[Journey] Building Authority Sites with $5k or Less
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@billyd I screwed up my kw analysis, which messed up my article outsourcing. I need to do the kw analysis again to determine SEO competition to figure out how much in resources I'll need to rank each kw. I'm not just using linkpushes, more on that later.
Results: Installed SEO PowerSuite RankTracker. 3 kw's in top 100 for real estate, 2 kw's in top 100 for dental niche. The linkpushes have started, I haven't done any backlinking besides completing 3 linkpushes. Still 0 traffic, but also still 0 backlinking so far.
Change in view of money. I need to conserve my $ as long as I can, because it's clear to me now that I really don't know what I'm doing, and if I shell out a bunch of money for services, a lot of it will be wasted low value keywords. If we can use the analogy of hunting, low value keywords are like squirrels or rabbits, and high value keywords are like deer and lions and bigger game. And backlinking services are like different types of guns. If I were to bring out heavy artillery to shoot a squirrel, it's a total waste of money on excessive firepower. I'm measuring firepower needed by the strength of competition of the keyword in MarketSamurai. If it's low competition, I'll add the page in NHSEO and let 'er loose. If it's bigger, then I'll try some services to rank well for it. Continued later in the post...
Thanks for the article writer suggestions
I'm spending most of my time editing articles for scheduled postings into wordpress. This is because I did a lousy job outlining my initial specs to the article writers in at the start. Now I know how they should template the articles so it's a couple simple copy/pastes.
Backlinking strategy. I need to review all the keywords and determine SEO competition. I think I can do this with marketsamurai. If it's low competition, I'll just run the inner page through nohandsSEO. I'm doing the 7 day trial, and definitely getting the full version once the trial is over. Basically every page will be entered into NHSEO so it can start getting relevant backlinks.
If the keyword is more competitive, I'll need a real strategy. This strategy will probably be revised a lot. After reading several backlinking guides, and some comments on this thread, diversity is key. Diversity makes your backlinks look natural. Also, since these sites are new, I can't just blast them with thousands of links. Seems like the mainstream thought is to buy high PR contextual links in private blog networks, have buffer sites (e.g. free website hosts, web 2.0 and article submissions) to blast thousands of links that build up link juice, which in turn gets passed to my site. I think this is the basis of a link pyramid.
Also, I'd like to find niche high PR sites to leave comments and trackback links, so I am investigating scrapebox and zennoposter to help do this automated instead of manually.
In addition, I'm planning to use the following services:
BigBuddy Edu links,
ExtraWinner's Blackhole 2.0
Maybe build 5x5 link pyramids (and later outsource it) as outlined by NapsteR http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...push-stop-read-uc-linkpush-my-500th-post.html
For indexing backlinks, I'll add any backlink URL to NHSEO and maybe subscribe to linkalicious later on.
Summary:
Trying to conserve money now on must have things instead of spending it willy nilly.
$0 and 8 hours to read articles, 1 hour playing with WP and plugins, 5 hours editing articles, 5 hours playing with nhseo.
Running total: $834
Total time: 62 hours
Results: Installed SEO PowerSuite RankTracker. 3 kw's in top 100 for real estate, 2 kw's in top 100 for dental niche. The linkpushes have started, I haven't done any backlinking besides completing 3 linkpushes. Still 0 traffic, but also still 0 backlinking so far.
Change in view of money. I need to conserve my $ as long as I can, because it's clear to me now that I really don't know what I'm doing, and if I shell out a bunch of money for services, a lot of it will be wasted low value keywords. If we can use the analogy of hunting, low value keywords are like squirrels or rabbits, and high value keywords are like deer and lions and bigger game. And backlinking services are like different types of guns. If I were to bring out heavy artillery to shoot a squirrel, it's a total waste of money on excessive firepower. I'm measuring firepower needed by the strength of competition of the keyword in MarketSamurai. If it's low competition, I'll add the page in NHSEO and let 'er loose. If it's bigger, then I'll try some services to rank well for it. Continued later in the post...
Thanks for the article writer suggestions
I'm spending most of my time editing articles for scheduled postings into wordpress. This is because I did a lousy job outlining my initial specs to the article writers in at the start. Now I know how they should template the articles so it's a couple simple copy/pastes.
Backlinking strategy. I need to review all the keywords and determine SEO competition. I think I can do this with marketsamurai. If it's low competition, I'll just run the inner page through nohandsSEO. I'm doing the 7 day trial, and definitely getting the full version once the trial is over. Basically every page will be entered into NHSEO so it can start getting relevant backlinks.
