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We don't want to stop commerce - but you would lose any protection or right to shitlist where the deal isn't something from the marketplace.
Scammed by Royserpa for $800
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We don't want to stop commerce - but you would lose any protection or right to shitlist where the deal isn't something from the marketplace.
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If he's using people's credit card details to sign them up to stuff that don't want then that's just straight up illegal fraud. BHW did the right thing not allowing that to be sold here. Correct me if I'm wrong but this is a black hat SEO forum not a black hat illegal methods forum...
Perhaps he can clarify in case there has been some form of misunderstanding here?
Perhaps he can clarify in case there has been some form of misunderstanding here?
WHAT!???? This is fucking ILLEGAL.. it is not BH marketing. If Roy is selling methods like this through BHW but outside the market place (aka no mod approval) this needs looked at ASAP.. a trail leads back here and we’ll have some sensationalist article on news sites about the forum again, as fuck knows how many people he’s selling this “method” to.
Seriously pissed off at what I just read.. that’s low shit Roy, even for you.
A shit list.. fuck that, I’m all for procedures and rules (I was staff here in the past) but if what you’re saying is true, he deserves to be one touched.. gone, we don’t want or need that type of shit here. I’m actually shocked.
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JonasGreyHound
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Haha true and funny. Guess it's my mistake. Though blackhat can be a lot of stuff, I didn't know exactly what I was getting into and he misrepresented it I believe
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Correction - we never got to see his method this has already been covered here https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/a-real-blackhat-methods-section.1225997/page-5#post-13138682
Not too blackhat for BHW - just fell foul of some of our rules which cover fraud etc.
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I feel sorry for you, but I think he will refund you.
He really wants the Blackhat section huh.....
1)https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/blackhat-breaking-tos-right.1226290/
2) https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/a-real-blackhat-methods-section.1225997/
3) https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/i-guess-i-forgot-this-is-only-a-blackhat-marketing-forum.953804/
4) https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/so-whats-the-deal-with-bhw.953253/
5) https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/when-business-is-shady-play-shady.910867/
I think he has shared a lot of valuable threads on here but asking the same question 5 times is just not it.
If things would change and BHW would allow illegal stuff, then the mods would inform us.
In the threads that I linked mods clearly and respectfully pointed out the fact that this is "blackhat SEO" and not "Blackhat"
And that forbidding illegal stuff is to protect members, which is great.
He has also banned himself for 30 days after receiving a lot of criticism for some reason.
Guess he hasn't learned that much from it sadly....
1)https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/blackhat-breaking-tos-right.1226290/
2) https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/a-real-blackhat-methods-section.1225997/
3) https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/i-guess-i-forgot-this-is-only-a-blackhat-marketing-forum.953804/
4) https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/so-whats-the-deal-with-bhw.953253/
5) https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/when-business-is-shady-play-shady.910867/
I think he has shared a lot of valuable threads on here but asking the same question 5 times is just not it.
If things would change and BHW would allow illegal stuff, then the mods would inform us.
In the threads that I linked mods clearly and respectfully pointed out the fact that this is "blackhat SEO" and not "Blackhat"
And that forbidding illegal stuff is to protect members, which is great.
He has also banned himself for 30 days after receiving a lot of criticism for some reason.
Guess he hasn't learned that much from it sadly....
peppe
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you see this is the kind of bs methods people push over at Hforums. That's credit card fraud and identity theft.
neoxdz
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Hforum is full of methods that are "revolutionary" and "can be scaled passively to 500k per month" then you buy it and receive a method from 2010 that was already bad
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Even if the contact information needed to start conversing outside was obtained on BHW by PM ?
One more query. Suppose I have replied to some WTB thread and mentioned that I sell reddit accounts. Now if some other member sends me a pm to buy and I sell him those accounts, is it still a violation ?
SunnyLeon
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Welcome back t0mmy, haven't seen you around here in ages!
Compazz
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without you verifying OP claims, we can't tell if infact he did violated PM rules. sadly threads like this makes it difficult for me to know who to trust!
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I know he was selling via PM - I can see things that verified that.
Doobspelon
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As this is not SL and I can comment. Here are my two c:
I always had a bad feeling about him. The way he used to brag about his $10000 sales etc.
Taking people's cards and buying is a felony. It's a scam. A scammer should not be allowed in BHW
I always had a bad feeling about him. The way he used to brag about his $10000 sales etc.
Taking people's cards and buying is a felony. It's a scam. A scammer should not be allowed in BHW
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I think you need to ask yourself what is the sellers motive is for taking the discussion off the platform in the first place?
If a seller is directing you to their sales thread on BHW that's fine. If someone's posting indirectly trying to raise interest in a product that has already been rejected ref https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/a-real-blackhat-methods-section.1225997/page-5#post-13138682 that's not fine and would start to ring alarm bells to me. We'd infract and warn them before removing them. If it's pure spam they get an instant removal.
Re our Want To Buy
You should be fine as long as you stay within the want to buy rules available here https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/rules-posting-in-want-to-buy.951771/
This is the way I think about it.
I'm buying a service from someone on any forum. I check out their post history and they have a strong rep, knowledge of the niche I'm buying in and speak with other members in a professional manner/ a way I'd like to work. That's great so I go and look for their service on the forums moderated marketplace and they don't have one..... Ummm ok
Not necessarily a bad thing but I'll go and do deeper DueDIlligance first. Why are they trying to circumvent the process? What wouldn't their service be accepted? What's the deal here? I'll probably find someone else that's selling openly and within the rules of the forum as I'm more likely to get what I'm paying for.
But that's my personal view.
