How many times should I link from a PBN?

KenWalker said:

Would you suggest PBN----> Authority Site ?

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Ghost Guy said:

Do you recommend an outbound link to authority site.?

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Yes, I do but not Wikipedia.

Locate other popular authority websites related to your niche that are not direct competition for your keywords.

Matheus Moreira said:

Great explanation, thank you very much! Whats your opinion on creating subdomains on the PBN site to link to multiple pages of the same site (or different sites)?

Example:

sub1.pbn.com --> moneysite.com/post-1
sub2.pbn.com --> moneysite.com/post-2

sub3.pbn.com --> other-moneysite.com/some-post

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Interesting.

Never done that myself but I think it might be effective since engines treat sub-domains as separate domains.

As long as sub-domain itself has direct backlinks. It doesn't get almost any benefit from the root.

Mr Positive said:

This is a gold guide on pbns, I have personally seen people do 3 & 4 and then cursing pbns, now I know how to guide them thanks.

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Glad you found it useful

Yep! Those are very popular mess ups.

trackshack64 said:

Always enjoy your stuff mate, thanks for this!

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Glad you like it.

Purush said:

great guide. personally I would say, go slow and steady. diversify your links. same site referring multiple link to money site would create a flag.

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Same here. Flag is definitely a possibility in that scenario.

Sudarshan Kar said:

Wow! What a clear, concise method of explanation. Don't think anyone else will ever ask you again, buddy

Thanks for taking time out to do this.

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Thank you too.

I'm not that optimistic but now I can simply send them here

TheVigilante said:

PBN guru of BHW

Never created a PBN myself but I will keep this thread bookmarked as it makes sense

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You make me blush

Might come in handy if someone asks. (someone always does)

fb3003 said:

@tiiberius - thanks for the great post.

in scenario 4: this is similar to you having a sidebar link, meaning it is on homepage and also on all inner pages. Since this is diminishing return, would you go back and fix the PBN so that you eliminate sidebar links and have it like scenario 1? or leave it alone

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Glad you like it.

It is similar but site-wide links get completely different treatment.

From what I saw, they are much less valuable than contextual even if you reduce it to one.

Yes, I would ideally transform it to Scenario #1. Making it contextual.

Katherine Anne said:

Super guide! But I'm still scared to use PBN on my site. Maybe sometime later.

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I'm glad you find it useful.

Build a few, quality, strong ones instead of an army of weaklings. Send a few keyword rich anchor text from them.

That worked for me the most.

yggitteam said:

Hello guru, i want to ask.
what if i buy for a blogroll?
is it like #4?

and then how to boost my PBN?

Current Strategy
MoneySite => PBN
=> Forum / Web 2.0 Profiles
=> bit.ly
=> Web 2.0 T1

PBN => Web 2.0 T2
=> Forum / Web 2.0 Profiles
=> bit.ly

Web 2.0 T1 => Web 2.0 T2

Web 2.0 T2 => Web 2.0 T3

program used GSA, RankerX

few people said to push my link shortener in GSA, i cant see why they do that.
for GSA i put link of my web 2.0 T2 and bit.ly url.

am i doing wrong?
any suggestion?

doing like this for 1 month, cant see any different.

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This is quite off-topic.

I'm not using automated software anymore so can't help you anyway.

Cshark said:

I do think it makes sense.However, with unnatural link building getting punished across the board, I don't think it's a sound SEO strategy.

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This has been happening since the begging of PBNs in one way or another

They are still live and kicking.

MisterF said:

I've seen this before too, people basically end up creating a link wheel almost, leaving a huge footprint.

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Google have one dedicated algorithm to detect all kind of link wheels.
I wrote same algorithm based on documentation from Google patent where this algorithm was explained.

It allow to find just 5 interconnected domains between even 1 million linking domains under 1 second.
But some people still thinking that is impossible.

Cheers, Greg.

tiiberius said:

Interesting.

Never done that myself but I think it might be effective since engines treat sub-domains as separate domains.

As long as sub-domain itself has direct backlinks. It doesn't get almost any benefit from the root.

