How to not be wiped out completely

I included affiliate links into a shop of mine, pointing to amazon, yet so far I got no earnings from this even though people clicked on the affiliate links. Either they didn't buy or there is some mechanism that stripped my affiliate cookie from their machines before buying.

The reality is your content was probably bad and you couldn't convince people to buy the product. If you think it's as easy as throwing up some bland content and walking away you are delusional.

The market doesn't care how smart you think you are. If your product/service/content sucks - you won't sell anything.
 
You cant judge the affiliate offer / network by few clicks. Right now, there isnt much aff networks that cuts cookies, or didnt count you commisions. Try something different than Amazon.

If you are from Germany / Austria - you had big advantage because u know language + local market. With that, you are 2 steps ahead of other affiliates that target de / at market, and are foreigners.

Try different affiliate networks / offers/ traffic/ landings... make sure u spend enough time to test that. Don’t give up if u send 100 clicks and I didn’t see conversion.

IM is not easy, but once you figure out what’s working for you, u can bank.
 
This thread reminds me of my buddy. He's seen me make money online for the past few years and has been trying to start. So I keep telling him what to do, but he will not take advice easily. Almost gets offended when I try to teach him things. He has got his head in the clouds with fortune 500 ideas, and spends so much time planning but it's been 3 or 4 years now and he STILL can't even make a dollar. Wants to lecture me about lawyers and business psychology, it's really sad to see actually. Luckily he gets money from the govt.Meanwhile I've been providing a full time income online, using tried-and-true techniques learned at this forum.
 
This thread reminds me of my buddy. He's seen me make money online for the past few years and has been trying to start. So I keep telling him what to do, but he will not take advice easily. Almost gets offended when I try to teach him things. He has got his head in the clouds with fortune 500 ideas, and spends so much time planning but it's been 3 or 4 years now and he STILL can't even make a dollar. Wants to lecture me about lawyers and business psychology, it's really sad to see actually. Luckily he gets money from the govt.Meanwhile I've been providing a full time income online, using tried-and-true techniques learned at this forum.

Some guy on benefits who hasn't made a dollar online lectures you about lawyers and business psychology. That's crazy.

When he's saying all this ask him how much money he's made, how many staff he's employed, how many businesses he's bought, and how many he's sold. When he replies with "none", tell him "well, shut the fuck up then. Your opinion means nothing, but if I need advice on how to get benefits, I'll ask you"
 
Plenty of guides down here. Swift through & feel free to invest your time.
 
People here gave you good tips, and you decided to piss on them. Problem is in you. Sooner you realize, sooner you can turn things around.
You have lost touch with reality. You have a belief system that is not tested against real world.
 
Every time I created something on the internet, it didn't take off.
Once I sold an item and then nothing happened.
With another endeavour I regularly post content and very rarely people buy.

I wonder what I need to do in general to keep a sustainable business.

To make the sales not die out but increase.

It seems like an endless trial and error and when you are totally off with your ideas, you can waste years with nothing going on.

Each project I created ended dead on delivery.

I tried keyword research, writing about topics people "should" care about based on searches, applied different methods from here(see my previous posts), yet it all seems pointless.

I always have the impression to be wasting my time and sometimes money.

I am so sick of yet again creating another website, putting my time in it for it to then again not be visited. I write about it on forums, either it gets banned as spam or people watch it once to never come back.

I see that also with my instagram posts. Rarely do people interact. But at least I see which posts are performing better.

It is just frustrating without a real guide or good ideas.

You should focus on getting customers, keyword research is good as marketing is about "who's trying to buy this product?" and not "how do i make people buy this?". That would mean learning how lead generation works, especially advanced lead generation.
Next thing you have to focus on, which is the most important, is manipulation. Manipulation/copywriting/persuasion is what makes people buy NOW, buy from you again in the future, not buy from your competitors (in case they can't buy right away) and buy at any price.

What type of business are you running? E-commerce?

With e-commerce businesses you need to know how Facebook Ads work, how retargeting works, you need to have your product delivered to influencers so that they can advertise it, you need to know how to create an affiliate program (so that you pay influencers less and allow them to become affiliates, which will result in a more extended period of time they will be promoting your product).
 
That should be what differentiates White Hat from Black Hat. White hat should be sustainable.

All internet marketing is the same, any method, affiliate, niche or product only lasts for a certain time, it will eventually come to an end.

while Whitehat lasts longer than blackhat, they both eventually come to an end. Look at the recent amazon rate cut. Doesn’t matter if your whitehat or blackhat, if your niche got hit by the cut, your taking a loss and have to determine if it’s worth it to keep going.
 
