boom, exactly what i'm doing, and people don't trust me :/
RoyalCobra777
Elite Member
- Mar 23, 2014
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TIKTOK for sure.
The thing is that Instagram is turning into Facebook because of the reach. It doesn't matter if you have a 100k followers account if your post's reach will be 100. Is not like Facebook yet, but it will be soon. And why they do that? Because they don't want you to advertise for free to all of your followers. They want you to spend money on Instagram Ads. That's their true goal. So followers will become irrelevant very soon.
francis christin
Junior Member
- Feb 22, 2019
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tik tok botting
CoderFromHell
Power Member
- Mar 19, 2019
- 727
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Yep. I’m switching to real estate. IM is not meant to last forever unless you’re good at SEO or something.
thabo22
Newbie
- Oct 31, 2018
- 32
- 5
that's true. ranking web properties seems like the legitimate long lasting business in IM
Frenzied
Senior Member
- Feb 16, 2016
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People jumping the Instagram boat are the weakest marketers. It's really simple, but people don't understand. Rate limits have increased and you can follow less people? Easy solution: Create more accounts and follow less people on them. Creating accounts is extremely cheap & fast if you know the right tools/proxies.
Gary Becks
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- Apr 11, 2010
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I started Instagram botting back in 2012 when XgramBot was first released and the Instagram API was still wide open. The same thing that is happening now happened back when twitter sued The makers of TweetDemon ( amongst others). There will always be a way to spam these platforms ( to a greater or lesser degree ). Hell, I remember when you could rank a site with keyword stuffing and scrapeBox blasts.
A new loophole is always right around the corner. The biggest mistake I see most people making is that they aren't sending that traffic to actual properties that they own. All traffic regardless of source is not reliable if it is controlled by an Algo, which means social traffic (on any platform ), SEO, etc. Get it while the getting is good, but get them on your subscriber list, make them website visitors, create killer content, and master all the advertising platform, google, facebook, etc. In the end, YOUR website and YOUR list are the only real traffic sources you can always rely on.
A new loophole is always right around the corner. The biggest mistake I see most people making is that they aren't sending that traffic to actual properties that they own. All traffic regardless of source is not reliable if it is controlled by an Algo, which means social traffic (on any platform ), SEO, etc. Get it while the getting is good, but get them on your subscriber list, make them website visitors, create killer content, and master all the advertising platform, google, facebook, etc. In the end, YOUR website and YOUR list are the only real traffic sources you can always rely on.
Heisenberg's Hat
Regular Member
- Apr 5, 2019
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Instagram without a bot is not worth it.
Instagram is declining, just like Facebook was. (don't mention TikTok. 100% junk)
The reason is greed. Facebook is the greediest and most inhuman company.
Organic reach is down. Instagram wants to sell ads. The only thing is: Instagram ads don't work. Gary Vaynerchuk can foam from his mouth as much as he wants declaring that Instagram ads or underpriced. They are ineffective and overpriced by a factor of ten.
The way Instagram is right now, automation is the only thing that makes sense. Without automation, Instagram is not worth it.
They chased out the creatives by taking the organic reach away from them and now all they have left are marketers, who of course don't care about IG, but about their profits.
The funny thing is that Instagram thinks if they shut down the bots of individual operators all will be good. Botting will continue, but by larger operators who can put in the processing power and the tech knowledge. IG will see more, not less, bots, because those next gen bots will be so good the algorithm can go f*** itself. It will be of industrial scale. OK, the small operators with their 2000 accounts were driven out. Enter the large operator with 100 000 accounts, huge account farms in China and Russia.
And what about hacking the algorithm that you send signals directly to the algorithm without even using botted accounts? You have one account that, through coding, makes the algorithm believe it has incredible traffic, and the algorithm sends that account more. I think this will be the future of IG: high tech hackers controlling who's getting the views, and big consumer companies paying for them.
Not sure if people will flock to IG once this happens. What are they getting out of it?
This is what Instagram needs to do to save itself:
1. Dump the current algorithm. Bring organic reach back. And the old timeline.
2. Turn likes off
3. Weigh down heavily on "influencers" and "celebrity" junk accounts with their junk content. Further individuals.
I think IG will not do any of this and will slowly decline.
Why is nobody I know using Facebook any more? Because its filled with junk to the brim. The same destiny will await Instagram, because the creatives are leaving in droves.
