Google update again?!

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by fb3003, Aug 1, 2018.

  1. redarrow

    redarrow Elite Member

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    i guessed a long time back

    becouse of all the bad news websites , that google is know doing proof reading .

    in other words if your website niche is telling the truth and google can prove it via it bots and resources your get heighly indexed .

    the only other thing I can see is that everybody shown randomly who deserve to be on page 1 .

    all I can think of , i dont think it google making mistakes....

    proof reading (( might be done manually , maybe that why everyone is indexed wrongly))..

    i dont think free indexed websites have any power anymore with Google , i dont think there any correct order , your be placed were seen fit randomly .

    I don't think as smart as you think you are with seo it mean anythink anymore google going with what it want shown randomly.

    I don't think you can really say today indexing stats will be the same as tomorrow indexing stats , game has changed.

    the world has changed , a lot of business are know going online or shutting down becouse of online business , this means there presure on google to show people what they want and try and cut the crap out.

    so a registred shop that gone online from the street will have higher priority then a free submitted website even if there seo is crap , makes sence to me , or there be no economy.

    also I think google so huge know that maybe we are all going to see website/ info from local ip location , so know indexing get ip locationised

    only my opioion

    so many street business from around the world are shutting doors and going online it scarry .

    nearly all my local shops are just food all the rest have gone online.

    I see empty shops every week , they just don't need a shop a website suit them better .
     
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  2. cedomir87

    cedomir87 Regular Member

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    Repeating KWs, you mean this?
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  3. Samogon

    Samogon Newbie

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    I've investigated that most affected websites were ones that require high authority to give answers/advices. Such as medicine, law, fnance etc... Its all about EAT and YMYL.
     
  4. Zbigniew

    Zbigniew Regular Member

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    I don't think so. I checked some heavy finance keywords in my country and the high authority finance websites are rarely on the first 1-3 positions. They are getting "beat" by larger sites that has nothing to do with finance. For example there is a womens magazine with huge fonts and less than 1000 words in the article that ranks #1 on a really strong finance keyword.

    Another #1 position on a heavy finance keyword is taken by a computers forum (!) where someone made a thread asking a simple question.

    The more I research on this, the more I believe in my initial post. Everything that seem to matter is amount of backlinks and domain age.

    A majority of top positions seem to have been taken by either domains with a huge backlink profile or articles that has been around for a long time, no matter their link profile. The articles are pure garbage and the only reason why I can see them ranking is because of domain/article age. Because they have a weak link profile that matches their weak articles.

    Surely this update hurts user experience.
     
  5. Samogon

    Samogon Newbie

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    Probably those websites of weak link profile have other signs of authority/trust? Maybe huge Facebook profile\social traffic, or it is real business that have its office, real authors, real feedbacks in google+, citations and mentions on websites, (although without ******** link) etc. ?
     
  6. markb9876

    markb9876 Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    So heres my contribution.

    Website has about 15 pages of good content, not thin. Not over-optimised, not keyword stuffed. Was ranking for about 40 decent KW's, a good website now a pile of crap.

    Thanks Google for doing it to a decent site. Site is about 9 months old, decent backlinks.
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    "Google Core Update: E.A.T. Makes a Meal of Sites Deemed Less Authoritative"

    "Google’s take is that websites who have suffered a hit from this update, are not being punished in any way and that there is not (necessarily) anything wrong with these pages. So perhaps on the SEO front, there is nothing that needs “fixing.”

    https://blog.searchmetrics.com/us/2...t-makes-meal-sites-deemed-less-authoritative/


    Just how the hell is a new website meant to survive???

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  7. Samogon

    Samogon Newbie

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    I totally agree with that dropped websites are not punished in any way at all. The point is that these websites have lack of authority (it is not a sin, that only means that your pages are not eligible to be shown on the top for certain keywords in a certain niche).

    The issue is What to do to rize your EAT?
    I believe that huge guest posting is cruscial for EAT but it seems that its not enough any more.
    Do any one have concrete ideas what to do?
     
  8. mtj85

    mtj85 Regular Member

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    This doesn't make a lot of sense.
    What prevents a user searching for something medical to go to #5 ranked website and check that website out and take their advice on a specific matter (even though they lack EAT apparently)?
    To me it would make sense to wipe out the websites that do not meet required EAT for giving medical information, not just degrades them for 2,3,4 or 5 positions down the SERPs. People that look for answers on particular health issue tend to read more than just 1 page when looking for an answer, meaning browsing to page #2 #3 #4 #5 etc, before deciding. It's like going to the doctor's. If it is a serious illness you always ask for 2nd or 3rd opinion even to make sure it's true. So what does this EAT actually do in this case?
    I still believe the update is link-related. Specifically in YMYL niches.
     
  9. Desert90

    Desert90 Senior Member

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    How do i know if my site got penalized ? I have some rankings for long tails but main KWs are gone.
    Will they come back ?
     
  10. markb9876

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    I think this is the problem as you quoted.

    I totally agree with that dropped websites are not punished in any way at all. The point is that these websites have lack of authority (it is not a sin, that only means that your pages are not eligible to be shown on the top for certain keywords in a certain niche).
     
  11. ZuppaSoup

    ZuppaSoup Registered Member

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    If it's penalized it will appear in search console. But as long there's no warning at search console and your URL still indexed (although your main KW is gone), then it's not penalized. A lot of people affected by this update, not just yours that missing ranks. Will they come back? No one knows about it precisely.
     
  12. markb9876

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    I'm getting the impression that this update makes your website more niche targeted. Rather ranking for a lot of keywords, seems like google is only allowing you to rank for a few keywords, and making the webpage more targeted on the subject matter. If this were the case, it basically makes room in the index for more niche websites, but fewer visits to each website, as not so many keywords the website will rank for.
     
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  13. K114a

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    I partially agree with you.Thing is E-A-T can be easily manipulated by every webmaster. Google knows it too. SO i don't think adding/ bragging experience, awards, etc will have any impact.

    Google’s Gary Illyes explained when evaluating E-A-T, Google primarily looks at links and mentions from well-known sources.
     
  14. ZuppaSoup

    ZuppaSoup Registered Member

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    Sooo... basically get quality backlinks?
     
  15. teris3

    teris3 Regular Member

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    My site dissapeared for the main keyword but its still there for few other long tail keywords...does this have to do with keyword overoptimization ?
     
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    sumonmsh Newbie

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    Google Medic Update Complete But We Are Seeing New Search Fluctuations
     
  17. LudusFitness

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    Everything went down here :/
     
  18. markb9876

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    Is this update mainly to do with quality of backlinks?
     
  19. kylngr

    kylngr Newbie

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    Yesterday they also made something about their indexing bots. all of the indexing has stopped approximately for 2 hours. even site:google.com did not get any new indexes.
     
  20. patadeperro

    patadeperro Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    Google updates their algorithm daily, so they are daily winners and losers, just follow the basics and you will be fine.