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:( Steelballs Shitlisted for $200

Discussion in 'The Shit List' started by sneha, Nov 9, 2013.

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  1. sneha

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    Lets start from the very beginning. After checking his article writing reviews on his service thread I decided to give him a bulk order of 50,000 words for my site worth $400. I sent payment in two installments [ $202+$200 ] $2 extra as he sent me $2 earlier. We decided each and every aspect of the project and he agreed to give me around 3 articles daily.

    After 2 days he sent me 3 articles but after checking all of them they were not good to read so I told him I don't like the article as they were having errors and all. He said he wrote those article of his own but I am damn sure they were not written by him, I read many threads of steelballs and they were written perfectly. After a long discussion he agreed to refund me. He send me $202 instantly and for the remaining $200, he told me to wait for 2 more days as he was out of funds. I contacted him 3 days later on skype. He said he won't refund as PP said this may be fraud and all bullshit.

    After 1 day I raised a PP dispute for $200 and yesterday PP decided in his favor. May be because this was virtual good :(
    Moderators please help to get everything resolved.

    [Note : He wrote 3X300 words which I discarded, I already said I will pay for those too as you wrote for me]
     
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  2. jazzc

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    Accused member has been notified.
     
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  3. sneha

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  4. Dj Co2

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    He seems to be an authority on the legal framework. Anyone who wants some legal articles written you should contact this guy!

    On a more serious note, I have submitted a dispute with paypal against him for the money that he owes me and I hope it will go in my favor as I have submitted along a very good argument.

    Steelballs you were talking about my 5 minutes of fame in your thread? Let's see your friends defend you from this now!
     
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  5. sneha

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    @Jazzc Please give steelballs a dead line otherwise he won't respond and this shitlist will remain open for a longer time.
    [ Note Steelballs came online 3-4 times after the shitlist thread but refused to come on this thread and reply.]

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  6. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    He has 48 hours available to respond, as is usual in the shitlist section. Any more advice you 'd like to give me?
     
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  7. steelballs

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    Once a buyer and/or buyers and/or a seller escalates an ODR to a higher legalized RC in this case PayPal. The very minute that RC is activated means the case is under judgement and becomes locked down by SJ.

    This is 100% how this case developed and in the court of international law both the buyer and/or the seller were restricted and not allowed to make public comments of any type ? content and/or description during 100% of the time judgement was underway in the PP ? RC ? Period.

    But both buyers saw fit to overrule and/or disrespect and/or disregard IL ? PP ? RC ? SJ ? Period

    In this way the buyer and/or buyers decided that they and/or he ? she and/or it (which covers 3rd party references) would not wait as is 100% required by IL to comply with SJ until such time as the PP RC had reached a judgement.

    The buyer and/or buyers rolled out an agenda in public right here (for all the world to see)
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/content-copywriting/578064-epic-writing-services-content-any-subject-topic-website-2.html

    The agenda is clear the buyer and/or buyers decided unilaterally to circumvent the IL and the PP ? RC to disparage and/or destroy the sellers reputation in public.

    This 2nd escalation in fact has worked this way I have had NO further business and the arguments are one sided as by IL ? I am aka ?me? am restricted by IL and SJ to raise issues in a public arena ? in this case the Internet while the case is being adjudicated by a 3rd party PP under IL ? SJ in the PP ? RC Period. But the buyer and/or buyers have made me out to be pariah ? charlatan ? scammer call it what you may. Please note the last sentence are not my own words just simply an aside referenced by how 3rd parties who are viewing this ongoing damaging scenario.

    Litigation Phase I

    In view of the ongoing harassment and public arena agenda ? using the Internet as a public attack mode against - ?me? to dismantle my business and make personal attacks on - ?me?. 3rd parties collectively say I am being made out to be a pariah ? charlatan ? scammer call it what you may, because the buyer and/or buyers have launched this attack.

    At this moment in time this - Litigation Phase I ? is not being taken to an IL court for adjudication at this time and is hence as of now, not subject to SJ. Hence this Litigation Phase I is dealt with 100% separate to the above PP issues buyer and/or buyers and the seller. Again as made by 3rd party comments the ongoing harassment and public arena agenda ? using the Internet as a public attack mode against - ?me? to dismantle my business and make personal attacks on - ?me?. 3rd parties collectively say I am being made out to be buyer and/or buyers have made me out to be a pariah ? charlatan ? scammer call it what you may.