If the keyword is more competitive, I'll need a real strategy. This strategy will probably be revised a lot. After reading several backlinking guides, and some comments on this thread, diversity is key. Diversity makes your backlinks look natural. Also, since these sites are new, I can't just blast them with thousands of links. Seems like the mainstream thought is to buy high PR contextual links in private blog networks, have buffer sites (e.g. free website hosts, web 2.0 and article submissions) to blast thousands of links that build up link juice, which in turn gets passed to my site. I think this is the basis of a link pyramid.
Also, I'd like to find niche high PR sites to leave comments and trackback links, so I am investigating scrapebox and zennoposter to help do this automated instead of manually.
In addition, I'm planning to use the following services:
BigBuddy Edu links,
ExtraWinner's Blackhole 2.0
Maybe build 5x5 link pyramids (and later outsource it) as outlined by NapsteR http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...push-stop-read-uc-linkpush-my-500th-post.html
For indexing backlinks, I'll add any backlink URL to NHSEO and maybe subscribe to linkalicious later on.
Summary:
Trying to conserve money now on must have things instead of spending it willy nilly.
$0 and 8 hours to read articles, 1 hour playing with WP and plugins, 5 hours editing articles, 5 hours playing with nhseo.
Running total: $834
Total time: 62 hours
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My goal is $3,000/mo total for both sites. When taking a step back, real estate and dental niches both have advertisers with very heavy pockets, and making $3k/mo from both is just a drop compared to the amount of traffic out there. I just have a goal in mind for that much, but not sure exactly how to get there, as it's my first time with SEO.
I've narrowed down the kw lists to about 160 for each niche. If I narrowed the kw's to eliminate duplicates, nonsense phrases, and business names, I would probably get around 100 solid keywords for each niche. They're all above $1 CPC, with most between $2-$6 CPC. Initial kw analysis was done via BTB kw approach. As a result, the exact searches for some words are low. Average exact search for my current keywords is ~1,000.
Haha, thanks. I feel like I haven't done that much besides make a ton of mistakes, waste money, waste time, and have 2 sites with some ok content and no ranking. But we'll see what happens
I've narrowed down the kw lists to about 160 for each niche. If I narrowed the kw's to eliminate duplicates, nonsense phrases, and business names, I would probably get around 100 solid keywords for each niche. They're all above $1 CPC, with most between $2-$6 CPC. Initial kw analysis was done via BTB kw approach. As a result, the exact searches for some words are low. Average exact search for my current keywords is ~1,000.
Haha, thanks. I feel like I haven't done that much besides make a ton of mistakes, waste money, waste time, and have 2 sites with some ok content and no ranking. But we'll see what happens
IamNRE
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My goal is $3,000/mo total for both sites. When taking a step back, real estate and dental niches both have advertisers with very heavy pockets, and making $3k/mo from both is just a drop compared to the amount of traffic out there. I just have a goal in mind for that much, but not sure exactly how to get there, as it's my first time with SEO.
I've narrowed down the kw lists to about 160 for each niche. If I narrowed the kw's to eliminate duplicates, nonsense phrases, and business names, I would probably get around 100 solid keywords for each niche. They're all above $1 CPC, with most between $2-$6 CPC. Initial kw analysis was done via BTB kw approach. As a result, the exact searches for some words are low. Average exact search for my current keywords is ~1,000.
Haha, thanks. I feel like I haven't done that much besides make a ton of mistakes, waste money, waste time, and have 2 sites with some ok content and no ranking. But we'll see what happens
I would add up all the traffic you expect to get from the keywords when your ranking in top 5 (lets say half the 1K searches per keyword).
Then say your avg. click is $0.50
Then take the first figure (total monthly visits) and divide it by 100 and times it with 5 (to get 5% CTR).
And that should be what you can expect to make from the site(s) per month.
So your making an adsense site... consider adding CPA banners if the niche is right and there are some good offers (if the adsense are low).
Im just suggesting that you look at the figures to see if they can get you $1500 per month.... otherwise you should consider revising your plan.
Good luck bro, better to try and fail and learn what you do wrong, because that is one step closer to success mate!
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Kikerinka
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- Dec 18, 2010
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Very little number of authority sites that are not made only for Adsense have 5%CTR.
I would say to make your predictions realistic, you need to count with 2%CTR maximum.
problogger99
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- Nov 13, 2009
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My simple question hope you have guts to answer:
If your sites could make such huge amount of money then why don't you try it for yourself and make millions?
jul3s
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- Jan 28, 2010
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Did you read the thread??
OP im very inspired by your journey!