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Actually this is very debatable. I suggest you read this article and specially the other article that is linked inside:

https://medium.com/@ashwanifotedar/...-implications-for-all-businesses-1c5d2b1c3ee4
https://medium.com/@loish/how-a-roc...gles-algorithm-and-make-millions-79cea205453e

Subdomains can inherit authority from the root site, otherwise there wouldnt exist so many coupons' sites as subdomains of other authority (although unrelated) sites.

Other approach would be create the sites as subfolders of the pbn, for example:

pbn.com/site1 -> moneysite.com/post-1
pbn.com/site2 -> moneysite.com/post-2

That way I think the site as as subfolder would inherit more authority from the root site. Whats your opinion on this?

can i apply #1 but with web 2.0?
or must a PB?

GreenGrass2019 said:

Dumb question, does pbn here refer to guest posting and backlinking?

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It refers to Private/Public Blog Network.

GregFromMoonsy said:

Google have one dedicated algorithm to detect all kind of link wheels.
I wrote same algorithm based on documentation from Google patent where this algorithm was explained.

It allow to find just 5 interconnected domains between even 1 million linking domains under 1 second.
But some people still thinking that is impossible.

Cheers, Greg.

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Interesting.

I always regretted not being a programmer and be able to do these things.

How much competing power does this take? Or it is surprisingly simple?

Matheus Moreira said:

Actually this is very debatable. I suggest you read this article and specially the other article that is linked inside:

https://medium.com/@ashwanifotedar/...-implications-for-all-businesses-1c5d2b1c3ee4
https://medium.com/@loish/how-a-roc...gles-algorithm-and-make-millions-79cea205453e

Subdomains can inherit authority from the root site, otherwise there wouldnt exist so many coupons' sites as subdomains of other authority (although unrelated) sites.

Other approach would be create the sites as subfolders of the pbn, for example:

pbn.com/site1 -> moneysite.com/post-1
pbn.com/site2 -> moneysite.com/post-2

That way I think the site as as subfolder would inherit more authority from the root site. Whats your opinion on this?

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I checked the sub-domain discountcode.dailymail.co.uk mentioned in one medium article. It has quite a few direct links itself.

Also, root actually links to it (from the whole site) so juice is passed that way:



Sub-folder would definitely inherit authority of the root.

What you described is simply a scenario #5.

yggitteam said:

can i apply #1 but with web 2.0?
or must a PB?

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Yes, you can. Sub-domain (web 2.0 root) becomes the homepage in this case.

Example:
web20.blogspot.com -> moneyste.com

do i need to create (X * N) web2.0 for each post in my money site?
(X = Post i create in as backlink)
(N = Web 2.0 Kind ex: blogger, wp, etc)

so if i have 10 different post, do i need to create (1 * 5) * 10 different post web 2.0?

please can you explain why you shouldnt link to a wikipedia?

tiiberius said:

I always regretted not being a programmer and be able to do these things.
How much competing power does this take? Or it is surprisingly simple?

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I've been also suprised how much it's simple.
Even with my very very simple reconstruction of this algorithm - it was able to detect 5 interconnected domains under 1 second in base of 1B links.
I 've tested it on single server with 2x16 core procesors + NVME disks + 192GB RAM.

I don't know how many servers Google use currently for search engine purpose, but in 2010 it was ~100K in total.
So, let's think how many time they need in reality to detect such kind of links with such resources, even when their BL database is hundreds times bigger.

Programming skills together with the SEO skills are incredible valuable together, because you can create near everything what you need.
I've been first the programmer and 10 years later in 2004 I've discovered the SEO.

It was changed my life forever.

Cheers, Greg.

GregFromMoonsy said:

... It allow to find just 5 interconnected domains between even 1 million linking domains under 1 second...

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For "interconnected" do you mean ***SITEA links to SITEB*** and ***SITEB links to SITEA***?
If yes, it's not a problem since usually the best PBNs have only one way link to money sites, just like in the "real" interconnected websites

If you have a blog style PBN, it can be beneficial to continually post on the same PBN. Links on homepage are the best. Linking to the same site multiple times on the same PBN can provide some "extra" value.

