8000% - Bitcoin? Good joke!

Everyone is in crypto, everyone observes charts and saying "mum, not now, bitcoin is raising" with their hard earned 30 bucks. Millions of people loads cash into crypto currency to get some fast 100-200% with amazing risk and zero control. That is sick! I haven't nothing against crypto, I am using it for transactions (except btc of course - fees). However, there are better investitions than crypto. A lot better and well described on this forum.

I cannot translate the article, because is very long and it would take me days to translate it in proper way.

Michal Szafranski, from Poland, blogger and ebook writer, has made ebook about home finance (very wide audience). He has promoted it via ... Facebook ads. Spent $50k, finished with $400k. I think it's better score than any crypto can give you, especialy he has made it in one month.
You can say: I don't have $50k, it's huge money. Of course, but he hasn't too. He has invested only $500 on start and started scalling it with cash flow. Some days he has 8000% net profit.

It can be lucky but bitcoin isn't lucky? I think everyone can repeat it with facebook ads, you need to get just good product, make great designed landing page, create funnels and you are better than these all crypto gamblers. Even you can get 100%-1000% net profits, it's better than cryptos. I bet that most of crypto gamblers not used their cash, they are investing, reinvesting but never withdraw dollars. They want to catch the train missed in 2012-2013. If you have 50 btc, do you think you are rich? You can say it when you have it in dollars. If you have it on wallet, every day can ruin your wallet. Instead of having own digital products and selling via social platforms.

Agreed. It's never profits unless you liquidate your coins.

Before all bitcoin fans will eat me, it was in The Lounge subforum

Lots of people will commit suicide trust me when BTC will drop. People don't even realize the risk and are flattered with all these medias pushing crypto to them

I WILL TELL YOU 1 THING! NOTHING IS BETTER BUT MONEY UNDER THE PILLOW COZ YOU REALLY HAVE IT SO DON'T BE FKIN STUPID AND THROW ALL YOUR GODDAMN CASH IN CRYPTO

One day people will realize it's all manipulation to get money off people's pockets. What big dogs do is pump coins with few millions of dollars so they hit the rankings on coinmarketcap etc well and after that they sell coins to stupid people

Don't be stupid people really.... As @vinku said. There are so much better opportunities, less risky then this

Mareslo said:

I WILL TELL YOU 1 THING! NOTHING IS BETTER BUT MONEY UNDER THE PILLOW

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Not even money, there is one thing that survived all eras and crisis's and is worth just as much now as back in the day (retrospect)..

GOLD!

Billy_Batts said:

Not even money, there is one thing that survived all eras and crisis's and is worth just as much now as back in the day (retrospect)..

GOLD!

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It's true, what will be first victim of next global crisis? Not dollar, not euro... crypto
People can and will do withdraw cryptos in panic to get real money.

vinku said:

It's true, what will be first victim of next global crisis? Not dollar, not euro... crypto
People can and will do withdraw cryptos in panic to get real money.

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Well In general just hate those crypto fanboys!

Pretty much every week new cryptos come out and every week the same questions. How do these people see the future with hundreds of different coins that all have their own gateway.

You expect companies, grocery stores that you can pay hundred different methods? Means hundred different wallets, systems it's an administrative nightmare!

Spend your fucking time in making money by hard earned work instead of this bs hype!

Once I get to the point I got some big bucks and believe me that will be end of the year I'll invest in some real shit that don't need a computer or internet, gold and real estate.

Billy_Batts said:

Well In general just hate those crypto fanboys!

Pretty much every week new cryptos come out and every week the same questions. How do these people see the future with hundreds of different coins that all have their own gateway.

You expect companies, grocery stores that you can pay hundred different methods? Means hundred different wallets, systems it's an administrative nightmare!

Spend your fucking time in making money by hard earned work instead of this bs hype!

Once I get to the point I got some big bucks and believe me that will be end of the year I'll invest in some real shit that don't need a computer or internet, gold and real estate.

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wise words by wise man! I'd like to give this one a big plus! Invest in real estates and in things that hold value and you can use them or milk them for years like renting an apartments and if you wanna hold money buy silver and gold!

Mareslo said:

wise words by wise man! I'd like to give this one a big plus! Invest in real estates and in things that hold value and you can use them or milk them for years like renting an apartments and if you wanna hold money buy silver and gold!

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Also for people who haven't money, I suggest to make digital content: books, software, graphics and sell it online. Not via SEO (it's very hard nowadays, but with ads: adwords, bing ads, facebook ads, email marketing.
Then you can think about real estate.

One guy from Poland is also digital content creator but his courses are weird, very old schoold about sex or penis enlargement. He is making SEO of course and mostly paid ads. What is amazing in this guy? He, not crypto gamblers, have 5 super cars and traveling over the world in luxury.

I cannot suggest affiliate marketing, CPA promoting, etc. It's not long term. It's good for warriors from other forum and thousands of kids. There is money in this industry but still you are dependend to 3rd party like ad networks or something like this.

Everyone has forgot that independence is true financial freedom, not dependence to crypto charts, instagram/facebook rules, CPA network conditions.

It's a message to whole BHW - shop owners (even dropshipping), digital content sellers are far more free than "traders" and marketers.
The biggest kings are real estate owners of course

vinku said:

I cannot suggest affiliate marketing, CPA promoting, etc. It's not long term

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I agree with most of it except this part.

CPA is where the big money is and offer might nog be long term but CPA as a method is however it's not easy to start with. You need a big stack because you be wasting it on analyzing data, split-testing, tweaking and it just takes skill to profit from.

