Should BHW allow more replies on a BST per 24 hours?

[mindmaster]

No need for that.

PM the people that ask questions on your thread.
And when you can reply, answer the question publicly as well.

Simple.

 

[Deleted member 855230]

... Stop trying to manipulate what I was saying. I've spent enough money on here to learn the rules and I continue to learn them as I go. No one was trying to sell out of the marketplace.



Ahh ok! Thanks for your input! Your opinion is respected!!

What does money have to do with interpretation of the emeules?

Do they change based on money sent?

Which rules no longer apply after $500 member level?

 

[Cloutsy]

No need for that.

PM the people that ask questions on your thread.
And when you can reply, answer the question publicly as well.

Simple.

This is a lot more time consuming. The point of the suggestion was to reduce those extra steps... As well as reduce common asked questions.

Also, this improves customer support and ensures clients the the seller cares about fast response, etc. There are a lot of sellers who dedicate their entire day to BHW... Implementing this feature would only benefit us and the question asker.

 

[Stavro]

... Stop trying to manipulate what I was saying. I've spent enough money on here to learn the rules and I continue to learn them as I go. No one was trying to sell out of the marketplace.

I posted a question that would easily lead to a seller having ten replies per page.

Instead, you replied with a direct reference to your service, and with a tone as though I were a potential customer.

I thought this thread was about the marketplace s a whole, not your service specifically. If you're asking for a personal exemption, perhaps that should be discussed with your account manager, rather than the community as a whole.

 

[MermaidMurder]

fk no. every bst already almost begs for 2 different replies in their threads. I've bought services recently and had that experience most the time. Not to mention the gaming of our current bst system that happens.

this would just make so bsts sit at the top of the forum most the day. If people want to buy something they will start 1st by looking for it.

 

[Deleted member 855230]

This is a lot more time consuming. The point of the suggestion was to reduce those extra steps... As well as reduce common asked questions.

Also, this improves customer support and ensures clients the the seller cares about fast response, etc. There are a lot of sellers who dedicate their entire day to BHW... Implementing this feature would only benefit us and the question asker.

There is zero reduction of time if you hit reply or start a conversation. What you are trying to get, is more exposure to your shitty reseller panel.

 

[Cloutsy]

I posted a question that would easily lead to a seller having ten replies per page.

Instead, you replied with a direct reference to your service, and with a tone as though I were a potential customer.

I thought this thread was about the marketplace s a whole, not your service specifically. If you're asking for a personal exemption, perhaps that should be discussed with your account manager, rather than the community as a whole.

You always take things to a completely different level. Yea, this thread is based on my BST. That is obvious I would of thought. With that being said, yes I would have to provide information supporting my problems and concerns. (Again, my thread about my problem). The thread was created in the suggestion forum to see if anyone else has a problem, not to try and manipulate people's minds. No one was trying to sell out of the marketplace, you just decided to take it there. Not sure why?

I was not giving you any tone of promotion. I clearly know the rules. I do not need your service nor want it. I would much rather leave the opportunity for other people who play the game correctly to be apart of their journey. Not yours. If you do not have anything relevant to say anymore on the thread, just stop responding.

 

[Stavro]

You always take things to a completely different level. Yea, this thread is based on my BST. That is obvious I would of thought.

I thought that you were discussing the marketplace as a whole, not asking for personal exemptions. Again, you have an account manager for that, it shouldn't be a vote.

If you do not have anything relevant to say anymore on the thread, just stop responding.

If you felt my comments were irrelevant, why did you 'like' all of my posts in this thread? Does the relevance of my comments change depending on whether I'm a potential customer or not?

If you feel I'm derailing the thread, please report my posts to a mod and ask for them to be removed. But since YOU brought up the subject of your own BST, I feel it's a fair topic of discussion.

 

[mindmaster]

This is a lot more time consuming. The point of the suggestion was to reduce those extra steps... As well as reduce common asked questions.

Also, this improves customer support and ensures clients the the seller cares about fast response, etc. There are a lot of sellers who dedicate their entire day to BHW... Implementing this feature would only benefit us and the question asker.

