So, Do BHW Scammers Actually Make Any Money?

I've been wondering for a while why on earth people try to scam others on BHW.

I can't really imagine that they make that much money. Now I'd never resort to scamming because I think it's wrong, but if I were, BHW would be the last place on earth I'd go. Trying to scam people on BHW is like trying to peddle pseudoscience to a physicist, or trying to convince an atheist that they need to be baptized; It's literally the worst possible group of people that one could ever choose to target or profit off of.

I'm dumbfounded because on one hand, scammers wouldn't exist on BHW if they didn't make at least some money some time. On the other hand, if they knew anything about IM they wouldn't be stupid enough to target a forum where 99% or the populous is going to call them out on their bullshit!

I'm confused. Can anybody else make heads or tails as to why scammers do this?

well there are still quite a few operating here...

Ask ceosam or Charles Floate a. K. A the pedophile

" Trying to scam people on BHW is like trying to peddle pseudoscience to a physicist, or trying to convince an atheist that they need to be baptized "

There are a lot of visitors to BHW who are new to IM and aren't as clued up as some members.

There are basically two sort of people around here.

The one who are willing to work their butt off by reading, learning and sharing decent
informations. Also they never give up even when failing. On the other side you have the
type of people who are just lazy and want to get spoonfed. Few of them are making
money through scams.

I experienced several scams in the "Hire a freelancer" section but never bothered much
about the few dollars. If you want to make it huge and big I recommend you to go for the
honest and clean business. Fuck the messy stuff thats only for noobs with no brain.

For example:

Beginning of this year I got sued over a court and they turned my site off completly.
I also wont get into this business again as I do not want to have any troubles with
the big players out there such as Amazon, eBay etc.

The site and linkprofile was fully whitehat and has made a monthly win of over $10,000.
From one day to the other BOOOM my win was $0.00 per month.

You can imagen how fucking hard this was for me right ? I got pretty decent depressions
on the first weeks once I realised that its gone forever and wont come back. BUT ...

You know what?

I did not gave up and finally sit on my butt and started to think, work, read, learn, test and
finally I stepped up. Today I am banking again very decent per month and very happy again.

This is exactly what it is all about in my opinion.

On the other hand you have countless users desperate to make a quick buck constantly begging others for their methods, those seem like the ideal targets are they not?

BHW is pretty much the first forum anyone trying to make money online finds, and a lot of these newcomers know very little about IM or IT, and some of them even are desperately in need of the money. Then they find all the hyped journey threads and gurus that paint them beautiful pictures of easy future profits, passive income, financial independence. What could be a better place to scam people?

I'm not going to get too specific since the details might be considered "encouraging others to break rules", but there are members like nmgjinggege and meril91 who keep coming back with multiple accounts and "luring" new members. This occurs mostly in the Hire A Freelancer section, which is why you'll see so many banned members there.

Scamming will always be profitable as long as there are idiots who fall for the bullshit. I'd imagine some people will have made a pretty penny scamming people on BHW

It looks like you're looking for a complex answer, but the truth is it's simple.

Black Hat World is a relatively dark scene, hence the gold and black color scheme. The whole SEO game revolves around manipulating search engines for profit. Plus the term "black hat" is associated with malicious hacking.

That attracts a lot of bad people right off the bat.

So people flock here and invariably some of them will resort to scamming. And once they decide to scam, the path of least resistance is to just scam the forum you're most familiar with.

A lot of people on BHW are trying to learn how to make money online.

And most people learning to make money online are gualiable.

Scammers gotta scam. Question is, will you allow yourself to be scammed?

royserpa said:

Scammers gotta scam. Question is, will you allow yourself to be scammed?

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Wonderful contribution to the thread, Roy!

What the fuck man?

royserpa said:

Scammers gotta scam. Question is, will you allow yourself to be scammed?

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Does this apply to your shady sales thread where you're selling a $5k business for $26k? Serious question.

royserpa said:

Scammers gotta scam. Question is, will you allow yourself to be scammed?

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Floopa75 said:

Does this apply to your shady sales thread where you're selling a $5k business for $26k? Serious question.

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Can we do this somewhere else please?

Floopa75 said:

Does this apply to your shady sales thread where you're selling a $5k business for $26k? Serious question.

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Shots fired. I repeat, shots fired.

OP I'm on my cell phone. I'll type a real response when I get to my comp.

alwaysinvisible said:

Shots fired. I repeat, shots fired.

OP I'm on my cell phone. I'll type a real response when I get to my comp.

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Roy right now:

Just stick to trusted members, and you should be fine. Also before dealing with someone, always google their username (they might have scammed (else where) -- If everyone would do this, I am sure scamming wouldn't be profitable at all.

So OP, the reason people scam here is the same reason they scam anywhere else: because they can. It's not just limited to the Hire a Freelancer section. I've seen jr. vips with BSTs go down for scamming people.

It's always said that scammers are predators. They know exactly who they can draw in. Those are the kind of people they seek out. You can find them on any MMO forum. I'm actually a member at two other forums. One is WaFo and the other one is a forum run by a guy on WaFo. He wants you to pay like $1200 a year just to have access to the "real" information and tools on his forum. I'm a free member. I just look to see how stupid people are paying $97 a month to access information and tools on a forum.

I see the quality of posts this guy puts out. Just like any other guru, it's all "I'm awesome, I did this, I have a friend who did this and I convinced them to let me share their secrets with you. You can buy it for [insert price here]." He claims he makes his money offline, but really, he just recycles his WSOs every year. Updates them, puts them out again for the next string of newbies that join WaFo.

He even put out an info product about how to do the exact same thing he's doing. And he wants people to pay $27 for the product, and an additional $3000 to work with him. Because he's an "expert."

I watch these kind of people because it reminds me that scammers are not necessarily the shady people you see on SL that refuse to pay $12 for articles. They aren't always the kind of people who do stupid shit and get caught. Some scammers are sophisticated. They dress up their lies in pretty packages and sell them to unsuspecting victims under the guise of "helping" them.

Hell, I know two or three scammers who have been convicted of fraud and they're making a killing in IM. Again: pretty packages. They seem so sophisticated and genuine and down to earth. They put on these personas like they really want you to succeed online. They really just want you to buy their products and keep them rich.

TL;DR: A scammer will operate anywhere they can make a buck.