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Quick case study, Fred Recovery by removing keyword Alt Tags

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by german seo, Apr 15, 2017.

  1. german seo

    german seo Regular Member

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    As I already claimed several times, the Fred update is a general quality update targeted at overoptimized domains. One of the best working strategies seems to be, to reduce keyword density in general as well as keyword alt tags in special.

    Hereby I want to reinforce this claim, by showing the results from removing keyword alt tags and their influence of rating.

    This are 3 different pages on the same domain, targeting 3 different keywords. On 2 of them I removed the keyword alt tags and they got reindex within 2 days. While the third, without any changes stayed the same.

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    im gonna try it!
     
  3. mickyfu

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    Wait what is this now. You have gone from being a Fred expert, to a Fred denier and back to a Fred expert. Come on kid, make your mind up.
     
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    @mickyfu maybe he is this time right. my homepage without kw tag surpassed my pages with tag (that have way more links and relevancy etc). I removed them now, lets see

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    however i had kw tags before too and during that "fred" first updates i was still ranking. it happened really recently so i wouldnt associate it with fred if the kw case is real
     
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    I had one site in particular that lost a lot of traffic and has started increasing again recently, regaining a lot of keywords a day.

    Take a guess what I did to the site........Nothing.
     
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    You guys use tags? Tags were recommended to not use years ago due to it increasing kw density.
     
  7. german seo

    german seo Regular Member

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    No, I am saying the same over and over again. Fred is a Panda Update targeted on overoptimization.
     
  8. dbanjo

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    Case study? Proof? There are so many moving parts here, you've isolated nothing. Could have been anything, one of thousands of reasons. Likely nothing you did at all.

    If you really want to prove something, add the same alt tags back and document changes across all pages. Then remove again and document the same.

    If you can show consistent ups and downs on multiple pages, (even better multiple domains), that coincide with exach crawl/cache dates that would go some way to proper verification.

    What you've shown here is nothing remotely close to proof.

    But anyway, please stop trying to prove me wrong. Any sane person can understand that huge updates like this that affect thousands of websites are unlikely to be related to something so trivial as alt tags.

    If you had gone with keyword stuffing title tags or backlinks I'd be a bit kinder. But thinking some of the smartest minds on earth all sat in a room for months and came up with "Lets penalise all sites with spammy alt tags" means you are clearly not very bright.

    It's a lot like saying Google went after every webmaster using meta keywords, they moved on from that a long time ago. These things don't help one bit, so they care little about anyone manipulating them. Good or bad, for the most part, they are just ignored.
     
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  9. Peter Ngo

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    How is this even a case study? Now add your tags back in and see if it deindex again. smh.
     
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    Yup, I agree with you, this so called case study can't prove it all.
     
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    dam. like 300x. fred was NOT about JUST density or on page. it was either off page or some combined shit...

    reducing density and defucking your site is a 100% clear indictor that your off page anchors are fucked.

    I could have given you a ton of exmaples on my pet projects. but I killed them a few weeks ago ;)
     
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    so friendly today?
     
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    WHO said that? som morronguruseoblog?
     
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    Is it not true? Tags do increase kw density because the tags get placed in the page where you might not realize and you might end up over optimizing.
     
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    I believe the Fred update did target over optimization both on page and off page to some degree.
     
  16. aidenhera

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    exactly! with kw tag my kw is 0.60% and without 0.55%. thats probably the case
     
  17. german seo

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    I know myself, that my anchors are fucked up. Like 30% exact match on inner pages and branded on misc on Homepage. However, the exact anchor inner pages with exact didn't get hit this time around, just in February.
     
  18. darulez

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    yayaya...

    that update had also some "random" stuff mixed in. sadly cant prove that anymore cause I deleted those sites.
     
  19. corlito

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    Lol...alt tags. I never used tags on my moneysites but 2 of 5 my sites fucked by fred. I changed KD, disawov bad links, added new articles and more words to old articles...nothing not changed!