Sure. Maybe it takes a few minutes. But once you reply on PM, that answer you can copy/paste on thread.

Plus, I don't see how the client doesn't sees you care since you PM them directly.

 

[MermaidMurder]

Sure. Maybe it takes a few minutes. But once you reply on PM, that answer you can copy/paste on thread.

Plus, I don't see how the client doesn't sees you care since you PM them directly.

better not ever take what I say in a PM and post it in a thread unless Im shit listed... like fr

 

[roman375]

No.

By that suggestion, if you get 15 questions asked over a 24 hour period, you'd want to make 15 replies?

All that would encourage is fake accounts being used to ask questions, thus bumping BST threads.

How is this different than the current rampant use of fake accounts to post fake reviews and order confirmations, especially by one particular vendor that everyone knows about.

No hard feelings at all, any accounts like that please feel free to report them and tell us the reasoning so staff can look into these.

I've reported multiple instances of blatant fake account usage by this vendor (different users posting identical transaction IDs in the same thread, fake accounts messing up their bump making it blatantly obvious its not genuine, vendor photoshopping ranking results to erase negative movement and only show positive) and yet nothing was done, not even an infraction.

There was even a thread in the lounge or black hat SEO section some time ago, can't remember, where a user accidentally created a thread to confirm an order he was meant to post in the vendor's thread and when called out he admitted to being hired by the vendor to bump his thread. What was the result? Thread closed for a few days for an "investigation" and then reopened later with no repercussions. How much more evidence is needed?

 

[Deleted member 855230]

How is this different than the current rampant use of fake accounts to post fake reviews and order confirmations, especially by one particular vendor that everyone knows about.



I've reported multiple instances of blatant fake account usage by this vendor (different users posting identical transaction IDs in the same thread, fake accounts messing up their bump making it blatantly obvious its not genuine, vendor photoshopping ranking results to erase negative movement and only show positive) and yet nothing was done, not even an infraction.

There was even a thread in the lounge or black hat SEO section some time ago, can't remember, where a user accidentally created a thread to confirm an order he was meant to post in the vendor's thread and when called out he admitted to being hired by the vendor to bump his thread. What was the result? Thread closed for a few days for an "investigation" and then reopened later with no repercussions. How much more evidence is needed?

Can’t see any infractions from behind the piles of cash he’s feeding the staff.

 

[roman375]

Can’t see any infractions from behind the piles of cash he’s feeding the staff.

I hope that is not the case for the lack of action. There are plenty of vendors spending huge sums of money per year on BHW's advertising options, ourselves included. Cleaning up the marketplace from these practices would only improve the retention rate and growth of users on the forum, allowing legitimate vendors to scale up their advertising budgets on BHW subsequently. It's a win-win for everyone involved, except those currently skirting the rules.

 

[SocialManager]

I see so many people saying "just PM them" and that's not an ideal solution at all.

1) more content on indexed pages (marketplace threads) means more traffic for sellers and more traffic for BlackHatWorld.
2) lots of users have the same questions and lots of people don't have accounts. Most people will not sign up to ask a question, they will just leave if they don't see the answer. But, if they see the answer, and they want to buy the service, they will be more likely to sign up (if it's needed to buy the service).
3) Transparency is good for everyone.
4) We already have fake accounts bumping threads every day, I don't see how this would increase fake accounts. The proper solution for that is to tackle the underlying problem of fake accounts, not limit useful features.
5) I will support SMMnet just to make the trolls angry.

 

[BbHhWwVM]

I see so many people saying "just PM them" and that's not an ideal solution at all.

1) more content on indexed pages (marketplace threads) means more traffic for sellers and more traffic for BlackHatWorld.
2) lots of users have the same questions and lots of people don't have accounts. Most people will not sign up to ask a question, they will just leave if they don't see the answer. But, if they see the answer, and they want to buy the service, they will be more likely to sign up (if it's needed to buy the service).
3) Transparency is good for everyone.
4) We already have fake accounts bumping threads every day, I don't see how this would increase fake accounts. The proper solution for that is to tackle the underlying problem of fake accounts, not limit useful features.
5) I will support SMMnet just to make the trolls angry.

