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SocialManager said:
Absolutely nowhere did I suggest it's anyone's fault if they get scammed. I specifically said warning people is fine. You are wrongly, and ignorantly, implying that someone with a long history or upgraded membership is inherently more trustworthy. It's not the case. That kind of suggestion is actually really dangerous. People need to take caution with EVERY user they deal with on this site. If you think it's such a risk, you should be suggesting RULE CHANGES to the site administrators, and if they agree, they will implement them. If you don't think it's such a big risk that it's worth implementing rule changes, then just offer your warning and move on.

This thread simply isn't the place to tell people NOT to offer things that are within the rules. Warnings to users and such are fine, but telling them NOT to... that's wrong in my opinion.

Again, if you care, really care, go suggest a rule change! Maybe the admins just never thought about it.
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Gotta agree this one. It's like trusting your own instinct so much that you ignore the real flow. Telling OP not to post this type of thread as a newbie and telling people not to deal with the OP user is kinda low key hate. On the contrary scammers can easily build trust and grow accounts using some people's made up rule of trust instinct, a loophole. We gotta be unbiased towards newcomers.

NEWBIE CAN'T POST FREEBIE. Well theres no rule like that and users are free to ring a bell to mods for updates on rule.
 
SEOzack said:
We are senior members.
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You've not even been here for 9 months, what makes you a senior member? Shitlist is full of blue badges scamming people.

Everyone should do their own due diligence. Good luck OP and welcome to BHW.
 
SEOzack said:
If everyone should do their own due diligence, why have a shit list?

Not everyone who comes here has experience. Or knowledge, their just eager for help.

Shitlist is full of blue badges because if anybody reports a non JrVIP for scamming them they will also get their account banned.

Doesn't take a genius to work it out?

Senior member? Considering the effort I put in to become a member of the community. The give aways. The BSTs. The running and maintenance my BSTs and JRVIP membership goes towards supporting.

I would say so.
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Jog on buddy, you are barely past the noob stage with something to sell. No medals for that other than the deceptive blue badge that you paid for.
 
SEOzack said:
If everyone should do their own due diligence, why have a shit list?

Not everyone who comes here has experience. Or knowledge, their just eager for help.

Shitlist is full of blue badges because if anybody reports a non JrVIP for scamming them they will also get their account banned.

Doesn't take a genius to work it out?

Senior member? Considering the effort I put in to become a member of the community. The give aways. The BSTs. The running and maintenance my BSTs and JRVIP membership goes towards supporting.

I would say so.
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Your paid blue dosen't make you a senior here, you have just 9 months old, still a newbie, so let the senior's to give advice support.
 
cheva said:
Jog on buddy, you are barely past the noob stage with something to sell. No medals for that other than the deceptive blue badge that you paid for.
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Dude, that's a little harsh. I see @SEOzack point as well. Does trip the Radar, could be everything is perfectly fine, could be it's not. Could be he knows his shit, could be not. Who knows til down the road? But really, a warning is in order for those around here that are new and could be taken advantage of.
 
LuckyGirl9334 said:
Dude, that's a little harsh. I see @SEOzack point as well. Does trip the Radar, could be everything is perfectly fine, could be it's not. Could be he knows his shit, could be not. Who knows til down the road? But really, a warning is in order for those around here that are new and could be taken advantage of.
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To much pink, you wanted your message to be readable?
You too still young on bhw, so let the seniors to give warnings and advices.
 
LuckyGirl9334 said:
Dude, that's a little harsh. I see @SEOzack point as well. Does trip the Radar, could be everything is perfectly fine, could be it's not. Could be he knows his shit, could be not. Who knows til down the road? But really, a warning is in order for those around here that are new and could be taken advantage of.
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I am not taking away from his warning. That warning stands for noobs and older members. I questioned him calling himself a senior member. I have no problem with the rest of his message. He can post that on all bsts for all I care.

To me, he is more p'd off because OP could possibly upsell something, not because some kid could get scammed. That's my opinion.
 
I find it funny that a lot of 'supposed senior members' are very worried over newbies getting scammed but would preach 'spoonfeeding as a sin' anytime a newbie asks about a method, secret or strategy.

So y'all worried about 'em loosing money to someone but refuse to help with the least information you can so they can earn a living.

Y'all are fucking hypocrites:smirk:
 
graySEO said:
I find it funny that a lot of 'supposed senior members' are very worried over newbies getting scammed but would preach 'spoonfeeding as a sin' anytime a newbie asks about a method, secret or strategy.

So y'all worried about 'em loosing money to someone but refuse to help with the least information you can so they can earn a living.

Y'all are fucking hypocrites:smirk:
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Spoonfeeding is laziness. I don't see the connection.
 