Instagram is declining, just like Facebook was. (don't mention TikTok. 100% junk)
The reason is greed. Facebook is the greediest and most inhuman company.
Organic reach is down. Instagram wants to sell ads. The only thing is: Instagram ads don't work. Gary Vaynerchuk can foam from his mouth as much as he wants declaring that Instagram ads or underpriced. They are ineffective and overpriced by a factor of ten.
The way Instagram is right now, automation is the only thing that makes sense. Without automation, Instagram is not worth it.
They chased out the creatives by taking the organic reach away from them and now all they have left are marketers, who of course don't care about IG, but about their profits.
The funny thing is that Instagram thinks if they shut down the bots of individual operators all will be good. Botting will continue, but by larger operators who can put in the processing power and the tech knowledge. IG will see more, not less, bots, because those next gen bots will be so good the algorithm can go f*** itself. It will be of industrial scale. OK, the small operators with their 2000 accounts were driven out. Enter the large operator with 100 000 accounts, huge account farms in China and Russia.
And what about hacking the algorithm that you send signals directly to the algorithm without even using botted accounts? You have one account that, through coding, makes the algorithm believe it has incredible traffic, and the algorithm sends that account more. I think this will be the future of IG: high tech hackers controlling who's getting the views, and big consumer companies paying for them.
Not sure if people will flock to IG once this happens. What are they getting out of it?
This is what Instagram needs to do to save itself:
1. Dump the current algorithm. Bring organic reach back. And the old timeline.
2. Turn likes off
3. Weigh down heavily on "influencers" and "celebrity" junk accounts with their junk content. Further individuals.
I think IG will not do any of this and will slowly decline.
Why is nobody I know using Facebook any more? Because its filled with junk to the brim. The same destiny will await Instagram, because the creatives are leaving in droves.
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Very well put. Youtube can terminate your channel or demonetize at any time for any stupid reason, Facebook and Instagram can impose new rules and bad reach in order to promote their ads platform and so on. The only thing that you can control is your website. There, you make the rules, not Facebook or Google. Also, finding ways to get your followers/subscribers to your email list. There you have 100% "reach" every time. When you send an email, you send it to all the people in the list, not like on FB or Insta when you have 100k followers and your post gets to only 5k of those followers.
Fabian_ai
Junior Member
- May 6, 2019
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I'll give it 6-8 years. Same process as with facebook.
Fabian_ai
Junior Member
- May 6, 2019
- 126
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I love to remember that times 2-3 years ago when just a 100k page could like your post and it would go viral. Almost no matter what you were posting haha... should definitely be more active at this time!
Gabbruno
Newbie
- Apr 8, 2019
- 3
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As a creator who as of now only relies on Instagram i ask: where are creators going? Ok they are leaving instagram, they left facebook but what now? What should be the right move to do?
videosocialmediawizz
BANNED
- Dec 23, 2011
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There wil be many "next big things" on IG, and after IG as well. dont think it will die soon, but it could become less popular, happened to most platforms. For now there are tons of people generating millions on IG without botting, and at the same time, every day a shit ton of new people trying to become an influencer, or trying to find out ways to monetize the gram..
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Come together to create a social network full of spam?
Some of you guys need to step back and look at the bigger picture. Just because IG is cracking down on spammers, doesn't mean people will leave the platform. People mainly use IG to stay in touch with friends first, and enjoy good content 2nd. The platform is specifically designed and crafted to keep users addicted and using the app for as long as possible. I hardly doubt users will move onto another app just because botters are having a hard time.
Just like any platform that gets spammed to this point, you have to adapt or die. The ones who aren't complaining are testing and working their asses off right now to find a solution, and when they do, they'll bank hard with less competition. The rest of you complaining will keep posting here and refreshing BHW hoping someone will spoon feed a solution will die off and probably wait until "the next best thing".
PM and il’l show you insights of my account, in quotes niche.Will love to get some insights
Seems I to newbie to send PM´s... Do you mind sharing the name of the bot you are using?
Don’t think i’m allowed
Are the bot farms you refer to the ones where the views and likes come from on smm panels? Or where do those come from?
One thing I find strange is that in the last 2 months panels can't consistently provide likes. But they can easily provide video views. But they say the reason the likes are affected is because proxies are being terminated, accounts deleted, etc.
But aren't they using the same accounts on the same proxies to give views and likes? But there's no problem getting views - why only likes?