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SEO for CSS ~ Can I have a title above h1 tag?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by avery123, Aug 20, 2010.

  1. avery123

    avery123 Newbie

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    Hi guys,

    I need a white hat solution for this. I have asked many people now, & can't seem to find a definitive answer...

    I was wondering if it is possible to use special CSS tags above the h1 tag in order to use as a kind of "Master Header" (above h1).

    I am trying to make a Master header for my human visitors, but include the important keyword in the h1 tag underneath, to please GoogleBot.

    Please see this link to view the 4 options:
    www law-of-attraction tv/seo-question html

    [sorry, please copy & paste link into browser, then add the 3 missing dots]

    Thank you.

    Avery

    PS: I have already ruled out the "large type" h6 tag, positioned above the h1.
     
  2. dealhunter

    dealhunter Regular Member

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    Your title is your master header. The title is always above or usually above the <h1> tag. If you use wordpress and the all in one seo package you can get the extra blog title. Hmm hope this helps. John
     
  3. avery123

    avery123 Newbie

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    Hi John. Thanx 4 getting back to me on this.

    Just to clarify... I'm not using wordpress. It's a hand made HTML and CSS styled site.
    Also, the master header (if you see my link) is not a reference to the web-page main Header/Banner Image. It's just meant to be a Text Heading that's a bit more noticeable then the h1, and positioned just above it.

    It's meant as a title to be used on 3 or 4 pages that I want to look like they're all in the same section / category.
     
  4. bartemt

    bartemt Registered Member

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    Why do you think there is a problem having text above h1? I have had keywords h1'd in middle of an article styled with floats etc so that the h1 text looked like normal article text.

    It gave me a significant boost for those keywords without any problem.

    Is there some rule that nothing can be above h1 somewhere?

    btw very interesting stuff in the main page :p
     
  5. chockomonkey

    chockomonkey Regular Member

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    if it is going to contain keywords, i'd use an h3 or h4 tag. ipopbb did a case study here with tag rankings. If i recall correctly, h3 was ranked higher than h1.

    edit: By the way... ^^ i also enjoyed your page! I just got done going through the HeadFirst book on HTML and CSS, so i appreciate what you did there... asking the question with your site.
     
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  6. avery123

    avery123 Newbie

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    Hey thanks guys *

    and as for the mention of the thread by "ipopbb" ... just done a search:

    What on Earth did he do to test each tag? Looks very interesting.

    :) Ciao
     
  7. chockomonkey

    chockomonkey Regular Member

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    He explained it several times, quite in depth, but i never knew enough to fully understand how it was pulled off. Basically he has a ton of VERY simple sites with 100% unique keywords surrounded by various tags. He does a search in google for the keyword and sees how google sorts them all, because the only difference between all the pages is the 1 tag which he has placed the keyword in.

    Beyond this general explanation, he definitely has helped people get similar tests up and running... as i understand, it is really not THAT complicated, just something i've never looked into.

    Anywho, obviously you know how to use search (which is incredible for a new user, heh), but here's the latest Tag rankings thread..
    Code:
    [URL="http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/216921-july-2010-tag-rankings.html"]http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/white-hat-seo/216921-july-2010-tag-rankings.html[/URL]
    ..and here's the thread where he explains exactly how he pulls it off, and also give you the files to replicate it yourself.
    Code:
    [URL]http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/white-hat-seo/201739-search-engine-optimization-lab-tag-ranking-html-source-test-cases.html[/URL]
    Cheers
     
  8. accelerator_dd

    accelerator_dd Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Why not make it a picture. It's not like they would copy the title or anything. Googlebot doesn't read images yet. You are safe. Just make the background make it look like a title good enough for the visitors.
     
  9. avery123

    avery123 Newbie

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    Thanks again folks :)

    One thing tho... say the "image file" method gets the OK according to GoogleBot, but what happens if a competitor notices what I've done and decides to complain to Google?

    Can this actually happen? And if so, what are the consequences?