woodenzero
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- Oct 21, 2020
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Hey everyone! Hope you are all doing good and successful in your goals of making money online. First off so you don’t have to read to much if you alreaady have an idea, here’s my basic question:
Is it possible to outsource moderation duties to a lower COL country like India or Vietnam, and hire a small team of professional, trustworthy individuals to help do basic, daily moderation tasks like post approval/removal??
(perhaps with signed contracts and NDAs or something like that? Not sure whether it could be enforceable though ynow lol?) they would only need enough computer experience to moderate Reddit proficiently. Like just approving and removing posts and comments based on a guide of what type of posts we want them to approve / remove! Goal would be to have daily or near daily moderation work (helps
If they are in different time zones or some work nights so we have near around the clock attention on the mod queue) with each person in a 4-5 person team loggiing into their account at least once per hour or so and doing moderation queue work for like 5-15 minutes depending on how fast they are? Mainly just approving posts we want members to see and keeping out posts we don’t, or people who try to evade bans and spam our subreddit.
About what do you expect it would cost for an arrangement like this, monthly?
That’s the end of the basic question
The reason I ask, and some context that may help is (totally optional reading, no need to go past here unless you want to)
I am top mod on and run a lesser known, but very monetized subreddit community (sort of in the skincare / beauty products field, but with our own special spin that’s attracted a lot of people) that is still quite active for its size, and one of the most popular sites or forums in our niche, if not the most. It receives tons of posts and comments daily. I run it with another colleague I’ve known since we were kids and trust them as a friend and business partner. We never have any issues and it’s always been harmonious, and I have been moderating the sub all day, every day with them for the past few years since we started the sub. The problem is… It gets repetitive, needless to say!, and I wish I could spend my time on other related work that utilizes my skills more than just clicking buttons all day you know?
Not to sound uppity or anything, but frankly, modding the queue all day is above my pay grade and I believe I could be more productive and increase our income even further if I didn’t have to do it anymore, could work on other projects and business deals, and just paid a small team of professionals a monthly fee to do it for us.
The problem is, our monetization of the subreddit is a sort of like a weird open secret. Many of our members know, but don’t care. Most do not know, and probably wouldn’t like it if they knew. So trust and loyalty is of course a big issue that we’ve had in our attempts to seek out moderating help. The vast (well maybe not “vast”) majority of Reddit mods their subs for free, so you’d think it wouldn’t be an issue right? But we have always, always had problems with new mods refusing to stay in their lane and feeling entitled to cut into the pie we’ve made for ourselves through the hard work it took to develop our community from the ground up. We don’t even expect the new mods to work for free, and give them opportunities to develop their own monetization methods and products to promote that don’t conflict with ours, but almost all of them expect to make a middle class (or even higher) living salary from being a mod by splitting off a substantial fraction of our business income with each new mod, or starting their own things and product promotions that conflict with our arrangements with our client companies ( many of them major U.S. and EU manufacturers in this field. We have some huge clients) But any good businessperson understands that you can only afford to split your profits so much, before it becomes harmful to oneself and there livelihood. And of course if/when we tell these ppl no, or have to de-mod them because they say or do stuff that puts us all at risk, they freak out and will sosmfimes try to sling mud at us after the fact, sometimes just spreading rumors, but also sharing information they screenshotted about us approving or removing specific posts at the request of our clients, or the most annoying and disrespectful thing to me, sharing private conversations we have in our group messaging chat, trying to expose us for what we do (even though we try really hard and are committed to only promoting the best, most cost effective products to our members, most of who have amazing experiences with our client businesses and love their products. ) So I don’t see what is wrong with it. You may think what we are doing is unethical or not. Please no hate. If seeing this post makes you envious about us, and sympathetic toward the problematic mods (trust me, usually really nasty entitled people, even thougg we always treated them with respect and reminded them of the opportunities we’ve offered them and that they don’t have to be here if they don’t want to), So if this post makes you jealous, you’re kindly welcome to buzz off and go get your own bag. But regardless it’s worked well for us, and I can WFH easily and make 4x what my partner (a software engineer) does, just from Reddit which is crazy to me. They are thinking about quitting and joining my business, maybe helping us make a really nice website to move traffic to, and therefore increasing our monetization. But that is just one of many projects we have on the backburners.
So that’s about it guys thanks for reading. I know this may be seen as a reach and maybe there aren’t any professional businesses set up to do exactly this, but would yall have any idea of how do go about trying to find contractors who would be capable of adapting themselves to do this? Basically getting professional moderation help from people that are either unaware of figuring out what we do, or at least the full monetary scope of it, and who are obliged by contract or cultural norms to simply do the job they are being paid for, unlike these entitled and unprofessional b****hes we’ve been forced to deal with on and off for years?. We intend to pay them (the contractors) a fair fee according to their country’s standards and the amount of work we’re asking them to actually do., but hiring non-professional Americans and Europeans who barely even mod and feel entitled to thousands per month out of our bag, simply for clicking approve a few hundred times each month is not acceptable or sustainable. So my colleague and I decided that maybe outsourcing the work to a country where the US dollar goes much further would be a smart decision.
Please let me know if anyone has any experience with, or advice about this, or even better, if you’re a mod too and happen to be connected to a company that has contractors who will do stuff like this for cheap.