PeterPerseo said:

For "interconnected" do you mean ***SITEA links to SITEB*** and ***SITEB links to SITEA***?

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SiteA -> SiteB+ SiteB -> SiteC+ SiteC -> SiteD
Even when SiteD not linking to SiteA not changing nothing.

And of course all of sites linking to money site.
Typical link wheel which worked in 2012 very well and was great way to distribute OLD PageRank.

Cheers, Greg.

GregFromMoonsy said:

SiteA -> SiteB+ SiteB -> SiteC+ SiteC -> SiteD
.... Typical link wheel... .

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Yes, exactly what I was thinking. It's a LINK WHEEL, just another strategy well different of PBNs. The PBN explained on the OP are not link wheels.
I think nowadays nobody still use link wheels, it's clear that they leave an huge footprint for google.

GregFromMoonsy said:

SiteA -> SiteB+ SiteB -> SiteC+ SiteC -> SiteD
Even when SiteD not linking to SiteA not changing nothing.

And of course all of sites linking to money site.
Typical link wheel which worked in 2012 very well and was great way to distribute OLD PageRank.

Cheers, Greg.

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Are you suggesting that this is how one should set up their backlinking infrastructure?

@BassTrackerBoats

No, it was good in 2012.

Currently Google use algorithm which is able to pretty quickly detect all interlinked sites.
In result - they will run another set of algorithms which will find another connections between such sites, for example whois, IP and many more patterns.

Cheers. Greg.

tiiberius said:

It refers to Private/Public Blog Network.

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Is it possible to use the same method for guest posting and backlinking?

GregFromMoonsy said:

@BassTrackerBoats

No, it was good in 2012.

Currently Google use algorithm which is able to pretty quickly detect all interlinked sites.
In result - they will run another set of algorithms which will find another connections between such sites, for example whois, IP and many more patterns.

Cheers. Greg.

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Actually Google detected that in 2009 but the year is not important; the fact is that it is one of the worst SEO strategies in today's world.

Good old Lemonarian brought us the link wheel which made us a ton of money and when Google found it out we all had to reboot.

BassTrackerBoats said:

the fact is that it is one of the worst SEO strategies in today's world.
Good old Lemonarian brought us the link wheel which made us a ton of money and when Google found it out we all had to reboot.

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Yes, it's true - however still many people "doing" the SEO in this way.
The second worse strategy is build the "silo" with much more worse sites as each higher level.
Also often the tier 3 is the last - what not exists in real interlinked database.

And here expiring domains doing great job - because we have all tiers done and it's done very well.
The only bad thing, for expired domains (or deleted) is imposible to hide the footprint - domain registration date.
With many links from such domains - Google also know that somebody trying play the algo.

Cheers, Greg.

BassTrackerBoats said:

Actually Google detected that in 2009 but the year is not important; the fact is that it is one of the worst SEO strategies in today's world.

Good old Lemonarian brought us the link wheel which made us a ton of money and when Google found it out we all had to reboot.

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Ah, the good old easy-to-rank days.

ContentExpert said:

Ah, the good old easy-to-rank days.

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The nice thing about Google catching that is I made unreasonable money after it was caught by providing a service that was automated and undid all that damage from the link wheel days.

ContentExpert said:

Ah, the good old easy-to-rank days.

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For sure you remember that all changes with new links was visible very quick.
That was great time to many tests - for which today months are needed.

When any page was penalized in that time - PageRank was reseted.
Today the only signal we have - it's search engine visibility, however I was learned how to use it in proper way.

In that time I was created many PBN sites for one of largest link exchange network.
Pretty easy and great money, where on each subpage with PR4 you can place 10 links x $2 each.

For this reason I've created the system, which was able to crawl and detect PR for all subpages.
So, simple site with 10-30 pages generated $100 - $500 monthly without any hassle where I was paid on auction $100-$400 per domain.



It was pretty nice time
Also on above image is visible how Moz MR was pretty close to OLD PageRank.

Cheers, Greg.