Does Botting Help Grow Your Channel or Does It Ruin It?

onlinemarketer12 said:
If you are using a source like mircoworkers, it will help the channel. Because those are real human views.
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There is no way to prove someone watched a video for X long though so if you are asking for 5 minute retention, a like, and comment. You will probably receive a lot of 20 second likes and comments.
 
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Twistler said:
For as long as I remember, people have always said botting a YouTube channel or social media in general is bad.
It's rare for me to actually see people saying botting YouTube is effective
I even often see posts here on BHW about people worried that they ruined their channel from botting.

To a sense, I agree with a lot of these people saying botting is bad. The question is the intentions of the botting.
Is the botting to manipulate the already f**ked up YouTube algorithm, or is it to brag to people the following that you don't truly have.
What are your thoughts about botting intentions? Does it matter why the user is botting or is botting just for people who don't deserve to get a chance on the platform.

Now that I got that out of the way, time to answer the main question of this thread, is botting YouTube effective?
I think this depends on one thing. Are you trying to manipulate the algorithm, or are you trying to manipulate people?
I have had luck in both of these departments as I started my channel off botting and I was actually able to trick people into
thinking I had more of a following than I did which lead to some great partnerships that in the end helped grow my channel exponentially.

After my channel started getting the initial boost from the botting, I stopped botting for awhile until I felt that I needed more of a boost.
By this time I had roughly 5,000 subscribers (~3,000 organic). I started botting my videos for a month or so, and by the time I stopped,
I noticed my videos were now getting the same amount of views when I was not botting, than when I was botting. Meaning the botting worked!

If I never botted myself and had success, I would have agreed with everyone that botting is bad, but like I said, I have only had success from it.
I have managed to get 2 viral videos (not shorts) with one video having 7m views and the other one having 3m views. I have also had many other
semi-viral videos with 100-900k views. Not only that but while I was active on the channel, I was getting 10k-50k views a video, and a large portion
of those views were from the search bar meaning botting DID NOT ruin my channel and my videos were just as findable as a channel that did not bot.

I often see channels worrying about ruining their channel from botting, and of course your channel will be "ruined" if you have 10k subscribers with 5 views a video
but in the sense of the YouTube algorithm, I have had no issues with my botting ruining my SEO and my channel.

So in the end, I have had success with manipulating the algorithm and not ruining my channel.
I wonder if a lot of the people thinking their channel got ruined from botting maybe just never had their videos pushed into the algorithm like a most videos.
Even if you're botting, the chances of the algorithm picking up the video is unlikely hence making these people think their channel is ruined.
From your own experience, has your channel ever been "ruined" by botting it? If you do not have experience, let me know your thoughts on this.
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botting definitely works, to push channels into YouTube recommendations.
YouTube money farmers use such methods.
there is a false narrative going on here about the negative effects of botting.

the point people don't understand here is that, there is an unofficial shadowban/sandbox related problem.
so when the views on the channel drops , people immediately correlate that with botting rather than the youtube "traffic limit" or "shadowban" BUG hitting them.
(this is because they don't understand about it).

when you deal with a large number of channels, the traffic limit/throttling issue becomes apparent.
 
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YoutubeScientist said:
botting definitely works, to push channels into YouTube recommendations.
YouTube money farmers use such methods.
there is a false narrative going on here about the negative effects of botting.

the point people don't understand here is that, there is an unofficial shadowban/sandbox related problem.
so when the views on the channel drops , people immediately correlate that with botting rather than the youtube "traffic limit" or "shadowban" BUG hitting them.
(this is because they don't understand about it).

when you deal with a large number of channels, the traffic limit/throttling issue becomes apparent.
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Exactly! Its hard to know if a "shadowban" exists when all of these people claiming to be shadowbanned because their video didn't perform as well as they thought.

proxygo said:
botting puts view numbers on your channel - with 0 interaction .
get caught , get banned
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It can also increase rankings if done right though
 
Cewgg said:
people repeating endlessly what they heard as a fact is a real issue on this forum. Content is king, duplicate content will get you banned, you need 1 proxy / account, YT / Google algo is all knowing god which knows what you ate for breakfast this morning, botting youtube doesn't work and only way to succeed at Youtube is upload videos daily for years and then expect the best that algo will pick your channel up... Or not. Well, if the goal is making money as slowly as possible then yes these may be correct. Everyone chooses their way, they may prefer cycling with bicycle on sidewalks, me I prefer going with new BMW on a highway
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Thanks man. Very solid answer. I think you are right. You have to question everything.
 