We both appreciate any advice! TYSM!
Is it possible to outsource moderation duties to a lower COL country like India or Vietnam, and hire a small team of professional, trustworthy individuals to help do basic, daily moderation tasks like post approval/removal??
(perhaps with signed contracts and NDAs or something like that? Not sure whether it could be enforceable though ynow lol?) they would only need enough computer experience to moderate Reddit proficiently. Like just approving and removing posts and comments based on a guide of what type of posts we want them to approve / remove! Goal would be to have daily or near daily moderation work (helps
If they are in different time zones or some work nights so we have near around the clock attention on the mod queue) with each person in a 4-5 person team loggiing into their account at least once per hour or so and doing moderation queue work for like 5-15 minutes depending on how fast they are? Mainly just approving posts we want members to see and keeping out posts we don’t, or people who try to evade bans and spam our subreddit.
About what do you expect it would cost for an arrangement like this, monthly?
That’s the end of the basic question
The reason I ask, and some context that may help is (totally optional reading, no need to go past here unless you want to)
I am top mod on and run a lesser known, but very monetized subreddit community (sort of in the skincare / beauty products field, but with our own special spin that’s attracted a lot of people) that is still quite active for its size, and one of the most popular sites or forums in our niche, if not the most. It receives tons of posts and comments daily. I run it with another colleague I’ve known since we were kids and trust them as a friend and business partner. We never have any issues and it’s always been harmonious, and I have been moderating the sub all day, every day with them for the past few years since we started the sub. The problem is… It gets repetitive, needless to say!, and I wish I could spend my time on other related work that utilizes my skills more than just clicking buttons all day you know?
Not to sound uppity or anything, but frankly, modding the queue all day is above my pay grade and I believe I could be more productive and increase our income even further if I didn’t have to do it anymore, could work on other projects and business deals, and just paid a small team of professionals a monthly fee to do it for us.
The problem is, our monetization of the subreddit is a sort of like a weird open secret. Many of our members know, but don’t care. Most do not know, and probably wouldn’t like it if they knew. So trust and loyalty is of course a big issue that we’ve had in our attempts to seek out moderating help. The vast (well maybe not “vast”) majority of Reddit mods their subs for free, so you’d think it wouldn’t be an issue right? But we have always, always had problems with new mods refusing to stay in their lane and feeling entitled to cut into the pie we’ve made for ourselves through the hard work it took to develop our community from the ground up. We don’t even expect the new mods to work for free, and give them opportunities to develop their own monetization methods and products to promote that don’t conflict with ours, but almost all of them expect to make a middle class (or even higher) living salary from being a mod by splitting off a substantial fraction of our business income with each new mod, or starting their own things and product promotions that conflict with our arrangements with our client companies ( many of them major U.S. and EU manufacturers in this field. We have some huge clients) But any good businessperson understands that you can only afford to split your profits so much, before it becomes harmful to oneself and there livelihood. And of course if/when we tell these ppl no, or have to de-mod them because they say or do stuff that puts us all at risk, they freak out and will sosmfimes try to sling mud at us after the fact, sometimes just spreading rumors, but also sharing information they screenshotted about us approving or removing specific posts at the request of our clients, or the most annoying and disrespectful thing to me, sharing private conversations we have in our group messaging chat, trying to expose us for what we do (even though we try really hard and are committed to only promoting the best, most cost effective products to our members, most of who have amazing experiences with our client businesses and love their products. ) So I don’t see what is wrong with it. You may think what we are doing is unethical or not. Please no hate. If seeing this post makes you envious about us, and sympathetic toward the problematic mods (trust me, usually really nasty entitled people, even thougg we always treated them with respect and reminded them of the opportunities we’ve offered them and that they don’t have to be here if they don’t want to), So if this post makes you jealous, you’re kindly welcome to buzz off and go get your own bag. But regardless it’s worked well for us, and I can WFH easily and make 4x what my partner (a software engineer) does, just from Reddit which is crazy to me. They are thinking about quitting and joining my business, maybe helping us make a really nice website to move traffic to, and therefore increasing our monetization. But that is just one of many projects we have on the backburners.
So that’s about it guys thanks for reading. I know this may be seen as a reach and maybe there aren’t any professional businesses set up to do exactly this, but would yall have any idea of how do go about trying to find contractors who would be capable of adapting themselves to do this? Basically getting professional moderation help from people that are either unaware of figuring out what we do, or at least the full monetary scope of it, and who are obliged by contract or cultural norms to simply do the job they are being paid for, unlike these entitled and unprofessional b****hes we’ve been forced to deal with on and off for years?. We intend to pay them (the contractors) a fair fee according to their country’s standards and the amount of work we’re asking them to actually do., but hiring non-professional Americans and Europeans who barely even mod and feel entitled to thousands per month out of our bag, simply for clicking approve a few hundred times each month is not acceptable or sustainable. So my colleague and I decided that maybe outsourcing the work to a country where the US dollar goes much further would be a smart decision.
Please let me know if anyone has any experience with, or advice about this, or even better, if you’re a mod too and happen to be connected to a company that has contractors who will do stuff like this for cheap.
We both appreciate any advice! TYSM!