1) Nope. This means less bumps, less exposure, less traffic for sellers & BHW.
2) A user who is interested to buy something will create an account or contact seller via Skype etc.
(under every BST there is at least some history to be seen, which is enough for the buyer to make a decision)
3) Transparency is already there, lol. You ask Q and get an A.
4) It would not increase nothing in all scenarios, because you can always create a fake account. (lol)
5) You beat all trolls with your statements.

 

[Sherb]

Before I say my peace @SMMnet:

1) I am a former and future seller on BHW, so my response should apply.
2) I read your post several times, as well as all of your responses.
3) I don't care who started a thread, you don't tell me what the fuck to do, kid.
4) Someone's status on the forum should not play into whether or not their opinion matters.

I support the idea of having the second post of a BST thread to belong to the sales thread owner, allowing them permanent editing privileges in an FAQ format. I think the option for thread bumping should be increased to 48 hours. That "review copy please" posts should be bannable for everyone. That "PM sent", "order placed" and discount code related posts should also be considered spam and bannable.

There is NO reason that buyers should have to sift through pages upon pages of repetitive garbage on threads to get to the actual reviews of the product. The only posts that should be on a sales thread are legitimate questions, which can be responded to inside that second post FAQ, notices of changes to the service offering from the sales thread owner, and reviews from verified purchasers of the service, at a minimum of 100 words.

The Marketplace has gotten to the point where spamming is the only way to truly gain success unless you are willing to pay out the ass for a sticky thread. Even then, some sections have 15+ sticky threads that have their own internal bumping fights. "But you didn't read the thread, it said no bumping!" I don't give a fuck. You are one of the worst thread bumpers I have seen in my decade-plus viewership here.

I as a buyer don't want to sift through thousands of repetitive spam posts to get to what I want to see. Things like what you are mentioning @SMMnet would provide no benefit to the community, but would instead only serve to continue increasing the exposure of your own service, which you have alluded is the point of all of this.

4/5ths of the people who have voted in your poll have voted against your idea. But I'm sure you don't care, as you only want things that serve to progress your own brand's agenda, regardless of the voice of the community. We have had an extensive chat. I took the time to give you numerous suggestions. You ignored them all. You'll probably ignore this too.

 

[SocialManager]

1) Nope. This means less bumps, less exposure, less traffic for sellers & BHW.
2) A user who is interested to buy something will create an account or contact seller via Skype etc.
(under every BST there is at least some history to be seen, which is enough for the buyer to make a decision)
3) Transparency is already there, lol. You ask Q and get an A.
4) It would not increase nothing in all scenarios, because you can always create a fake account. (lol)
5) You beat all trolls with your statements.

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What you are saying isn't based on logic, you are just making stuff up.

It will NOT mean less bumps. The seller can still do the same amount of bumps every 24 hour period. It's an OPTION to not bump the thread when replying. How would it result in less traffic to BHW and the thread? It wouldn't. You are just lying.

If you think users will create an account to get more basic information they can't find, then post in the thread, then wait for a seller to PM them, you are absolutely insane. There is 50 other results on Google and 50 other similar sales threads. They will just look somewhere else and MAYBE come back to you if they can't find an answer. Have you ever sold anything ever? Under your logic, websites should have like a 100% contact or sales rate when people click their Google ads.

What people are saying is that people should answer questions via Private Message. How is that transparent? All answers to questions should be public. That is what transparency is. Like, you aren't even trying here. Do you know what transparent means?

The rest of your post doesn't even make sense. I know I beat all the trolls.

4/5ths of the people who have voted in your poll have voted against your idea. But I'm sure you don't care, as you only want things that serve to progress your own brand's agenda, regardless of the voice of the community. We have had an extensive chat. I took the time to give you numerous suggestions. You ignored them all. You'll probably ignore this too.

