:( Steelballs Shitlisted for $200

[royserpa]

jaz should be commended for showing restraint ive seen people banned after a week shit list
this guys had a month. and i thought steel was one of the reputable ones.

Exactly buddy!

Thats what I am talking about!

Jazzc, just a suggestion man, it doesnt matter who we are in the sl, we are all human beings and should be treated equally. Doesnt matter if if its a $10k or a $10 scam, we should treat them as equal; not that i am against steelballs or someone, but really man, giving a $10 refund is as easy to do as a $10k refund, if paid through paypal.

Not that i am judging you jazzc, but really if you or me were shitlisted for $200, both can easilh give the refund in 3-4 clicks man. I dont know what the reasons of steelballs are of not giving any refund man, but as i say, giving a refund is done in 3-4 clicks, unless steelballs mwkes 1 click each week that could be the reason the reason this SL is over a month buddy

Anyway jazzc, please consider this as an opinion from a fellow bhw mwmber

 

[Black.Cat]

This is my own opinion and not the mods or BHW's - just want to make that clear.

Refunding is 3-4 clicks if you have the money. However, some providers who get SLed are short on cash or have receivables that may help them in refunding. My opinion is that the judgement call here is right. Give the man a chance to collect money and refund because that's the most important thing. This way, BHW can safely say at the end of the SL that all attempts have been given to the accused member to set this straight and that the ban was just.

If you've read Kimi's case, you'd see that he/she couldn't pay up front either but long after the ban was issued, was still issuing refunds.

In some SLs it is easy to determine whether the member would try to redeem himself or not. In some, it is not so easy. A judgement call has to be made. And I think that the judgement made was very much in line with the goal.

If I were the accuser, I probably wouldn't want the mods to be jumping the gun too because tempbanning would provide less incentive for the accused to set things straight - if he has plans on doing so.

A POSSIBLE scenario is: the accused is collecting money to refund people. If his only incentive is his BHW account, then he would gain nothing by refunding after the tempban - unless he is a very honorable person who would do that just to clear his name on do the right thing to his/her clients.

 

[OldSalt]

This is my own opinion and not the mods or BHW's - just want to make that clear.

Refunding is 3-4 clicks if you have the money. However, some providers who get SLed are short on cash or have receivables that may help them in refunding. My opinion is that the judgement call here is right. Give the man a chance to collect money and refund because that's the most important thing. This way, BHW can safely say at the end of the SL that all attempts have been given to the accused member to set this straight and that the ban was just.

If you've read Kimi's case, you'd see that he/she couldn't pay up front either but long after the ban was issued, was still issuing refunds.

In some SLs it is easy to determine whether the member would try to redeem himself or not. In some, it is not so easy. A judgement call has to be made. And I think that the judgement made was very much in line with the goal.

If I were the accuser, I probably wouldn't want the mods to be jumping the gun too because tempbanning would provide less incentive for the accused to set things straight - if he has plans on doing so.

A POSSIBLE scenario is: the accused is collecting money to refund people. If his only incentive is his BHW account, then he would gain nothing by refunding after the tempban - unless he is a very honorable person who would do that just to clear his name on do the right thing to his/her clients.

What he or any other member gains by refunding after a temp ban is to keep it from becoming a PERMA ban.

 

[Black.Cat]

I got the terms all mixed up. Sorry. Yeah, I meant permaban in the instances where I mentioned tempban.
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Thanks for the correction.

 

[proxygo]

kimi was making refunds b4 the ban and after, he wasnt banned for
not trying to refund, he was banned for abusing mods.

this is different for a shit list on going 5 weeks where steel has made no effort to refund -
no effort to make an arrangement - no effort to speak to the mods....

1 guy made the effort with a ban.

the other has made no effort even though salt has been kind enough to
issue 2/3 temp bans instead of 1 perma ban , and still nothing.

even if steel was having money issue he would have could have told
sneha / dgco2 via skype but has avoided pms and skype groups
dont make excuses for a person avoiding the issue

 

[Black.Cat]

I'm not making excuses for steelballs. All I'm saying is, every SL is different.