Billy_Batts said:

I agree with most of it except this part.

CPA is where the big money is and offer might nog be long term but CPA as a method is however it's not easy to start with. You need a big stack because you be wasting it on analyzing data, split-testing, tweaking and it just takes skill to profit from.

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What is better?
-promote CPA product?
-make own product and advert in CPA network

Better to make fishes work for you or become one of fishes?

It's 2018 soon, so I can tell that 1 year is enough to:
-make own software, can be tools for fishes like MP or some other bots, it's enough to cover all social networks
-make 50-100 short ebooks, info products
-make some online course
-create 50 wordpress templates and sales page
-publish 50-500 mobile apps (depends quality)
-start and promote shop with dropshipping + email list

Then, what makes you feel better:
-having tons of products and possibility promote it everywhere?
-have possibility to use CPA but you need then work very hard every moment to keep your traffic

vinku said:

What is better?
-promote CPA product?
-make own product and advert in CPA network

Better to make fishes work for you or become one of fishes?

It's 2018 soon, so I can tell that 1 year is enough to:
-make own software, can be tools for fishes like MP or some other bots, it's enough to cover all social networks
-make 50-100 short ebooks, info products
-make some online course
-create 50 wordpress templates and sales page
-publish 50-500 mobile apps (depends quality)
-start and promote shop with dropshipping + email list

Then, what makes you feel better:
-having tons of products and possibility promote it everywhere?
-have possibility to use CPA but you need then work very hard every moment to keep your traffic

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We did not talk about what was better, we talked about long-term.

What is better is to own the CPA network

And you don't have to explain the rest to me I am working on an Ebook and service that I will sell and provide and it's about quality not quantity.

The core issue with bitcoin is there's no real use case for it globally since it's limited by it's own blockchain.

Many people are making a poor decision when they are going full time into crypto trading, it should really be a hobby and not something you invest all your time into as it's not a sustainable trading model.

1) Regulation is inevitably going to come in which will deflate a lot of the currencies
2) Going back to my original point; bitcoin for example only has 22 million coins in play(I think its around 22m?) - you can't develop any real use case for a global currency with such little currency.
3) Cryptos like emcash (Dubais own currency) are probably a better long term investment choice since they are government controlled and have a real use case - they will be used to pay everyday bills
4) The core model of ICOS right now is flawed, I saw a fiverr gig the other day selling ICO packages; so your own crypto, landing page, and fb ads all in 1 package...lol.

I'm seriously by no means an expert in this shit but I think no one really is and that's the point. Crypto trading should really be a hobby more than full time job.

Also for those that have brought the above fiverr gig, please for the love of god stop showing me ads to invest in your shady basement ICO. K thx.

Sorry, I am not agree with you. (until i cashout) lol
I am crypto lover and hodler

kasher9 said:

The core issue with bitcoin is there's no real use case for it globally since it's limited by it's own blockchain.

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Mostly disregarding OP's arguments (because comparing 2 entirely different methods is utter rubish), this is the main reason why I agree that either crypto/ blockchain as a concept might die in its comparatively early infancy or at least will be met with major hurdles along the way. Also, while there are many coins with great (theoretical or half-backed) use cases (which in several of them I have invested in), do we honestly believe they will grow to a point where they are the main currency for its respective market!? Going so far as to believe one of those cryptos will one day replace one of the major fiat, is highly unlikely.

Still, why not make some money on the way. I myself just like to believe in this future technology - whichever way it may or may not take form and benefit society.

vinku said:

What is better?
-promote CPA product?
-make own product and advert in CPA network

Better to make fishes work for you or become one of fishes?

It's 2018 soon, so I can tell that 1 year is enough to:
-make own software, can be tools for fishes like MP or some other bots, it's enough to cover all social networks
-make 50-100 short ebooks, info products
-make some online course
-create 50 wordpress templates and sales page
-publish 50-500 mobile apps (depends quality)
-start and promote shop with dropshipping + email list

Then, what makes you feel better:
-having tons of products and possibility promote it everywhere?
-have possibility to use CPA but you need then work very hard every moment to keep your traffic

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Making your own software requires programming knowledge.

Making ebooks require copywriting knowledge.

1 year is not long enough to learn this skill set.

Ok. Let's consider it

Ensili said:

Mostly disregarding OP's arguments (because comparing 2 entirely different methods is utter rubish), this is the main reason why I agree that either crypto/ blockchain as a concept might die in its comparatively early infancy or at least will be met with major hurdles along the way. Also, while there are many coins with great (theoretical or half-backed) use cases (which in several of them I have invested in), do we honestly believe they will grow to a point where they are the main currency for its respective market!? Going so far as to believe one of those cryptos will one day replace one of the major fiat, is highly unlikely.

Still, why not make some money on the way. I myself just like to believe in this future technology - whichever way it may or may not take form and benefit society.

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I think (or at least I hope) the OP was comparing the 2 earning models down to the fact that people are giving up their affiliate earnings to switch to crypto trading. It's particularly bad in other digital communities where certain guys were pulling 6 figures/month from media buying and decided to switch to crypto.

This is stupidity imo, no matter how bored I get of affiliate marketing I always keep it ticking over for my bread and butter...But thats just me and maybe I just like to enjoy my sleep instead of doing lines of coke over the next big pump on ethereum.

+ I think the OP makes a really good point in his (allbeit scattered) rant that there is far more money to be made in teaching crypto shit than actually trading yourself. I say this from experience: our most profitable affiliate campaign is a crypto offer.