Google update again?!

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My guess would be that google took a particular look into "health" related links and simply devalued all "DA above 90" links...

I meant "DA below 90".


Has anyone done any fresh linking since the update? Does it have any effect?
 
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I meant "DA below 90".


Has anyone done any fresh linking since the update? Does it have any effect?

Interesting theory. I am doing fresh high DA-Relevance linking into two days. Will update soon.
 

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Did any of you guys have a site which wrote about health or economics, but also other things? If so - did your rankings fall for the unrelated keywords too?

One of my sites that got "hit" is a general one that writes about health but also fashion. I noticed that also my fashion keywords tanked completely.

My idea is that the whole domain got hit and not only the health articles, as I would have expected.

Weirdly enough I got back to page 1 on some heavy health keywords, but only a few. Very strange.
 

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What I noticed:
  • Health sites obviously got hit, but so did other niches
  • Local and Global sites both got hit
  • Sites who have About Us pages and those that didn't both got hit
  • Sites that had natural white hat link progression, white hat outreach, and blackhat pbns all got hit as well
  • Long form content pages got hit as well as shorter article pages
  • Sites that have privacy policy pages and those that didn't both got hit
  • Sites with http and https both got hit
This should be called the armageddon update

Edit: Here's another article that attempts to analyze between sites via UIX etc. why sites may have lost rankings https://www.rankranger.com/blog/google-site-profile. It was at least entertaining to see how bad some big dogs lost their rankings...
 
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Did any of you guys have a site which wrote about health or economics, but also other things? If so - did your rankings fall for the unrelated keywords too?

One of my sites that got "hit" is a general one that writes about health but also fashion. I noticed that also my fashion keywords tanked completely.

My idea is that the whole domain got hit and not only the health articles, as I would have expected.

Weirdly enough I got back to page 1 on some heavy health keywords, but only a few. Very strange.

My site is general. My keywords got hit but longtails are still ranking.
 

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What I noticed:
  • Health sites obviously got hit, but so did other niches
  • Local and Global sites both got hit
  • Sites who have About Us pages and those that didn't both got hit
  • Sites that had natural white hat link progression, white hat outreach, and blackhat pbns all got hit as well
  • Long form content pages got hit as well as shorter article pages
  • Sites that have privacy policy pages and those that didn't both got hit
  • Sites with http and https both got hit
This should be called the armageddon update

Edit: Here's another article that attempts to analyze between sites via UIX etc. why sites may have lost rankings https://www.rankranger.com/blog/google-site-profile. It was at least entertaining to see how bad some big dogs lost their rankings...

Well, I think being a fashion enterprise niche website it improved after the update as we used to follow the EAT since from very long. Our website has the press release, About us, Blog and T&C, latest google GDR update and expert blog post.

maybe the update was health niche.
 

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Might be related to the Aug. 1 update but

"White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow told reporters at the White House on Tuesday that the administration is "taking a look" at Google search results."We're just gonna do some investigations, some analysis, that's what we do," he said."

https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/28/technology/donald-trump-google-rigged/index.html

Even Trump is not happy with Google's search results! LOL. He could be the game changer. hahaha!
 

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What I noticed:
  • Health sites obviously got hit, but so did other niches
  • Local and Global sites both got hit
  • Sites who have About Us pages and those that didn't both got hit
  • Sites that had natural white hat link progression, white hat outreach, and blackhat pbns all got hit as well
  • Long form content pages got hit as well as shorter article pages
  • Sites that have privacy policy pages and those that didn't both got hit
  • Sites with http and https both got hit
This should be called the armageddon update

Edit: Here's another article that attempts to analyze between sites via UIX etc. why sites may have lost rankings https://www.rankranger.com/blog/google-site-profile. It was at least entertaining to see how bad some big dogs lost their rankings...

Didn't read it all. But that guy seems off the mark.

#4: spine-health.com: If Google is penalizing for that style of ads then we're all doomed. Every site might as well be a .org.

He also mentions Health.com as content that doesn't align with the supposed objective of the site. Well, was businessinsider hit? Because they constantly post stuff that isn't business-related just to milk as much money as possible.

If Authorship is actually a big deal as well. Google is essentially turning the internet into a barrier where:

  1. You either need to be hyper-credible: aka drop 500k on a medical degree just to blog in the health niche; if I could do this I wouldn't need to blog would I.
  2. A popularity contest: People with articles, social media presence, and their face all over the internet; everyone knows the internet is for us recluses and Google is made by a bunch of basement nerds too... so that would really suck.
Should call it fuck the little guy update.

I'm hoping it's just an anchor text and aggressive ad update instead.

Might be related to the Aug. 1 update but

"White House economic adviser Larry Kudlow told reporters at the White House on Tuesday that the administration is "taking a look" at Google search results."We're just gonna do some investigations, some analysis, that's what we do," he said."

https://money.cnn.com/2018/08/28/technology/donald-trump-google-rigged/index.html

Even Trump is not happy with Google's search results! LOL. He could be the game changer. hahaha!

Honestly, that is not even open for interpretation. And anything you read from CNN relating Trump is, mostly, a lie.

Silicon Valley and the mainstream media lean heavily left, and there is no debate about that.

I was thinking the other day how this should also be called the feminist update, since I'm seeing a lot more rankings lately for female bloggers with their Genesis-themed clones of websites they all have. But obviously there are just a lot more female bloggers now.

However, I would be surprised if the search results weren't censoring conservative views when it comes to Trump. Since Youtube and every other mainstream media publication site already does it. But Trump doesn't give a crap about YMYL or internet marketers, so I don't see how that will help us.
 
