Should BHW allow more replies on a BST per 24 hours?

I found what you can't understand, the whole time.

That this option is disabling BUMPING.
You wrote a text message without a BUMP.

That is an issue by itself. There you go. You can't figure it out.

BbHhWwVM said:

As a buyer, you come to thread, ask Q and mark box to not bump thread with your post and let the seller respond. Or no matter what process correctly is... it is fucking similar and still disabling BUMP LOL.

How about just using DM/PM? Or ask to be PM'ed if no 15 posts.
Anybody can reply back when he is being PM'ed.

It is bad because you are disabling other services, such: PM and normal Thread reply system.

"The system doesn't work perfect. Already sellers have to wait 24 hours to post a reply. New users will just get bored and will not check back for replies. Buyers want INSTANT responses, and if we are already answering the question, we might as well answer publicly rather than in Private Message. Sure, seller can PM user, but why PM when we can have an option to reply publicly?"

The seller can respond via PM providing his other contacts, he is allowed to do so, means you are LYING.
If user gets bored, it probably means that service is promising. User can do order without questions in many cases.

You can update FAQ with all new questions or make a fucking landing page of PM prints.

If users are not interested to read, then they are surely even less interested to buy something.
You constantly trying to force that part with what users want, you know nothing about that part.

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This option is for SELLERS to tick a box when REPLYING. Buyers can post in threads already more than one time every 24 hours. Buyer doesn't need to use this, only sellers need to use it to post urgent replies publicly rather than PMing users or waiting 24 hours to reply. I don't understand what your concern is. You are not making any sense. I am trying really hard to understand you. Why are you MAD about disabling bump? That's a good thing.

I already explained why not to use DM/PM. Because there is more transparency when answers are posted publicly. Multiple people could have the same question, and would like to see the answer. When a buyer posts a question, the thread is at the top of the forum. That means more people will check out your thread. But then they check, and there is no answer to the question.

You are NOT disabling other services. You can still PM if you want. You are still using the normal thread reply system, with an option to not BUMP. You are not giving an explanation of why that's bad. If you want to have a private answer, you can ask the buyer to PM you. No problem. If you want transparency, it's better to get an answer publicly. Lots of shady things happen in PM system. When answers are public, it's better for everyone.

Just because a buyer gets bored doesn't mean he wasn't a serious buyer. If I need to buy Facebook likes, I can find 50 sellers. None of them are special to me. I will just close my eyes and pick a random one. If I check a thread and see lots of good questions and no replies from seller, I will usually choose a different service because so many unanswered questions. Of course seller can reply publicly after 24 hours, but then they are doing 2x the work: Reply in PM and reply publicly.

Seriously man, I wont continue repeating myself with you.

You haven't give any reason why this is a bad idea. The responses you give are showing you either don't understand the proposal, or don't understand how the forum works with the current rules.

BbHhWwVM said:

I found what you can't understand, the whole time.

That this option is disabling BUMPING.
You wrote a text message without a BUMP.

That is an issue by itself. There you go. You can't figure it out.

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This really doesn't make any sense man. I am trying so hard to understand what you are saying, but it doesn't make sense.

This option only disables BUMPING for 1 reply from the SELLER. EVERY other reply is normal. The seller can still bump normal. It's just 1 reply disables bumping.

I see that it doesn't make sense for you.
Just stop it. I had it enough as well.

SocialManager said:

This option is for SELLERS to tick a box when REPLYING.

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And what happens when a small percentage of the sellers on here "accidentally" forget to tick the box. More work for the mods cleaning up, warning points, mods getting PM's saying

"Sorry Mr mod, new system confusing, please remove warning points"

Great for sellers, very little benefit for buyers and an absolute nightmare for the moderators.

I also suspect certain sellers may even try to take advantage of a few hours at the top of the listing when the mods are not active.

