Internal Experience & Spotify Specialist

That sounds really interesting—especially your experience with the music industry and platforms like Spotify, I’d love to hear more about your insights.
 
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haminuit said:
There are a lot of proxy providers even on the forum market but not all of them have the same options so it depends on your configuration but it is very easy to find
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How much proxy capacity is needed to support 500 simultaneous devices?
 
It will also depend on your configuration and how much it consumes in gigabytes to generate monetized listening. I would say that a good configuration consumes approximately between $150/250 in proxy per month to supply 500 accounts.
 
haminuit said:
Here's my latest (quarterly) shoot.
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Hey, thanks for doing this. These numbers are insane, over what period has this been payed out?

haminuit said:
Spotify is fairly easy if you know your way around proxies, virtualization, Python, ChatGPT, etc.
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What do you use ChatGPT for? :D

haminuit said:
So the real problem isn’t Spotify directly, but the anti-fraud budget of your distributor
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So, do you have any particular distributors in mind or the mainstream ones are good enough because of the sheer amount of users so they don't care about botting that much?
 
haminuit said:
It will also depend on your configuration and how much it consumes in gigabytes to generate monetized listening. I would say that a good configuration consumes approximately between $150/250 in proxy per month to supply 500 accounts.
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Nice of you to share, but I was wondering if you use automation or let it play through the song!
 
haminuit said:
A lot of people believe that Spotify, Tidal, or YouTube Music are heavily investing in fake stream detection. The reality is different.
These platforms don’t spend much on that themselves – instead, they put huge pressure on distributors (TuneCore, DistroKid, CD Baby, Ditto, Amuse, Feiyr, etc.).

The deal is simple:
If a distributor doesn’t invest enough in anti-fraud, Spotify or Tidal threaten to cut their aggregation.
And without aggregation, the distributor can’t deliver music to those platforms anymore.

So the real problem isn’t Spotify directly, but the anti-fraud budget of your distributor.
Each distributor has its own tolerance level, depending on how much they spend on detection tools.
Some react immediately and delete at the slightest suspicion.
Others, especially bigger ones handling large volumes, turn a blind eye as long as it doesn’t risk their partnership.

In short: the risk doesn’t come from the platforms themselves, but from your distributor’s anti-fraud system. That’s the weak link you need to analyze first.
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do u have a solution for the distrubution service ?
 
idunthaveinternet said:
Nice of you to share, but I was wondering if you use automation or let it play through the song!
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I use tools to automate the activity, the goal is to remain as random as possible while appearing human. No, I don't simply let it be broadcast.
 
haminuit said:
A lot of people believe that Spotify, Tidal, or YouTube Music are heavily investing in fake stream detection. The reality is different.
These platforms don’t spend much on that themselves – instead, they put huge pressure on distributors (TuneCore, DistroKid, CD Baby, Ditto, Amuse, Feiyr, etc.).

The deal is simple:
If a distributor doesn’t invest enough in anti-fraud, Spotify or Tidal threaten to cut their aggregation.
And without aggregation, the distributor can’t deliver music to those platforms anymore.

So the real problem isn’t Spotify directly, but the anti-fraud budget of your distributor.
Each distributor has its own tolerance level, depending on how much they spend on detection tools.
Some react immediately and delete at the slightest suspicion.
Others, especially bigger ones handling large volumes, turn a blind eye as long as it doesn’t risk their partnership.

In short: the risk doesn’t come from the platforms themselves, but from your distributor’s anti-fraud system. That’s the weak link you need to analyze first.
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I have a very large catalog and manage 80+ artists split between multiple distros … I was going to just start streaming from liked songs , I heard no vpn is allowed on Spotify … anything else I need to know before I start? Or can I message you somewhere else like telegram
 
Pouletbmx said:
do u have a solution for the distrubution service ?
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hellas no me I am constantly looking for serious private distribution but it is complicated to find in general it is by nepotism like the world of work
 
djomar said:
I have a very large catalog and manage 80+ artists split between multiple distros … I was going to just start streaming from liked songs , I heard no vpn is allowed on Spotify … anything else I need to know before I start? Or can I message you somewhere else like telegram
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i don’t recommend to do. It is not worth ruining your catalog unless you know what you do and your plan. You have to establish clean setup first
 
adamantius said:
i don’t recommend to do. It is not worth ruining your catalog unless you know what you do and your plan. You have to establish clean setup first
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Can I message you … I’d like to go into details about my setup but not publicly
 
djomar said:
Can I message you … I’d like to go into details about my setup but not publicly
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I only do paid guides and it is a bit expensive. Also require investment in setup. If you are serious I am happy to assist.
 
adamantius said:
I only do paid guides and it is a bit expensive. Also require investment in setup. If you are serious I am happy to assist.
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I already have my setup set running for a year , I am not starting from 0 . I’ll send a dm
 
haminuit said:
Hi everyone,

Years ago, I was already registered here and closely followed the discussions about streaming. Since then, I had the opportunity to work in the music industry and see from the inside how a very large distributor that I cannot name operates. In particular, I got insights into their anti-fraud section and how these systems work.

I also studied in detail how Spotify (and other platforms like Tidal, Apple, Amazon…) detect fake streams – and more importantly, how to bypass these systems.

Today, I mainly specialize in Spotify, since that’s where I have the most data and experience.

If you have any questions, feel free to ask.
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dm me
 
Interesting background, man. Having real insider insight into how distributors + platforms flag manipulation is rare around here. If you’re open to sharing, people would definitely want to know things like:
  • what Spotify actually looks at first (IPs, devices, session behavior, ratios, etc.)
  • what triggers instant strikes vs. slow shadow flags
  • what most “streaming services” do wrong
  • what setups actually look natural to Spotify
  • how distributor fraud teams think when reviewing cases
If you’re really experienced in this lane, your knowledge could help a lot of artists avoid nuking their catalogs.
 
And regarding listener accounts, can you tell us about that? Do you create them? Do you buy them? What kind of proxy do you generally use? Is it possible to use only free accounts for streaming? And how do you properly warm up an account?
 
Interesting background, bro. Always good to hear from someone who’s seen the backend side of the industry.
A lot of people here still think Spotify fraud detection is just about “don’t bot too much,” but the systems are way deeper now device graphing, behavioral patterns, session consistency, skip ratios, playlist-source weight, etc.
If you’re open to sharing, I’m mainly curious about:
  1. Which signals matter most now? (device identity, IP diversity, session length, playlist entry, etc.)
  2. Is residential IP traffic still the safest or do they track deeper device fingerprints now?
  3. Are small-scale boosts (1–10k/day) safer long-term than high-volume bursts?
  4. Any changes you’ve seen in 2024–2025 compared to older detection systems?
Would appreciate any insights you can drop without exposing anything sensitive. Always good to learn from someone who’s been on the inside.
 
guys I need some advice on this, just released a song and Spotify totally ignored my pitch. How am I suppose to get my voice heard if we don’t get into editorial lists. I’m at a point where I’m thinking about ending my carer. Please I need advice and come connection with somebody with knowledge and network. Telgrm: inferno8686
 
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