Just believe in yourself and keep on going!
IamNRE, really appreciate your comment. It forced me to reevaluate my kw selection and how kw's related to revenue.
I used LBrown's rough kw valuation:
(local exact searches x .40 x .05) x (cpc * .68) = potential revenue of kw
.40 = 40% search volume if you are position #1
.05 = 5% ctr to adsense
.68 = percentage of ad revenue given to adsense publishers
While I don't know if this is correct or not, I evaluated all the values for exact searches for my keywords. Then I chose the top 10 keywords that I think I can rank. Doing that for both sites, I get about $3k/mo with 20 competitive kws. This is also only with adsense; not counting other revenue streams mentioned previously like CJ, Clickbank, Amazon, etc.
The other half of the equation, competition analysis I haven't really figured out yet. I'm just using market samurai SEOC (free tool) to do a rough guess.
By June 30th, with my current rate of progress, I'll have 420 articles (210 for each site), focused on 1 keyword each. If I start seeing earnings and progress more rapidly, then I will increase the rate of article writing and focus on increasingly competitive keywords.
I used LBrown's rough kw valuation:
(local exact searches x .40 x .05) x (cpc * .68) = potential revenue of kw
.40 = 40% search volume if you are position #1
.05 = 5% ctr to adsense
.68 = percentage of ad revenue given to adsense publishers
While I don't know if this is correct or not, I evaluated all the values for exact searches for my keywords. Then I chose the top 10 keywords that I think I can rank. Doing that for both sites, I get about $3k/mo with 20 competitive kws. This is also only with adsense; not counting other revenue streams mentioned previously like CJ, Clickbank, Amazon, etc.
The other half of the equation, competition analysis I haven't really figured out yet. I'm just using market samurai SEOC (free tool) to do a rough guess.
By June 30th, with my current rate of progress, I'll have 420 articles (210 for each site), focused on 1 keyword each. If I start seeing earnings and progress more rapidly, then I will increase the rate of article writing and focus on increasingly competitive keywords.
johnnyd77
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- May 6, 2011
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@billyd I screwed up my kw analysis, which messed up my article outsourcing. I need to do the kw analysis again to determine SEO competition to figure out how much in resources I'll need to rank each kw. I'm not just using linkpushes, more on that later.
Results: Installed SEO PowerSuite RankTracker. 3 kw's in top 100 for real estate, 2 kw's in top 100 for dental niche. The linkpushes have started, I haven't done any backlinking besides completing 3 linkpushes. Still 0 traffic, but also still 0 backlinking so far.
Change in view of money. I need to conserve my $ as long as I can, because it's clear to me now that I really don't know what I'm doing, and if I shell out a bunch of money for services, a lot of it will be wasted low value keywords. If we can use the analogy of hunting, low value keywords are like squirrels or rabbits, and high value keywords are like deer and lions and bigger game. And backlinking services are like different types of guns. If I were to bring out heavy artillery to shoot a squirrel, it's a total waste of money on excessive firepower. I'm measuring firepower needed by the strength of competition of the keyword in MarketSamurai. If it's low competition, I'll add the page in NHSEO and let 'er loose. If it's bigger, then I'll try some services to rank well for it. Continued later in the post...
Thanks for the article writer suggestions
I'm spending most of my time editing articles for scheduled postings into wordpress. This is because I did a lousy job outlining my initial specs to the article writers in at the start. Now I know how they should template the articles so it's a couple simple copy/pastes.
Backlinking strategy. I need to review all the keywords and determine SEO competition. I think I can do this with marketsamurai. If it's low competition, I'll just run the inner page through nohandsSEO. I'm doing the 7 day trial, and definitely getting the full version once the trial is over. Basically every page will be entered into NHSEO so it can start getting relevant backlinks.
If the keyword is more competitive, I'll need a real strategy. This strategy will probably be revised a lot. After reading several backlinking guides, and some comments on this thread, diversity is key. Diversity makes your backlinks look natural. Also, since these sites are new, I can't just blast them with thousands of links. Seems like the mainstream thought is to buy high PR contextual links in private blog networks, have buffer sites (e.g. free website hosts, web 2.0 and article submissions) to blast thousands of links that build up link juice, which in turn gets passed to my site. I think this is the basis of a link pyramid.
Also, I'd like to find niche high PR sites to leave comments and trackback links, so I am investigating scrapebox and zennoposter to help do this automated instead of manually.
