Google update again?!

I disavowed too, but the thing that worries me is that the links I found in MOZ link explorer (the thousands of shit links to my site - I've checked them and they exist) were not found in google webmaster tools, so I suppose google filtered them out already? Or is this a limitation of the GWT that it can't show all links google indexed about a particular site? Because in GWT I only see clean links to my site...

@Neptune's Kiss are those sites in health niche?
 
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I've wrote here before that I lost more than 80% of my traffic and lost every bit more with every update. Now I sucessfully recovered. Was a lot of work in the past 3 months. What helped me the most(Tested it with multiple projects and sites that I have):
- Disavow all Sitewide backlinks(especially these in the footer! )
- If you have outgoing external links on your site and it is on the footer and / or sitewide, switch these outgoing links to nofollow
- Get a steady Link Velocity
- Quality Contextual Links with Brand Anchor

So at the end, I believe these updates are about Link Quality and Anchor Texts.

These steps and a lot of other work brought me now more(way more) traffic and rankings that I've had(even before the algo updates).
 
goddonsmith said:
My site is not ranking even after building good links :weep:
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Ranking process is not happen in Overnight, So many factors are involved in google Ranking,
So Be Patience & do your work regularly.
 
ganxtav1 said:
So at the end, I believe these updates are about Link Quality and Anchor Texts.
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I think the same.
I have stopped to use keywords anchor texts (i.e. "Los Angeles Plumbers") and started to use only naked urls and brand names.
It seems to work for now.
I'll update in few weeks, after I have built several new links with naked/brand anchors.
It is only my opinion, but It seems that google starts to penalize a massive use of keywords anchors (maybe it considers them spammy, I don't know... it is only a sensation...).
 
@mtj85 In general, GWT/SC only show a fraction of all links, the data there is neither complete nor always up-to-date and so far I have never seen it filtered in any way. Unfortunately means you have to use tools like MOZ or (my preference) Ahrefs to really find almost all sites linking to you.

Even Google employees mentioned in several hangouts that this data is just a snapshot to give you an impression of the big picture, but far from the complete list of links Google actually knows for your site.
 
DubaiClub said:
I think the same.
I have stopped to use keywords anchor texts (i.e. "Los Angeles Plumbers") and started to use only naked urls and brand names.
It seems to work for now.
I'll update in few weeks, after I have built several new links with naked/brand anchors.
It is only my opinion, but It seems that google starts to penalize a massive use of keywords anchors (maybe it considers them spammy, I don't know... it is only a sensation...).
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Years and years ago there was a shift from naked urls to linked keywords which saw the start of keyword stuffing, it's all one big circular trend and pattern just like anything and everything else it all comes back around.

Id not say ditch the KW links totally just like anything have a variety the more natural it looks (and should be) the better it's going to do in the long run.
 
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I'm starting to see this pattern as well. Many of my keywords that dropped from SERPs completely have been the ones I was making an effort to link with back to my site, so there could be a dial-up of anchor keyword stuffing penalty. Which would make sense, because going from position 1 to position N/A short time frame is very strange otherwise. I mean, for years apparently the anchor ratio for my site was within the thresholds, but now they've lowered this anchor ratio as they have probably detected that high-trust websites don't use anchors at all (or the percentage is very low). So they've probably observed that let's say healthline only uses exact keyword as anchor in 1% of all links (I'm making this numbers up) so they could lower these thresholds intentionally for other sites to suffer (which could be generating manual links).
This also correlates with some of the guys here reporting to see recovery once they've lowered (or disawoved the exact-match backlinks). Also, I've seen across my other sites which basically have no links whatsoever to see large increase in traffic since every update since August...
 
mtj85 said:
I'm starting to see this pattern as well. Many of my keywords that dropped from SERPs completely have been the ones I was making an effort to link with back to my site, so there could be a dial-up of anchor keyword stuffing penalty. Which would make sense, because going from position 1 to position N/A short time frame is very strange otherwise. I mean, for years apparently the anchor ratio for my site was within the thresholds, but now they've lowered this anchor ratio as they have probably detected that high-trust websites don't use anchors at all (or the percentage is very low). So they've probably observed that let's say healthline only uses exact keyword as anchor in 1% of all links (I'm making this numbers up) so they could lower these thresholds intentionally for other sites to suffer (which could be generating manual links).
This also correlates with some of the guys here reporting to see recovery once they've lowered (or disawoved the exact-match backlinks). Also, I've seen across my other sites which basically have no links whatsoever to see large increase in traffic since every update since August...
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Doesn't make sense - have completely white-hat clients who don't do any outreach for backlinks (they just want them to come naturally) - but they still got hit with practically no anchors in their backlink profile (minus internal linking)...
 