Luco said:
To much pink, you wanted your message to be readable?
You too still young on bhw, so let the seniors to give warnings and advices.
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I like the pink. I didn't give warning or advice, I gave my opinion. I'll do that as much as I please.
 
Yeah, but i'm not trying to scam no one. I'm just giving advaices, and all i need is a console and internet. So i don't understand the point of being a scammer.
I'm going defensive because i'm being attacked for nothing. That's my point. But i understand how communities works. I'm helping people for free also to get reputation, and learn. Because as developer that's my job.
 
Right now i'm working for:
athanasios and fifty875 (in few hours i'll finish to reply)

KJREDDY247@ got a reply, need to discuss more about the task
Ashway and SocialManager will be replied in few hours
 
SEOzack said:
OK.

Let us clarify a few things, as I think this is going on a bit now. It is obvious some people are just here because they want an argument.

It was pointed out to me to raise my point in an official way. So, I did.

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/newbies-posting-ama-or-offering-free-services.1149898/#post-12342013

If you feel so vocal, please add your point to the thread.








The community thanks you for your fourty posts a year in the last ten years. You have obviously been an active, and giving member of the community.



This is the issue. Most of them don't. So, if I am actively trying to protect members, why argue about a valid point? Again, please post in my thread above if you have something to say. Leave OP to this.



Oh, of-course I am. Why wouldn't I be? I buy developer services from this forum @Veil123 is one of my many go-to guys. Why wouldn't I be p'd off if someone is trying to take work that he has paid annual membership for?

Again, the community. Obviously, you don't care for or understand the term.



Totally different point. Protecting someone from getting scammed or robbed is a duty of all members. Obviously many don't care, as seen. Giving away advice is sound but no one is going to hold your hand and teach you how to make money. BUT once you start trying, and making an effort you will be surprised at how much help you get, unfortunately, most don't reach that point and just give up.



Good luck to you. As I said, I offer you advice to help you transition into the forum properly. There is a lot of money to be made here, friends, and lessons. I hope to see you with a BST in the future.
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I still don't understand how I can scam people by using a console and internet.
That's my service. Simple tasks.

You guys just arrived here, scared people and that's it. I don't need to know how the communities works. I've used few by myself and managed other since 2009.
 
Stitches and Burns said:
Spoonfeeding is laziness. I don't see the connection
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SEOzack said:
Totally different point. Protecting someone from getting scammed or robbed is a duty of all members. Obviously many don't care, as seen. Giving away advice is sound but no one is going to hold your hand and teach you how to make money. BUT once you start trying, and making an effort you will be surprised at how much help you get, unfortunately, most don't reach that point and just give up.
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I will talk about this just once.

Spoonfeeding is laziness? Quite funny
Some of y'all don't work as hard as we who just begun, just that we do know the right thing to do. I personally work till it's 2am, initially affected my health but i guess my body has now gotten used to it.
I am on bhw 24/7 grabbing all info i can yet almost all methods seem to be incomplete or aged already and almost dead apart from seo i guess.

Telling someone what to do doesn't neccesarily mean spoonfeeding. A lot of guys here aren't tech. inclined like myself. I follow threads and see that i have to use tools which i often pay for just to find out there are loads of technical settings to do especially with social media like jarvee and when i tried youtube botting(those technical stuff.are never put out there in the thread or journeys and no matter how much you ask, you never get a reply)

I have lost over 700 dollars and gained nothing atm. I am from a country where 700 dollars is equal to 250k and that's big. I am a student from a broke background and atm unemployed.

My point is you should focus your energy on helping someone and not cos you are unhappy a newbie is offering a service you would get paid for. That guy could be genuine or not. If he actually is genuine, you are trying to stand in between the help he should offer to newbies who are not buoyant enough just cos of selfish reasons. It's the way i see it.
 
I would like to thank people for their 'meaningful help' on killing the thread. After this, definitely I will never come back again to BHW.

If you are guys feeling attacked because someone posting whatever you are doing for free, instead of charging people, it's a reason to publicly deface me saying that I'm a scammer?

You guys that have years of experience, a lot of reputation and so much knowledge, that you are pretending that I'm a scammer. If you are so genius, explain me how I can scam people with the servicess I'm providing.

My services are Front End, Optimization and suggestions over few things I know. So yeah, it's HTML, CSS and JS that can be edited with browser inspection.

I've got restricted, people not even contact me anymore, so yeah. You did your job greatly! Congratulations!

And never say again someone else read the rules, if you are the first one that break them by spamming and flaming.
 
So it's pretty clear that this place is full of greedy people.
Just close this thread, I will not provide any kind of service anymore. Not here at least.

Instead, if you were one of this people who wanted use one of my services for free, I highly recommend you to get your money from the pocket and show them to https://www.blackhatworld.com/members/ilearnseo.859262/. He will help you for sure!
 
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