In addition, I'm planning to use the following services:
BigBuddy Edu links,
ExtraWinner's Blackhole 2.0
Maybe build 5x5 link pyramids (and later outsource it) as outlined by NapsteR http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...push-stop-read-uc-linkpush-my-500th-post.html
For indexing backlinks, I'll add any backlink URL to NHSEO and maybe subscribe to linkalicious later on.
Summary:
Trying to conserve money now on must have things instead of spending it willy nilly.
$0 and 8 hours to read articles, 1 hour playing with WP and plugins, 5 hours editing articles, 5 hours playing with nhseo.
Running total: $834
Total time: 62 hours
If you want to keep your money, there is a free version of traffic travis pro somewhere in the forum. You can analyze top 20 competition.
I'm using blackhole 2 at the moment and the result are pretty good. EW service is pretty good in my opinion. However, if you want to rank more keywords, you might want to give a try with Jstover77 service. Just saying.
JD77
wacka_wacka
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- Sep 14, 2011
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I'm finding that getting ranked #1 is fucking difficult, even with low competition keywords.
I got one keyword to rank #7 before it dropped and did the google dance. It was only 4,400 exact searches a month.
I got another keyword to #10 at 12,000 exact searches a month but now it's dancing....
Those took a lot of money and work to push them that far and I'm not even close to being #1 yet where all the money is made.
I'm not so sure in investing more time and money into niche sites...
I got one keyword to rank #7 before it dropped and did the google dance. It was only 4,400 exact searches a month.
I got another keyword to #10 at 12,000 exact searches a month but now it's dancing....
Those took a lot of money and work to push them that far and I'm not even close to being #1 yet where all the money is made.
I'm not so sure in investing more time and money into niche sites...
tedchang8592
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- Sep 9, 2010
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Thanks for the clarification!
Update Time
4 real estate in top 100 and 6 more in top 200. 1 of the kw's is top 20 but for really low traffic, like 500/mo exact local search.
4 dental kw's top 100.
Realizing that my kw research is lacking. I know how to estimate kw revenue but don't know how to do the competitive research part. Doing the competitive research is essential to learn how much backlinking effort needed for ranking.
I spent 2 hours making a 5x5 link pyramid with article spinning and different blog sites, but then manually looked at search results and found that kw will be hard to get to page 1. Two hours wasted But at least I didn't waste a bunch of money to get 0 results.
Seems like there's a ton of ways to do competitive research. Add &start=990 which lets you see the number of page results in Google, with the more pages meaning more competition. 399 or less = low, 400-600 = medium, 650+ = high.
allintitle <5k, allinurl <5k, phrase results <50k
Manual search for kw with SEOQuake plugin: look for 1-3 weak competitors with PR0-3, weak backlinking, weak onpage SEO.
I'm thinking that building authority sites it's better to rank low competition keywords, and try to rank increasingly harder keywords. So I'll target keywords similar to how a microniche site would approach it, while still building out content for both the low competition keywords and also the keyword articles that I envision an authority site should have.
I'm doing kw research very arbitrarily. To find low competition kw's I'm looking at my existing kw list, going through TrafficTravis Pro to view PR and backlinks of the top 10 and ignoring the difficulty stars. If it's low PR and low backlinks then I'll pop it into NHSEO for now.
What you guys think of targeting easy kws first? vs high competition kws with a service like Jstover77?
Summary:
Still confused about kw research and competition research.
$20 and 6 hours to read bhw, 2 hours playing with TrafficTravis, 2 hours making 5x5 link pyramid.
Running total: $854
Total time: 72 hours
4 real estate in top 100 and 6 more in top 200. 1 of the kw's is top 20 but for really low traffic, like 500/mo exact local search.
4 dental kw's top 100.
Realizing that my kw research is lacking. I know how to estimate kw revenue but don't know how to do the competitive research part. Doing the competitive research is essential to learn how much backlinking effort needed for ranking.
I spent 2 hours making a 5x5 link pyramid with article spinning and different blog sites, but then manually looked at search results and found that kw will be hard to get to page 1. Two hours wasted
But at least I didn't waste a bunch of money to get 0 results.Seems like there's a ton of ways to do competitive research. Add &start=990 which lets you see the number of page results in Google, with the more pages meaning more competition. 399 or less = low, 400-600 = medium, 650+ = high.
allintitle <5k, allinurl <5k, phrase results <50k
Manual search for kw with SEOQuake plugin: look for 1-3 weak competitors with PR0-3, weak backlinking, weak onpage SEO.
I'm thinking that building authority sites it's better to rank low competition keywords, and try to rank increasingly harder keywords. So I'll target keywords similar to how a microniche site would approach it, while still building out content for both the low competition keywords and also the keyword articles that I envision an authority site should have.