As a forum we try and be open to all views, moderate hard - kick scammers and spammers and provide options and community for those looking to take the long journey that is IM with all it's twists and turns. As with life you need to use your own common sense and do your own Due Diligence on anything you buy to ensure it's the right thing for you.
We're going slightly off topic here - If you have any other questions like this please post in the forum suggestions and feedback section.
Ok, ladies and gentlemen, before we start this massacre, first of all the method is not about carding or id theft. Op is using a cc offer, so i told him he could go really blackhat on that, but I advised against it.
Now, this is what happened:
1. Broke the rules and sent contact info on PMs (My bad, no excuse)
2. I answered all questions of OP, evry single one of them. He got the method, told him how to apply it.
3. He felt bad and regreted the sale and wanted out. Dude, its a blackhat method and its not about scamming or anything illegal. I told you how to work on it on your site. Really.
4. He asked for refund and I declined as I told him and showed him everything needed to make it work and I cant make him "unsee" everything he learned.
5. A sudden change of heart is not valid as he knew the method was blackhat in nature, though nothing illegal nor carding, obv. (I do have standards on the blackhat stuff i do)
6. It was 0.1 btc, not $800.
7. Its 5:30am here and i havent slept amd I'm on my phone, so sorry about spelling and grammar errors.
I understand why you guys are against blackhat methods here, I guess its true that some people cant handle well real blackhat methods. Though thats not an excuse, he knew what he was getting into and its not a scamming method.
Anyway, OP paid, got the method and everything in betwee, he regrets the purchase, wants out and I decline a refund.
It doesnt involve cc or carding, you know that, dont say bs man, come on.
Its not about carding or stealing cards or stealing ids at all, whatsoever.
Well, im not sure why you wouldnt buy from me, but you are welcome any time.
Yea i remember we talked. Everyone begs for a discount and so I set up the price at 0.2 btc so that when people ask for discounts, i can lower it without a problem.
The method is not related to carding or false ids or anything like that. OP just says that because his offered is about cc and i mentioned he could go as far as that but i wouldnt recommend anyone doing that.
Anyway, if mods want me to show them the method, im more than glad to do it to proof its not scam or carding.
Now, this is what happened:
1. Broke the rules and sent contact info on PMs (My bad, no excuse)
2. I answered all questions of OP, evry single one of them. He got the method, told him how to apply it.
3. He felt bad and regreted the sale and wanted out. Dude, its a blackhat method and its not about scamming or anything illegal. I told you how to work on it on your site. Really.
4. He asked for refund and I declined as I told him and showed him everything needed to make it work and I cant make him "unsee" everything he learned.
5. A sudden change of heart is not valid as he knew the method was blackhat in nature, though nothing illegal nor carding, obv. (I do have standards on the blackhat stuff i do)
6. It was 0.1 btc, not $800.
7. Its 5:30am here and i havent slept amd I'm on my phone, so sorry about spelling and grammar errors.
I understand why you guys are against blackhat methods here, I guess its true that some people cant handle well real blackhat methods. Though thats not an excuse, he knew what he was getting into and its not a scamming method.
Anyway, OP paid, got the method and everything in betwee, he regrets the purchase, wants out and I decline a refund.
It doesnt involve cc or carding, you know that, dont say bs man, come on.
Its not about carding or stealing cards or stealing ids at all, whatsoever.
Well, im not sure why you wouldnt buy from me, but you are welcome any time.
Yea i remember we talked. Everyone begs for a discount and so I set up the price at 0.2 btc so that when people ask for discounts, i can lower it without a problem.
The method is not related to carding or false ids or anything like that. OP just says that because his offered is about cc and i mentioned he could go as far as that but i wouldnt recommend anyone doing that.
Anyway, if mods want me to show them the method, im more than glad to do it to proof its not scam or carding.
SocialEyez
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But why he is no where tagged on this thread? he might just altogether miss it, and hes reputation is on the line.
@royserpa - please drop your word here. i am sure that OP and the rest of BHW, would like to see this resolved.
My 2 cents, if you're such a highroller as you claim (and i don't doubt you) you wouldn't harm your reputation for a couple hundred bucks.
So i really hope to see this resolved and everyone happy at the end
Edit: He replied just as i was typing it, i go to read it now lol
@royserpa - please drop your word here. i am sure that OP and the rest of BHW, would like to see this resolved.
My 2 cents, if you're such a highroller as you claim (and i don't doubt you) you wouldn't harm your reputation for a couple hundred bucks.
So i really hope to see this resolved and everyone happy at the end
Edit: He replied just as i was typing it, i go to read it now lol
Yea i did. No excuses, my bad.
As this is not SL and I can comment. Here are my two c:
I always had a bad feeling about him. The way he used to brag about his $10000 sales etc.
Taking people's cards and buying is a felony. It's a scam. A scammer should not be allowed in BHW
The method is not about carding or stealing cards or id theft or anything in between that.
I can show you the full method for you to see what its about. Its not carding at all.
But why he is no where tagged on this thread? he might just altogether miss it, and hes reputation is on the line.
@royserpa - please drop your word here. i am sure that OP and the rest of BHW, would like to see this resolved.
My 2 cents, if you're such a highroller as you claim (and i don't doubt you) you wouldn't harm your reputation for a couple hundred bucks.
So i really hope to see this resolved and everyone happy at the end
I already replied
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See the response above.But why he is no where tagged on this thread? he might just altogether miss it, and hes reputation is on the line.
@royserpa - please drop your word here. i am sure that OP and the rest of BHW, would like to see this resolved.
My 2 cents, if you're such a highroller as you claim (and i don't doubt you) you wouldn't harm your reputation for a couple hundred bucks.
So i really hope to see this resolved and everyone happy at the end
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