Forget to tick the box, leave for 2-3 hours, report post to staff "I forgot to tick the box, please remove thread bump for me please. Thank you sir"

sturose said:

And what happens when a small percentage of the sellers on here "accidentally" forget to tick the box. More work for the mods cleaning up, warning points, mods getting PM's saying

"Sorry Mr mod, new system confusing, please remove warning points"

Great for sellers, very little benefit for buyers and an absolute nightmare for the moderators.

I also suspect certain sellers may even try to take advantage of a few hours at the top of the listing when the mods are not active.

Forget to tick the box, leave for 2-3 hours, report post to staff "I forgot to tick the box, please remove thread bump for me please. Thank you sir"

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No different from now. Sellers get a warning if they post within 24 hours, can have their thread removed or a ban if they abuse it. It's their own responsibility. If they can't handle the responsibility of ticking a box, they shouldn't be using the feature or having a sales thread. The other option is to make it the DEFAULT option for sellers posting in their own thread. Easy solution. Little benefit for buyers? Getting public responses right away? Having more answers to questions you are afraid to ask or didn't think of? I think it's a big benefit.

BbHhWwVM said:

It is just too long.

"Give ONE reason why it's BAD to allow seller to have an option to reply without bumping thread."

Man, I understand, LOL:
As a buyer, you come to thread, ask Q and mark box to not bump thread with your post and let the seller respond. Or no matter what process correctly is... it is fucking similar and still disabling BUMP LOL.

How about just using DM/PM? Or ask to be PM'ed if no 15 posts.
Anybody can reply back when he is being PM'ed.

It is bad because you are disabling other services, such: PM and normal Thread reply system.

"The system doesn't work perfect. Already sellers have to wait 24 hours to post a reply. New users will just get bored and will not check back for replies. Buyers want INSTANT responses, and if we are already answering the question, we might as well answer publicly rather than in Private Message. Sure, seller can PM user, but why PM when we can have an option to reply publicly?"

The seller can respond via PM providing his other contacts, he is allowed to do so, means you are LYING.
If user gets bored, it probably means that service is promising. User can do order without questions in many cases.

You can update FAQ with all new questions or make a fucking landing page of PM prints.

If users are not interested to read, then they are surely even less interested to buy something.
You constantly trying to force that part with what users want, you know nothing about that part.

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I would suggest you just put SocialManager on ignore. The guy is nothing but a troll and 100% here to waste everyone's time arguing over semantics. It will make your life so much better once you've blocked him.

SocialManager said:

Little benefit for buyers? Getting public responses right away? Having more answers to questions you are afraid to ask or didn't think of? I think it's a big benefit.

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I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree here. just as easy to PM then quote the PM reply on the thread next time the seller is allowed to post.

This whole idea will still cause a headache for the mods, at least initially it will. Having the tick box checked by default won't stop the problem because then sellers will be PMing mods because they forgot to untick the box.

If it ain't broke...............

SocialManager said:

Most of the people who are voting against it have proven they do not understand how it would work or why it is useful with their replies.

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So you are suggesting that nearly 80% of the people who voted simply don't have a clue??

sturose said:

I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree here. just as easy to PM then quote the PM reply on the thread next time the seller is allowed to post.

This whole idea will still cause a headache for the mods, at least initially it will. Having the tick box checked by default won't stop the problem because then sellers will be PMing mods because they forgot to untick the box.

If it ain't broke...............

So you are suggesting that nearly 80% of the people who voted simply don't have a clue??

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So, just to be clear: You think doing more than twice the amount of work, is just as easy as doing less than half the amount of work? I am not sure I follow that. Current system you would need to open the Start a Conversation link, type in a subject, type in a message, send, copy the message, save to text file, remember to post reply after 24 hours expired. New system: Hit reply and type answer. One of those does seem a lot easier to me personally.

There is NO reason for sellers to PM mods. You are showing you don't understand how the forum works. If they forget to untick the box, they can just either 1) Delete the post and re-post it, or 2) Post another reply because they are allowed to bump every 24 hours. Please, continue to come up with reasons why this isn't a good idea, and I am happy to come up with solutions for all of your concerns.