I'm doing kw research very arbitrarily. To find low competition kw's I'm looking at my existing kw list, going through TrafficTravis Pro to view PR and backlinks of the top 10 and ignoring the difficulty stars. If it's low PR and low backlinks then I'll pop it into NHSEO for now.
What you guys think of targeting easy kws first? vs high competition kws with a service like Jstover77?
Summary:
Still confused about kw research and competition research.
$20 and 6 hours to read bhw, 2 hours playing with TrafficTravis, 2 hours making 5x5 link pyramid.
Running total: $854
Total time: 72 hours
johnnyd77
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- May 6, 2011
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With Jstover77 service, you can target 10 keywords. 1 of them will be more backlinked since its your main keyword.
Regarding your keyword research, you never know what your cpc will be. The average CPC given by Google keyword tool is only an estimate. In my experience, keyword with low adword competition tend to give small ctr and smaller cpc than expected.
On the other hand, exact searches is an estimate as well. So you really have to test it before making any conclusions.
Anyways, how is adword competition for your keywords?
Regarding SEO competition, I suggest you to use traffic travis OR market samurai ( I've never used this oen tho). You can take a look at how hard is the competition ( backlinks to page, backlink to domain, h1 tag, description, ect.).
If I were you, I would review the SEO competition for all my keywords before buying any services.
Ranking smaller keywords is a good strategy, since some of them are very easy to rank, not much backlinks in the top 10.
Hope it can helps you,
JD77
Regarding your keyword research, you never know what your cpc will be. The average CPC given by Google keyword tool is only an estimate. In my experience, keyword with low adword competition tend to give small ctr and smaller cpc than expected.
On the other hand, exact searches is an estimate as well. So you really have to test it before making any conclusions.
Anyways, how is adword competition for your keywords?
Regarding SEO competition, I suggest you to use traffic travis OR market samurai ( I've never used this oen tho). You can take a look at how hard is the competition ( backlinks to page, backlink to domain, h1 tag, description, ect.).
If I were you, I would review the SEO competition for all my keywords before buying any services.
Ranking smaller keywords is a good strategy, since some of them are very easy to rank, not much backlinks in the top 10.
Hope it can helps you,
JD77
Update Time
4 real estate in top 100 and 6 more in top 200. 1 of the kw's is top 20 but for really low traffic, like 500/mo exact local search.
4 dental kw's top 100.
Realizing that my kw research is lacking. I know how to estimate kw revenue but don't know how to do the competitive research part. Doing the competitive research is essential to learn how much backlinking effort needed for ranking.
I spent 2 hours making a 5x5 link pyramid with article spinning and different blog sites, but then manually looked at search results and found that kw will be hard to get to page 1. Two hours wasted
Seems like there's a ton of ways to do competitive research. Add &start=990 which lets you see the number of page results in Google, with the more pages meaning more competition. 399 or less = low, 400-600 = medium, 650+ = high.
allintitle <5k, allinurl <5k, phrase results <50k
Manual search for kw with SEOQuake plugin: look for 1-3 weak competitors with PR0-3, weak backlinking, weak onpage SEO.
I'm thinking that building authority sites it's better to rank low competition keywords, and try to rank increasingly harder keywords. So I'll target keywords similar to how a microniche site would approach it, while still building out content for both the low competition keywords and also the keyword articles that I envision an authority site should have.
I'm doing kw research very arbitrarily. To find low competition kw's I'm looking at my existing kw list, going through TrafficTravis Pro to view PR and backlinks of the top 10 and ignoring the difficulty stars. If it's low PR and low backlinks then I'll pop it into NHSEO for now.
What you guys think of targeting easy kws first? vs high competition kws with a service like Jstover77?
Summary:
Still confused about kw research and competition research.
$20 and 6 hours to read bhw, 2 hours playing with TrafficTravis, 2 hours making 5x5 link pyramid.
Running total: $854
Total time: 72 hours
A real authority site should be focused on quality content and nothing else.
Don't go overboard on keywords, Google will spot it.
In my life, there are few times I have ever put everything into my comment. On those occasions I did, it reaped great rewards more than any backlink campaign ever did.
I see you are outsourcing everything but personally I think you need to find your no.1 passion and write about it. You can do it other ways but this is the best.
Don't go overboard on keywords, Google will spot it.
In my life, there are few times I have ever put everything into my comment. On those occasions I did, it reaped great rewards more than any backlink campaign ever did.
I see you are outsourcing everything but personally I think you need to find your no.1 passion and write about it. You can do it other ways but this is the best.