3 years is the minimum to find out business work. That's the deadline. You give you too early. A classic for me.
 
@nouveauriche
So you are talking about Keyword research to determine demand. How does lead generation come into play here?

I am quite good at copywriting. You are right, it matters.

I am running E-commerce.

The problem with FADS is that once you stop paying, the customers stop coming. I need to know first, where the bottlenecks in my websites are from a customer perspective. For this I need visitors. I can afford paying for visitors, but I need to know how to conclude good business decicions from their behaviours. How do you do that from analytics? Then retargeting etc. is the next step once you are sure, the foundation is stable.

IME influencers do not reply to my avances.

Where would you create an affiliate program?
 
@nouveauriche
So you are talking about Keyword research to determine demand. How does lead generation come into play here?

I am quite good at copywriting. You are right, it matters.

I am running E-commerce.

The problem with FADS is that once you stop paying, the customers stop coming. I need to know first, where the bottlenecks in my websites are from a customer perspective. For this I need visitors. I can afford paying for visitors, but I need to know how to conclude good business decicions from their behaviours. How do you do that from analytics? Then retargeting etc. is the next step once you are sure, the foundation is stable.

IME influencers do not reply to my avances.

Where would you create an affiliate program?

I don't know much about e-commerce, at least when it comes to the technical stuff, maybe Shopify has an option to create an affiliate program, or you can eventually integrate some affiliate program service into it, i have no clue about how that is done on a technical level.

The thing with Fb Ads is that you need enough money to spend on testing first, e-commerce is a bit more complicated than let's say affiliate marketing, because with affiliate marketing you base your business on searching for stuff that's already selling, with e-commerce you have to deal with more stuff.

The type of ads you want to do vary so much depending on the type of product you sell, how expensive it is, how expensive it is compared to other products.

One thing you always need is a high margin on your product, and it's best to sell a 30$ product for 250$ rather than selling a 2$ product for 13$, cus that margin will allow you to scale your business more quickly and thus have more money than your competitors to spend on ads, meaning you'll be in people's feed more than your competitors. And also make sure you don't run out of money for ads, that's the catch.

If your product is very expensive you need an intense nurturing section in your marketing process, cus people don't buy expensive products right away, but that depends so much on the type of product. If the product is a mattress it would be best to start with lead generation campaigns and then do email follow-up, if you get sales then you can do retargeting for lead generation (meaning you target the audience that gives you your email, not the audience that buys the product) and still have your ad set to lead gen. You can then scale this up until your product is famous enough, at this point you can also add another ad set to "get sales", using your Pixel data to target people who bought the product.
If the product is something that requires less nurturing you might want to start with "get sales" right away, and maybe find a way to get people's email so that you can still send follow-up emails, that's a whole different strategy.
Like, you target buyers ("get sales" instead of lead generation) and then you use some manipulation technique to have them leave you their email in case they don't buy, if you set ads to lead generation Facebook will show the ad to people who are more prone to leave you their email, but not people who tend to click on an ad and buy right away.

The problem here is that you basically need a complete business strategy, an overall strategy, not just a perfect ad or a perfect website.

Marketing is all about the product, you start from the product and you reverse-create the marketing process down to the buyer.
Basically what you have to do is:

1) Find out what people are looking for
2) Find product that fulfils their need
3) Assess your budget ("does selling this product require a business structure i cannot afford?" - "can i sell this product having a high margin on sales?") meaning yes, you can make money selling toilet paper, some people do, but how expensive is it to start a toilet paper business?
4) Know who your ideal customer is
5) Pick a price (based on your ideal customer's budget, but also your margin need)
6) Copywriting to justify the price (based on your ideal customer's demographics), to destroy competitors and to create loyal customers
7) Where are your ideal customers? (Are they on Facebook? Are they on instagram? Are they on Google? Are they on YouTube? Are they not on the internet?)
8) Lead generation/Brand awareness/both (depending on product, price, ideal customers...)

See how all this is more of an overall thing rather than a step-by-step structure? Everything has to make sense with the rest of it, that's the complicated part in marketing, and this is a much simplified explanation, the thing with marketing is that every single business needs its very own strategy depending on so many things, you can start with something kinda "standard" but it's all about testing and testing anyway, having good knowledge before starting is what allows you to avoid wasting lots of money on testing so that you make as close to zero mistakes as possible, but at the end of the day it's all revolving around people, and you can only predict stuff to a certain extent, anything beyond that depends on how much data you gather, and you need to gather data, like a critical mass of leads/customers, before you have reliable data, cus the bigger the numbers, the more accurate the data.