I don't personally need a system like this at this time, but I don't like the inherent negativity towards it, with so many people not thinking logically before they post their replies. Yes, I am saying that at least 80% of the people who voted either did so because they don't have a clue, hate SMMnet, aren't capable of logical thought, simply don't understand it, and/or a combination of those things.

Prove me wrong. Come up with NEGATIVE aspects of this proposal. So far, I have explained why all of the negative aspects you guys are suggesting don't make sense, and clearly explained the positive aspects.

SocialManager said:

Prove me wrong. Come up with NEGATIVE aspects of this proposal. So far, I have explained why all of the negative aspects you guys are suggesting don't make sense, and clearly explained the positive aspects.

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You never addressed my remarks on cluttering up the thread and drowning out useful reviews and questions.

Stavro said:

You never addressed my remarks on cluttering up the thread and drowning out useful reviews and questions.

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I didn't review the full thread, sorry. That one seems easy to address though: You are wrong about the current state of sales threads. Simple as that.

Replies are currently unlimited by buyers/potential buyers. I can open most any random thread, and 90% of the replies are from people looking for free credit, free trial, sample, or "order placed." I already have to go through literally 40+ pages in some threads to find maybe 3 reviews and 5 questions and answers.

Your concern is better addressed through rule changes to the current rules, or something similar. This will hardly exacerbate the already existing issue. It's already against the rules to post short useless comments as far as I am aware, but maybe not in the Marketplace. What you are describing is flat out spam. If Marketplace sellers are spamming, they should be warned, and then banned. This is a system that will be used for answering real questions/concerns, not "thanks for the order."

This system doesn't REQUIRE back and forth take place within the thread. If clarification is required before providing an accurate answer, it can still be done via PM. It's no different from the current system. The current system doesn't REQUIRE back and forth to take place in PM. Sellers can already quote a question and ask for clarification in the thread.

So, how much more "clutter" can we expect really? I wouldn't expect more than 10% more "clutter" from the current system unless sellers are intentionally abusing it to try to bait other people into bumping their threads. If we don't trust sellers not to abuse systems, then those sellers shouldn't have sales threads. They clearly care more about money than honest selling practices, and that's not something that should be supported here in my opinion.

SocialManager said:

So, just to be clear: You think doing more than twice the amount of work, is just as easy as doing less than half the amount of work? I am not sure I follow that. Current system you would need to open the Start a Conversation link, type in a subject, type in a message, send, copy the message, save to text file, remember to post reply after 24 hours expired. New system: Hit reply and type answer. One of those does seem a lot easier to me personally.

There is NO reason for sellers to PM mods. You are showing you don't understand how the forum works. If they forget to untick the box, they can just either 1) Delete the post and re-post it, or 2) Post another reply because they are allowed to bump every 24 hours. Please, continue to come up with reasons why this isn't a good idea, and I am happy to come up with solutions for all of your concerns.

I don't personally need a system like this at this time, but I don't like the inherent negativity towards it, with so many people not thinking logically before they post their replies. Yes, I am saying that at least 80% of the people who voted either did so because they don't have a clue, hate SMMnet, aren't capable of logical thought, simply don't understand it, and/or a combination of those things.

Prove me wrong. Come up with NEGATIVE aspects of this proposal. So far, I have explained why all of the negative aspects you guys are suggesting don't make sense, and clearly explained the positive aspects.

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Are you and the OP the same guy?

PHPInjected said:

Are you and the OP the same guy?

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Are you and OP the same guy? I am a Canadian, I believe OP is American. We don't write in even remotely similar ways. I am advertising a porn CPA network in my banner, and much of my posts are about porn. So, why would you ask such a question? It's not relevant to the thread discussion. If you have some concerns about me, you can PM me, and I will probably ignore it. This isn't the place for it though. If you have concerns about the thread topic, that's what this thread is for.

I'm closing this for now as it's gone totally off course.
We've had members trolling and some of these comments more recently are nothing short of bickering.