In the interests of those who lost money and time, a little extension wouldn't hurt if it opens up even a little possibility that the accused would return.

But your point, that he could have informed either sneha or djco2 via skype if he had any plans on remunerating them, is well taken.

 

[Dj Co2]

Steelballs is sick because of cold and chest infection.. He is not online on skype since the past 2 weeks and more. Last night I sent an email and he said that he has chest infection and he is been on medicines for more than 1 week. Because of the weather conditions he said that he can't even get outside of the bed. cold weather + chest infection has made the things more worse..

I thought this will help the affected parties here...

Are you Steelballs? You said the same thing 10 days ago TO which I posted a skype conversation screenshot TO which you didn't reply.

 

[proxygo]

Steelballs is sick because of cold and chest infection.. He is not online on skype since the past 2 weeks and more. Last night I sent an email and he said that he has chest infection and he is been on medicines for more than 1 week. Because of the weather conditions he said that he can't even get outside of the bed. cold weather + chest infection has made the things more worse..
I thought this will help the affected parties here...

point made - you sent him an email and he replied same day. which meant he was online
are you saying he couldnt have used that same time to email jaz or oldsalt
or the people he ows money to?? whats the difference...
ive had a chest infection and cold and a bad back walking with a limp for 2 weeks
but im here everyday and the fact he answered your email the same day says hes
online at points

 

[Peter Ngo]

Based on everything that has been posted here & the info I have received via PMs:

a) It is obvious that steelballs has to fully refund sneha based on his refund policy on his BST.

b) Regarding Dj Co2 's case, although steelballs did an extremely bad (to say the least) job managing that issue, he is right that he isn't obligated to change the order half way through - and Dj Co2 hasn't complained about the quality of the articles received that far. So, to close that case, steelballs has to deliver the remaining 12/16k words (on the original subject or a new one mutually agreed) or refund the difference - whatever he choses.

Steelballs will be temp-banned until the above happen. Depending on how that goes & everything revealed during the shitlist, the decision over steelballs ability to sell here and his account status will be determined and announced.

Have been ill for 2 weeks as mentioned, but jaccz ended this shitlist on 13th of Nov, this mean it was 2 weeks before he got infected. Let say now he can't do nothing but just replying email, he "used to"have 2 weeks to refund.

I dont thinki refunding would take more than 30 minutes.

 

[umerjutt00]

Are you Steelballs? You said the same thing 10 days ago TO which I posted a skype conversation screenshot TO which you didn't reply.

lol... I just posted some information on the topic and you are accusing me.. I am in no way defending him or associated with him... and I am not steelballs . I was just trying to help...

That's it.. I will not post on this thread any more.

 

[proxygo]

steel replied umerjutt00's email the same day - yesterday -
telling umerjutt00's hes got a chest infection - now in theory thats
fine hes ill -- BUT IN THAT SAME EMAIL TO umerjutt00,
not 1 thought to ask him to relay a message to bhw, the mods, this
thread or the waiting refunds. this has been going on almost 5 weeks

ive had Norovirus winter virus 2 weeks, im coughing up chunks
bunged up nose, chesty cough, im walking with a limp with a bad
back, but every day i spend 6 hrs doing my service because unless
i cant get out of bed with a bad back wich only happens now and again

a bloody chest infection doesnt stop a refund if he can reply to your email.
1 word [ excuses ] and i looked up to this guy as reputable
how the mighty fall

ill even stick my neck out here - this guy has been given over 4 weeks to
make a resolve, do u think a new member would get that long? i dont
my gut tells me, he was give extra time as a respected member
so much for that eh

 

[royserpa]

BUT IN THAT SAME EMAIL TO umerjutt00,
not 1 thought to ask him to relay a message to bhw, the mods, this
thread or the waiting refunds. this has been going on almost 5 weeks

With all due respect,
I smell bullshit here mods, I don't know anything about steelballs, but really, if he could send an email, he can log in to bhw or paypal, click those 3-4 buttons and send the refunds!

I really think that writing an email is harder than clicking some buttons on paypal, mods!

And even then, if he can't get on his pc/laptop/mac, he can use his phone (I am assuming he has one), and get the refunds made!