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Oh and one more thing, when assessing your budget you also have to wonder if e-commerce is the right business for your budget, if it's not you might want to start with something else and then use that business to fund your e-commerce.
 
I don't know much about e-commerce, at least when it comes to the technical stuff, maybe Shopify has an option to create an affiliate program, or you can eventually integrate some affiliate program service into it, i have no clue about how that is done on a technical level.

The thing with Fb Ads is that you need enough money to spend on testing first, e-commerce is a bit more complicated than let's say affiliate marketing, because with affiliate marketing you base your business on searching for stuff that's already selling, with e-commerce you have to deal with more stuff.

The type of ads you want to do vary so much depending on the type of product you sell, how expensive it is, how expensive it is compared to other products.

One thing you always need is a high margin on your product, and it's best to sell a 30$ product for 250$ rather than selling a 2$ product for 13$, cus that margin will allow you to scale your business more quickly and thus have more money than your competitors to spend on ads, meaning you'll be in people's feed more than your competitors. And also make sure you don't run out of money for ads, that's the catch.

If your product is very expensive you need an intense nurturing section in your marketing process, cus people don't buy expensive products right away, but that depends so much on the type of product. If the product is a mattress it would be best to start with lead generation campaigns and then do email follow-up, if you get sales then you can do retargeting for lead generation (meaning you target the audience that gives you your email, not the audience that buys the product) and still have your ad set to lead gen. You can then scale this up until your product is famous enough, at this point you can also add another ad set to "get sales", using your Pixel data to target people who bought the product.
If the product is something that requires less nurturing you might want to start with "get sales" right away, and maybe find a way to get people's email so that you can still send follow-up emails, that's a whole different strategy.
Like, you target buyers ("get sales" instead of lead generation) and then you use some manipulation technique to have them leave you their email in case they don't buy, if you set ads to lead generation Facebook will show the ad to people who are more prone to leave you their email, but not people who tend to click on an ad and buy right away.

The problem here is that you basically need a complete business strategy, an overall strategy, not just a perfect ad or a perfect website.

Marketing is all about the product, you start from the product and you reverse-create the marketing process down to the buyer.
Basically what you have to do is:

1) Find out what people are looking for
2) Find product that fulfils their need
3) Assess your budget ("does selling this product require a business structure i cannot afford?" - "can i sell this product having a high margin on sales?") meaning yes, you can make money selling toilet paper, some people do, but how expensive is it to start a toilet paper business?
4) Know who your ideal customer is
5) Pick a price (based on your ideal customer's budget, but also your margin need)
6) Copywriting to justify the price (based on your ideal customer's demographics), to destroy competitors and to create loyal customers
7) Where are your ideal customers? (Are they on Facebook? Are they on instagram? Are they on Google? Are they on YouTube? Are they not on the internet?)
8) Lead generation/Brand awareness/both (depending on product, price, ideal customers...)

See how all this is more of an overall thing rather than a step-by-step structure? Everything has to make sense with the rest of it, that's the complicated part in marketing, and this is a much simplified explanation, the thing with marketing is that every single business needs its very own strategy depending on so many things, you can start with something kinda "standard" but it's all about testing and testing anyway, having good knowledge before starting is what allows you to avoid wasting lots of money on testing so that you make as close to zero mistakes as possible, but at the end of the day it's all revolving around people, and you can only predict stuff to a certain extent, anything beyond that depends on how much data you gather, and you need to gather data, like a critical mass of leads/customers, before you have reliable data, cus the bigger the numbers, the more accurate the data.

EDIT:
Oh and one more thing, when assessing your budget you also have to wonder if e-commerce is the right business for your budget, if it's not you might want to start with something else and then use that business to fund your e-commerce.

This is a great reply, I couldn't go more in depth than this, sometimes I feel that with online marketing it is very easy to forget about some crucial common sense because it is online so you want to automate a system/method but lose the fact that behind the screen, there are REAL people who buy things, not robots, these people have emotions and it is important to try to put yourself the best that you can in your customer/viewer's shoes and not think in term of "tricks" to be smarter than your competitors and customers.

In the long term the best businesses are those that could create a brand, and they know really what their fan-base want. Always was, always will be. If you know what people coming to your site want, you will bank because you will offer them exactly this.
 