Cewgg said:
the goal is to bootstrap the initial growth instead of waiting and praying that eventually the algo will pick your channel up because youtube guidelines said so. In real life doing everything by the book is not always the fastest and best way to approach things. Life is not a school where you get good grades for repeating what has been told in the books. There is a reason why there are many content creators who invested massive hours into creating perfect content which is really great but no one watches it because the creator is lacking selling / marketing skills. And playing with youtube algos is one of the ways how you market your channel in 2023. Many great channels who took years to eventually blow up when it could have been months.

As far the botting goes some people are still living in the past with their techniques when signing up for SMM and throwing random views to the video worked to easily rank. Now that only is not enough in most cases and there are other factors in play which play bigger role when compared to earlier time and one of them which has decent weight is channel authority. The channel that is old, has many views and subscribers will rank above weaker channel. Discrimination? Not fair? Maybe, but this is how the world works so adjust accordingly and use that to your advantage.

One should invest their time into building personal accounts farm in their niche instead of buying random views blindly. Such views and account interactions are way way more powerful than random panel views. Personal 500-1k accounts farm will be relevant for a long time and serve you well banking hard with youtube while everyone else is busy crying how the algo is not pickup up their channels while they do everything by the book

I am starting to get more and more pissed off by people on this forum who pretend that they know how things work while in reality their knowledge is based off what they heard being told. It would help if they just said "I don't know for 100%, never tried it myself, but I heard that x doesn't work because of y." But they don't bother with that. Instead, they keep pushing their flawed beliefs as a fact misguiding others. The misguided continue doing the same and the cycle is endless. No wonder why it's so easy to manipulate people. Recent world events is a perfect example of that but I am not going into that now.

I wish moderators were more strict here about what is being told publicly. I see too many so called SEO's who have no clue what they are doing giving advice publicly which has no value at all. Not sure they even understood the questions asked or what they are writing. And the best of it? They sell SEO here lol. Protip: always check post history of the seller you are buying from. You will know what you are working with
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How can one build 1k accounts and utilize them without a bot? Or do you recommend a worthwhile bot ?
 
TheBigDog said:
How can one build 1k accounts and utilize them without a bot? Or do you recommend a worthwhile bot ?
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I have custom made solutions for me. On the other hand, there is many multi profile antidetect browsers on the market now
 
Cewgg said:
I have custom made solutions for me. On the other hand, there is many multi profile antidetect browsers on the market now
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Can you point us in the direction on how to get one customized for our use like you have done.?
 
the biggest diff is only on, does google know you bot or not. if they don't than help, if know than it will penalize, or ban your channel
 
YoutubeScientist said:
botting definitely works, to push channels into YouTube recommendations.
YouTube money farmers use such methods.
there is a false narrative going on here about the negative effects of botting.

the point people don't understand here is that, there is an unofficial shadowban/sandbox related problem.
so when the views on the channel drops , people immediately correlate that with botting rather than the youtube "traffic limit" or "shadowban" BUG hitting them.
(this is because they don't understand about it).

when you deal with a large number of channels, the traffic limit/throttling issue becomes apparent.
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HOw does one starting a new channel avoid this "BUG"? Drip the views slowly, consistently and progressively? SHould I use micro workers over bots?
 
as you said, there is nothing wrong in boting and is ok to give an extra push to your channel and here is the difference, you continue uploading consistently and uploaded quality videos, people thing that uploading random videos with little effort the will reach the glory and be famous botting 10k views or followers, my point is you never stopped trying to get organic views even if you bot and for what you said you never bot more than the ammount of organic followers you had at that moment, so botting is good but you need to be smart in how to do it, the wong usage of botting is when people abuse and increase more and more bots forgetting that when you get organic views the quality of the videos is what will make the retention of your new organic followers.
 
i friend of mine also have and gaming channel and he did bot/rank his videos until he did see that he gets lots of traffic from real people so he dont need to push videos anymore.
He did make a loooot of money from it. Also the channel is still worth very much money
 
CooCooCachooo said:
HOw does one starting a new channel avoid this "BUG"? Drip the views slowly, consistently and progressively? SHould I use micro workers over bots?
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a new channel avoids the BUG, because new channels get a fresh cycle in the algorithm.
 
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