idnt think only Anchor text blame for such exploded effect.. what happen if one of my competitor know this and suddenly decide to use it against us ... create a lot of totally spam link anchor and point it up to our site so what next? google down to dirty and punch me up? bigger than this.. i think the ALG focus on content and back link on complex view i mean AI calculate everything in compare scale ... domain age .. content .. back link and so many other tiny factor.. it is because G suffer for long time for over optimization.. even major privies penalty AlG dsnt effect so much but new one ALG clearly different story...
 
There is no AI here. You're misunderstanding the AI term. There's algo with different parameters with different weights. A massive flux in SERPs can be a consequence of changing weights for ranking factors (or introducing new ones), of which, links are still one of the most influencing factors. For such drastic change in SERP they probably changed weights for few important factors (such as links), or for several small factors to have the same effect. Otherwise there could not be so much impact. No single factor can change SERPs so much (except maybe the top 5 factors - in a very simplified explanation).
Google might be working on "AI" but rest assured that they don't have it yet. Or if they do have it, it's a bunch of scripts with static thresholds that they can adjust. AI would mean that the entity can think and act based on its principals. It doesn't exist.

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Doesn't make sense - have completely white-hat clients who don't do any outreach for backlinks (they just want them to come naturally) - but they still got hit with practically no anchors in their backlink profile (minus internal linking)...
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Well my other sites that have no links have seen great increase in traffic, which then doesn't correlate with what you have seen with "your" websites.

Were your sites in health niche? Did they drop in rankings or completely lose keywords from serp? Because in my case the anchors I used for linking to my site as keywords are totally gone from the serps. Not losing positions, gone. As in, penalty. Each major update (1. Aug, 27. Sept, 5. Dec) had a massive negative effect. I suspect this must be the date of refreshing backlinks database and recalculation of anchor ratio of some sorts. I still rank for keywords I haven't created any links though.

Has anyone else seen recovery after adjusting anchor ratio (lowering it)?
 
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mtj85 said:
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the anchors I used for linking to my site as keywords are totally gone from the serps.
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Same here.
Not gone but -5 pages after the last update (December, 5).


mtj85 said:
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refreshing backlinks database and recalculation of anchor ratio
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I think the same.
And analyzing my competitor backlinks (competitors that have NOT loosing a single position) I can see a pattern.
Their links are:
  • Naked urls
  • Brand
They have (maybe) 2% of anchor keywords.
They've not lost a single position.
My site drop to page 5/6.
I admit, I've used many anchor keywords.
I've to build many new backlinks with naked urls now, in order to dilute them as much as possible.
 
well.. yr right but AI have long range in this filed you see idnt think google implement StarWar artificial intelligence into SERPs and mess it up everything but somehow use it under the radar .. recent ALG subtlety different with other ALG first the scale and the same time zone globally implement. .. almost every language impact i want to ask non Us webmasters join conversion and tell us what happen there.. we shock from result such attack need huge brain to set up and realization.. as you know G a long time work on quantum machine .. after china claim to run first quantum computer do you think why not google run the same? G was the developer of qubit revolution they work with Nasa like charm .. in fact there is some clue about quantum entanglement on recent ALG ... one of the major property of quantum cloud is the paradox phase. it means two opposite things happen in same time and this trait explain wired behavior behind of new ALG.. who knows maybe G really take charge to AI for first step and next maybe Star trek come true..
 
Point no 1.
In my case I said over a month ago it is to do with anchor text percentages. My top keywords which had the higher percentages got hit, while the anchor text with lower did not.

Point no 2.
I keep a record of all links built with anchors. I check what is indexed in google on a weekly basis. What I have discovered now is that I did have 950 links going to one website, now indexed is around 600. A drop of 350 links thrown out.

So google have made a change on the types of links that it keeps in it's index now which would also contribute to a drop in rankings.
This also correlates to when you try and index links into Google,why it has become tougher, google does not accept those links.

So anchor text percentages altered and less links can certainly equal a drop in rankings.

Check to see how many links are indexed now and before.
 
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