@nouveauriche
How do you do that from analytics?

Forgot to reply to the analytics part, that depends on so many things, cus depending on niche and products leads can be a lot more expensive. Gurus who sell 2k courses can end up paying 15$ for a lead, cus people are more skeptical and this results in a higher cost-per-lead.

Use this as a rule of thumb, you need at least 1% conversion rate from your leads, meaning 100 leads must result into 1 buyer. If you pay 2$ for a lead and have a 1% conversion rate that means your cost-per-buyer is 200$, and this means you need your margin to be way higher than 200$.

The combination of good targeting and good copywriting is what results in a higher conversion rate, but you need to test first.
 
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This is a great reply, I couldn't go more in depth than this, sometimes I feel that with online marketing it is very easy to forget about some crucial common sense because it is online so you want to automate a system/method but lose the fact that behind the screen, there are REAL people who buy things, not robots, these people have emotions and it is important to try to put yourself the best that you can in your customer/viewer's shoes and not think in term of "tricks" to be smarter than your competitors and customers.

In the long term the best businesses are those that could create a brand, and they know really what their fan-base want. Always was, always will be. If you know what people coming to your site want, you will bank because you will offer them exactly this.

Common sense is key, but it's a weird concept. Basically there is nothing more to reality than reality itself, so if you want to win at life all you need is to be objective (which is having common sense), like, everything's obvious when you know it.

If you think of Einstein figuring out relativity he didn't invent it, he just noticed it, it was already there, but it's freaking difficult to be that objective and have that much common sense, but this is more of a philosophical talk.
The thing is that there will always be a deeper level of understanding stuff, getting closer and closer to pure objectivity.

The only way to find out what's inside a black hole is to just look at it, but it's a huge mindfuck, feel me?
 
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Common sense is key, but it's a weird concept. Basically there is nothing more to reality than reality itself, so if you want to win at life all you need is to be objective (which is having common sense), like, everything's obvious when you know it.

If you think of Einstein figuring out relativity he didn't invent it, he just noticed it, it was already there, but it's freaking difficult to be that objective and have that much common sense, but this is more of a philosophical talk.
The thing is that there will always be a deeper level of understanding stuff, getting closer and closer to pure objectivity.

The only way to find out what's inside a black hole is to just look at it, but it's a huge mindfuck, feel me?

Feel you and love this post. Great exemple with Einstein. Good reminder that we can only know stuff in a certain depth and that we will never have a complete understand of the world, can be related to IM too, it's why fomo is so frustrating and why common sense is just as close as objective as we can get :)
 
Where would you create an affiliate program?

There was an expo called affiliate summit that I attended 2 times and they were great learning experience, here a link may be you can find something useful, https://www.affiliatesummit.com/blog and here a post about starting a an affiliate program https://www.crazyegg.com/blog/how-to-start-an-affiliate-program/ which I found useful too. Creating an Affiliate program was not much for me, at that time I didn't follow up or uploaded specials to the affiliates and kept tracking them ... looking back I would think I should have done much better by managing the whole program in a better way, back then I didn't have the experience I have now, so I thought they just have to sell and get their commission automatically, when in fact the whole program needed so much attention, uploading banners, discounts and tons of files on the products we were offering, it was a full time job.
Would it have been worth it if I did better? the answer is yes for few of the 100 products we were offering, not all products work, IMO the products should offer some great value that many other products will not be able to compete, the value can be the price or the functionality of the product itself.
 
Feel you and love this post. Great exemple with Einstein. Good reminder that we can only know stuff in a certain depth and that we will never have a complete understand of the world, can be related to IM too, it's why fomo is so frustrating and why common sense is just as close as objective as we can get :)
I think people should be taught "how to think" rather than "what to think", cus objectivity is not something you're naturally born with and can't change, some people are born thinking the right way, but you can definitely learn how to think. Chess is a great example, in chess there's only one best move (by default, one is the best, the other ones are good, all the way down to terrible moves), so basically every non-best move is a losing move, cus if your opponent always plays the best move you will slowly lose the game. But the thing is that the best move already is the best move before you play it, to find it you just need to be objective and look at the situation on the board, same exact mindfuck, you just have to look at the thing, but what's key is knowing what to look for, and this is why information/knowledge/experience is crucial. Chess teaches you a lot about this because of this principle and also teaches you to evaluate consequences after consequences after consequences, and also do it in reverse, which is what you have to do in business and marketing.
 
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