The votes are irrelevant because lots of people will vote against SMMnet simply because they don't like him. He could ask if BHW should give every user $50,000 salary and people will vote no.

 

[Cloutsy]

Before I say my peace @SMMnet:

1) I am a former and future seller on BHW, so my response should apply.
2) I read your post several times, as well as all of your responses.
3) I don't care who started a thread, you don't tell me what the fuck to do, kid.
4) Someone's status on the forum should not play into whether or not their opinion matters.

I support the idea of having the second post of a BST thread to belong to the sales thread owner, allowing them permanent editing privileges in an FAQ format. I think the option for thread bumping should be increased to 48 hours. That "review copy please" posts should be bannable for everyone. That "PM sent", "order placed" and discount code related posts should also be considered spam and bannable.

There is NO reason that buyers should have to sift through pages upon pages of repetitive garbage on threads to get to the actual reviews of the product. The only posts that should be on a sales thread are legitimate questions, which can be responded to inside that second post FAQ, notices of changes to the service offering from the sales thread owner, and reviews from verified purchasers of the service, at a minimum of 100 words.

The Marketplace has gotten to the point where spamming is the only way to truly gain success unless you are willing to pay out the ass for a sticky thread. Even then, some sections have 15+ sticky threads that have their own internal bumping fights. "But you didn't read the thread, it said no bumping!" I don't give a fuck. You are one of the worst thread bumpers I have seen in my decade-plus viewership here.

I as a buyer don't want to sift through thousands of repetitive spam posts to get to what I want to see. Things like what you are mentioning @SMMnet would provide no benefit to the community, but would instead only serve to continue increasing the exposure of your own service, which you have alluded is the point of all of this.

4/5ths of the people who have voted in your poll have voted against your idea. But I'm sure you don't care, as you only want things that serve to progress your own brand's agenda, regardless of the voice of the community. We have had an extensive chat. I took the time to give you numerous suggestions. You ignored them all. You'll probably ignore this too.

Yes, I will be ignoring this one too! Kid.

EDIT: The way you talk to people is just so unprofessional and rude. I hope you can change how you present yourself to others, you seem like a very intelligent person.. But wow you are very unprofessional and do not care about anyone els's image but your own. Thread isn't made to bask anyone. Just a suggestion. I expected a more respectful response from you considering you emailed back and forth with me discussing our own personal objectives while trying to build a nice business relationship with one another, then you write terrible things about me? Your not an honest person.

You always have to write out your answers very long and always attack someone. Stop being like that..

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What you are saying isn't based on logic, you are just making stuff up.

It will NOT mean less bumps. The seller can still do the same amount of bumps every 24 hour period. It's an OPTION to not bump the thread when replying. How would it result in less traffic to BHW and the thread? It wouldn't. You are just lying.

If you think users will create an account to get more basic information they can't find, then post in the thread, then wait for a seller to PM them, you are absolutely insane. There is 50 other results on Google and 50 other similar sales threads. They will just look somewhere else and MAYBE come back to you if they can't find an answer. Have you ever sold anything ever? Under your logic, websites should have like a 100% contact or sales rate when people click their Google ads.

What people are saying is that people should answer questions via Private Message. How is that transparent? All answers to questions should be public. That is what transparency is. Like, you aren't even trying here. Do you know what transparent means?

The rest of your post doesn't even make sense. I know I beat all the trolls.



The votes are irrelevant because lots of people will vote against SMMnet simply because they don't like him. He could ask if BHW should give every user $50,000 salary and people will vote no.

I agree, thanks for your input!

 

[proxygo]

dont worry about sherb, hes like fungus , he grows on you eventually
ive had same with him, polite in pm, and sometimes OTT on the forum
just how he rolls.

 

[Cloutsy]

dont worry about sherb, hes like fungus , he grows on you eventually
ive had same with him, polite in pm, and sometimes OTT on the forum
just how he rolls.

Thanks for the tip! I actually thought we were fine since we were privately emailing back and forth. But if he wants to pretend he is someone else on BHW, by all means! I want no part of that.

I just wish it wasn't always an attack response from him.