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I want to share something too. I'm in Men's Health niche.
I got 2 websites both of them targeting the same kws (so I can dominate the serp, I thought at that time)
The first website was built around 2015, the 2nd on 2016
The 1st one was ranking very well 3 years ago and time passed by and it starting to decline to something like #60
The 2nd was ranking very well around 5 months ago.
After this update, my 2nd site lost around 50-60% traffic. (no about us page, but has policies&terms)


Weird enough, the 1st website is ranking #6 for the main keyword, back to where it was 2-3 years ago. This site has about page (200-300 words crappy one), contact page with only the form to fill. (no policies&terms page)
This web has only 5 pages! (that's already include about, contact page)
But the main page that ranks for the main keywords has like +200 comments

Eh? or having a lot of comments mean having something to do with EAT? no I guess.
Anyway I got lucky with this one. If you've any questions about the site please ask and I will answer (not telling the site url, of course)
 

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I want to share something too. I'm in Men's Health niche.
I got 2 websites both of them targeting the same kws (so I can dominate the serp, I thought at that time)
The first website was built around 2015, the 2nd on 2016
The 1st one was ranking very well 3 years ago and time passed by and it starting to decline to something like #60
The 2nd was ranking very well around 5 months ago.
After this update, my 2nd site lost around 50-60% traffic. (no about us page, but has policies&terms)


Weird enough, the 1st website is ranking #6 for the main keyword, back to where it was 2-3 years ago. This site has about page (200-300 words crappy one), contact page with only the form to fill. (no policies&terms page)
This web has only 5 pages! (that's already include about, contact page)
But the main page that ranks for the main keywords has like +200 comments

Eh? or having a lot of comments mean having something to do with EAT? no I guess.
Anyway I got lucky with this one. If you've any questions about the site please ask and I will answer (not telling the site url, of course)
It's pretty random, I saw a lot of top SERP sites without comments either, and I also saw sites with comments on lower rank.
But having comments definitely adding your post's content's length, so it help, but not the main factor in this update.
 

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The main factor in this update is money. August is the month when revenue is going down for everybody. Google is just trying to make some money and make everybody spend more money on Adwords. Look at the SERP instead of commercial pages we have blogs, Quora, documentation e.t.c. Lots of people are trying to get their business going by spending more on Adwords.
Google is a corporation and the main purpose of all corporations - make money! Forget about content, forget about UX, if Google's revenue is going down - you will have to pay for Adwords!
 

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@kaban: It's a zero sum game to some extend, sure, Google wants to make money with Adwords, but for every guy dropping and spending more on Adwords, there is someone rising and probably spending less. From the monetary perpective, ranking the huge brands lower and the small guys higher would make them more money because the big guys have a lot more to spend on Adwords.

@The Curator: Very interesting article, unfortunately I see loads of opposite examples, sites that are heavier on ecommerce and significantly gained rankings. So, an "overemphasis" (hard to define) on advertising could be a part of the puzzle, but from my impression, there is a lot more about this update.
 

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That is just for google analytics. Check under GWT if traffic went down. If GWT shows a drop then its a drop regardless of the reports in GA.


Also, here's some digging that I did.
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My website used to be on position3, but it has been pushed down to position 6. It was replaced by a domain that has no links and ranks for only 2 keywords. On top of that this site has no traffic and domain rating of 9 (as per ahrefs). Sure, google must have its own ranking factors, but ahrefs output is fairly credible as all other results (apart from position 10) are highly trusted domains and the report clearly shows that these are great domains.
So now all of a sudden, no-name sites (site #3 and #10) are popping in the results. What is more, 2 results from same domain are in these top 10... crazy mess. I see similar across other keywords as well.
 

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I want to share something too. I'm in Men's Health niche.
I got 2 websites both of them targeting the same kws (so I can dominate the serp, I thought at that time)
The first website was built around 2015, the 2nd on 2016
The 1st one was ranking very well 3 years ago and time passed by and it starting to decline to something like #60
The 2nd was ranking very well around 5 months ago.
After this update, my 2nd site lost around 50-60% traffic. (no about us page, but has policies&terms)


Weird enough, the 1st website is ranking #6 for the main keyword, back to where it was 2-3 years ago. This site has about page (200-300 words crappy one), contact page with only the form to fill. (no policies&terms page)
This web has only 5 pages! (that's already include about, contact page)
But the main page that ranks for the main keywords has like +200 comments

Eh? or having a lot of comments mean having something to do with EAT? no I guess.
Anyway I got lucky with this one. If you've any questions about the site please ask and I will answer (not telling the site url, of course)

Not surprised - the google handbook makes big point about considering "heartfelt comments" on forums (ie reddit). So I b.c. n your site has legit comments that would help you build EAT. I used to suppress comments on my sites but perhaps I should open it up and just cut out the spam every now and then.
 

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Has anyone noticed a possible tweak must've been made starting from this month as ranking seems to be coming up gradually.
 

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I suspect a negative seo attack and I quickly created and uploaded a disawow file around two weeks ago, however no improvement yet, I even tanked a bit more last week

Creating a disavow file is not enough. You need to get Google to recrawl all of those spam links so that it recognises that they are the ones you want to disavow.
 

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Creating a disavow file is not enough. You need to get Google to recrawl all of those spam links so that it recognises that they are the ones you want to disavow.


It's easy to have my links re-crawled but how do you get google to re-crawl those spam links?
 
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