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How many times should I link from a PBN?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by tiiberius, Oct 10, 2019.

  1. SuperSonicProxy

    SuperSonicProxy Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Thanks for sharing. This is a good explanation and guideline. Appreciate your effort for putting all this information.
     
  2. 710fla

    710fla Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Finally a clear answer, always see this question and used to think about this a lot
     
  3. GreenGrass2019

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    Dumb question, does pbn here refer to guest posting and backlinking?
     
  4. tiiberius

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    Yes, I do but not Wikipedia.

    Locate other popular authority websites related to your niche that are not direct competition for your keywords.

    Interesting.

    Never done that myself but I think it might be effective since engines treat sub-domains as separate domains.

    As long as sub-domain itself has direct backlinks. It doesn't get almost any benefit from the root.

    Glad you found it useful :)

    Yep! Those are very popular mess ups.

    Glad you like it.

    Same here. Flag is definitely a possibility in that scenario.

    Thank you too.

    I'm not that optimistic but now I can simply send them here :)

    You make me blush :rolleyes:

    Might come in handy if someone asks. (someone always does)

    Glad you like it.

    It is similar but site-wide links get completely different treatment.

    From what I saw, they are much less valuable than contextual even if you reduce it to one.

    Yes, I would ideally transform it to Scenario #1. Making it contextual.

    I'm glad you find it useful.

    Build a few, quality, strong ones instead of an army of weaklings. Send a few keyword rich anchor text from them.

    That worked for me the most.

    This is quite off-topic.

    I'm not using automated software anymore so can't help you anyway.

    This has been happening since the begging of PBNs in one way or another :)

    They are still live and kicking.
     
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  5. GregFromMoonsy

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    Google have one dedicated algorithm to detect all kind of link wheels.
    I wrote same algorithm based on documentation from Google patent where this algorithm was explained.

    It allow to find just 5 interconnected domains between even 1 million linking domains under 1 second.
    But some people still thinking that is impossible.

    Cheers, Greg.
     
  6. Matheus Moreira

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    Actually this is very debatable. I suggest you read this article and specially the other article that is linked inside:

    https://medium.com/@ashwanifotedar/...-implications-for-all-businesses-1c5d2b1c3ee4
    https://medium.com/@loish/how-a-roc...gles-algorithm-and-make-millions-79cea205453e

    Subdomains can inherit authority from the root site, otherwise there wouldnt exist so many coupons' sites as subdomains of other authority (although unrelated) sites.

    Other approach would be create the sites as subfolders of the pbn, for example:

    pbn.com/site1 -> moneysite.com/post-1
    pbn.com/site2 -> moneysite.com/post-2

    That way I think the site as as subfolder would inherit more authority from the root site. Whats your opinion on this?
     
  7. HenryHavoc

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    Awesome write up, thanks for the contribution
     
  8. yggitteam

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    can i apply #1 but with web 2.0?
    or must a PB?
     
  9. tiiberius

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    It refers to Private/Public Blog Network.

    Interesting.

    I always regretted not being a programmer and be able to do these things.

    How much competing power does this take? Or it is surprisingly simple?

    I checked the sub-domain discountcode.dailymail.co.uk mentioned in one medium article. It has quite a few direct links itself.

    Also, root actually links to it (from the whole site) so juice is passed that way:

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    Sub-folder would definitely inherit authority of the root.

    What you described is simply a scenario #5.

    Yes, you can. Sub-domain (web 2.0 root) becomes the homepage in this case.

    Example:
    web20.blogspot.com -> moneyste.com
     
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  10. yggitteam

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    do i need to create (X * N) web2.0 for each post in my money site?
    (X = Post i create in as backlink)
    (N = Web 2.0 Kind ex: blogger, wp, etc)

    so if i have 10 different post, do i need to create (1 * 5) * 10 different post web 2.0?
     
  11. fatbusybee

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    great guide mate...this is very timely indeed
     
  12. fatbusybee

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    please can you explain why you shouldnt link to a wikipedia?
     
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  13. GregFromMoonsy

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    I've been also suprised how much it's simple.
    Even with my very very simple reconstruction of this algorithm - it was able to detect 5 interconnected domains under 1 second in base of 1B links.
    I 've tested it on single server with 2x16 core procesors + NVME disks + 192GB RAM.

    I don't know how many servers Google use currently for search engine purpose, but in 2010 it was ~100K in total.
    So, let's think how many time they need in reality to detect such kind of links with such resources, even when their BL database is hundreds times bigger.

    Programming skills together with the SEO skills are incredible valuable together, because you can create near everything what you need.
    I've been first the programmer and 10 years later in 2004 I've discovered the SEO.

    It was changed my life forever.

    Cheers, Greg.
     
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  14. PeterPerseo

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    For "interconnected" do you mean ***SITEA links to SITEB*** and ***SITEB links to SITEA***?
    If yes, it's not a problem since usually the best PBNs have only one way link to money sites, just like in the "real" interconnected websites
     
  15. Clayton J

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    If you have a blog style PBN, it can be beneficial to continually post on the same PBN. Links on homepage are the best. Linking to the same site multiple times on the same PBN can provide some "extra" value.
     
  16. GregFromMoonsy

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    SiteA -> SiteB+ SiteB -> SiteC+ SiteC -> SiteD
    Even when SiteD not linking to SiteA not changing nothing.

    And of course all of sites linking to money site.
    Typical link wheel which worked in 2012 very well and was great way to distribute OLD PageRank.

    Cheers, Greg.
     
  17. PeterPerseo

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    Yes, exactly what I was thinking. It's a LINK WHEEL, just another strategy well different of PBNs. The PBN explained on the OP are not link wheels.
    I think nowadays nobody still use link wheels, it's clear that they leave an huge footprint for google.
     
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    Are you suggesting that this is how one should set up their backlinking infrastructure?

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  19. GregFromMoonsy

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    No, it was good in 2012.

    Currently Google use algorithm which is able to pretty quickly detect all interlinked sites.
    In result - they will run another set of algorithms which will find another connections between such sites, for example whois, IP and many more patterns.

    Cheers. Greg.
     
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  20. GreenGrass2019

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    Is it possible to use the same method for guest posting and backlinking?