It's not that hard, guys!

Really, just think for a second, if he was going to refund these guys, he could have already logged in paypal or bhw, post here telling he would, or simply from his paypal make the refunds. As I say, and everybody knows, giving a refund can be done in 3-4 clicks without a sweat!

That's my point, guys!

Peace!

 

[KHer0]

Risking 5 years old BHW account, +1800 posts and +2800 thanks for 200$

This world is just getting weirder ! Seriously, some time I ask myself, are all people created with the same brain!

Come on Steelballs, you can't lost this account for 200$ !!! If it were me, I would pay 10x this amount of money even if I'm the one with the right. Just to save my reputation. Reputation can't be bought or sold !

Believe it or not, there are somethings more vlauable than money. And Reputation is on top of them

 

[notyourmatey]

it's always amaze me when people who owe money to somebody are suddenly ill and can not do few clicks in pp but are able to send a notice of their illness.

 

[davids355]

kimi was making refunds b4 the ban and after, he wasnt banned for
not trying to refund, he was banned for abusing mods.

this is different for a shit list on going 5 weeks where steel has made no effort to refund -
no effort to make an arrangement - no effort to speak to the mods....

1 guy made the effort with a ban.

the other has made no effort even though salt has been kind enough to
issue 2/3 temp bans instead of 1 perma ban , and still nothing.

even if steel was having money issue he would have could have told
sneha / dgco2 via skype but has avoided pms and skype groups
dont make excuses for a person avoiding the issue

100% agree with this. Steelballs is not playing ball at all and he is making a mockery of the whole system IMHO.

 

[HFlame7]

Guys,

Trust me, Jazzc knew how this would end as soon as steelballs pulled out his "Asian legal team" card.
He was just hoping that someone as reputable as steel would "see the light" if given multiple chances.
But, sadly, I think we all know how this is going to end.

 

[SnakePliskin]

Personally, I don't see the point in him ling over $200. I could pull that out of any account at any time. I don't see the point in him getting his account permanently banned by avoiding all of this thread after he's built such a respected reputation here over $200. I hope to see this worked out well for all parties directly involved.

 

[proxygo]

snake - with respect ill dis-regard most of what u said

snakepliskin
I don't see the point in him getting his account permanently banned by avoiding
all of this thread after he's built such a respected reputation here over $200.

rubbish - ive seen people try and play for time for owing 10/20/50 $
the amount owing has no meaning to the person owing it, hence him
playing the ill get my legal bull shit on you card.

dont defend a person who has had 5 weeks to login pp and hit REFUND
a person who has been on this forum several times in those 5 weeks and
not hit REFUND. a person who has time to respond to emails from a bhw
member but no goto pp and hit REFUND. hay even i liked the guy but the
i have a chest infection so im not online to speak to the people i owe
but at the same time reply to emails and still not REFUND....

if that doesnt paint a clear picture better goto spec savers

 

[Brainiac101]

Damn Steelballs! Depressing shit. But I think everyone here could tell from your first response on this thread you are so full of shit. Fuck law. Its only about doing whats right. Anytime someone starts to speel legal jargon, they are not doing anything except entrenching their position to stand behind.

Wake up man and just do whats right, else karma is very real and will come back many times over.

 

[SnakePliskin]

snake - with respect ill dis-regard most of what u said



rubbish - ive seen people try and play for time for owing 10/20/50 $
the amount owing has no meaning to the person owing it, hence him
playing the ill get my legal bull shit on you card.

dont defend a person who has had 5 weeks to login pp and hit REFUND
a person who has been on this forum several times in those 5 weeks and
not hit REFUND. a person who has time to respond to emails from a bhw
member but no goto pp and hit REFUND. hay even i liked the guy but the
i have a chest infection so im not online to speak to the people i owe
but at the same time reply to emails and still not REFUND....

if that doesnt paint a clear picture better goto spec savers

I didn't defend anyone. I get your point of view and that's fine, but don't start an argument over it and try to "paint a clear picture". With your grammar I'd have to DIG for a clear picture. The only thing I was saying was I don't see why he would do it. That's all. Don't try and pull me under the bus he's got himself under.