    My Asian legal counsel are now being engaged and will be vigorously pursuing litigation claims against the two protagonists resulting in firstly a substantial claim for damages et al. Plus my Asian legal counsel are assessing and determining which if any criminal charges will be levied.

    To BHW ? to the Mods ? to DD to the Admins and all fellow members it is a privilege to be a member of this great forum BHW. But the reality is that this SL is a very serious business where with less than a fraction of 1% reservation out of 99.99% belief, it is blatantly clear that the two protagonists are in fact working in concert to use BHW as a masking ADR center and/or by pre-planned deception using the ?good offices of BHW to destroy a mans business and/or reputation by using the public arena presence of BHW as an Internet conduit to destroy an individual and/or a business including unqualified tactics and methods to ? one more time - have made me out to be a pariah ? charlatan ? scammer call it what you may.

    I will leave it to BHW to decide what action to take but rest assured it is wrong that faceless people can blatantly use the ?good offices? of BHW to destroy a man?s business and personal reputation. This is no way to resolve a LofC dispute when they decide on a whim, unilaterally to circumvent the IL and the PP ? RC to disparage and/or destroy the sellers reputation in public.

    Please Note that I kept the BHW Mods informed from the get go of all the events as they happened in real time with these buyers and as such kept the BHW Mods fully in the picture. But the buyers were not up for negotiating a settlement. Attack was the buyer's modus operandi they wanted to attack and immediately rejected a settlement and raised disputes on PP. At which time they then deemed I was the guilty party and decided to pour vitriol - disparaging - damaging remarks all over my BST

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/content-copywriting/578064-epic-writing-services-content-any-subject-topic-website-2.html

    At which time - enough is enough and I decided to defend myself!

    Legend

    SJ ? meaning ? Sub Judice ? more - The sub judice rule regulates the publication of matters which are under consideration by the court. Matters are considered to be sub judice (Latin for 'under judgment') once legal proceedings become active. This applies in this case as the Buyer rejected negotiations to resolve and almost instantly (in less than a day) escalated the ODR to be judged by PP as per PP ToS Resolution center.

    PP ? meaning ? PayPal.

    ODR - meaning ? Online Dispute Resolution.

    RC ? meaning ? Resolution Center
    Pariah ? meaning - A social outcast: "Shortly Tom came upon the juvenile pariah of the village, Huckleberry Finn, son of the town drunkard" - The Adventures of Tom Sawyer by Mark Twain 1903.

    In Concert ? aka Act In Concert recognized by IL as a legal term ? including but not limited to - accord, accordance, agreement, alliance, coaction, coadjument, coadjuvancy, coagency, coalition, coefficiency, collaboration, combination and more et al.

    LofC ? meaning ? Law of Contract

    ADR ? meaning ? Alternative Dispute Resolution

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    NB ? I would like to make late delivery delay apologies to 2 clients (the only 2 clients with ongoing orders,) ? Alen and Max thanks for your patience and support. I am working on your content. The above unrelenting personal attack has destroyed my business and client base? needless to say my productivity output has all but stopped ? as this has taken all my time, suffice to say loss of time means loss of money! But worse still late deliveries sorry again Alen and Max!

    Summary

    Does anyone see any similar patterns in this thread

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/shit-list/542325-jr-vip-using-my-bst-sales-page-designs-samples-resell-another-jr-vip-member.html

    Or understand how a BHW member can have a BST thread when neither a Donor and/or Jr VIP

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/seo-other/561859-yahoo-answers-level-2-level-3-accounts-sale.html

    Strange world indeed...
     
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  8. sneha

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    Complete BS whatever written up there. Let law be where it has to and we go with Common Sense.


    I paid for Goods/Services and I didn't recieve it.


    What do I do? Abide by the law-listic dumbfuckery?


    Please Pay up ASAP!
     
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  9. Dj Co2

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    "Please Note that I kept the BHW Mods informed from the get go of all the events as they happened in real time with these buyers and as such kept the BHW Mods fully in the picture. But the buyers were not up for negotiating a settlement. Attack was the buyer's modus operandi they wanted to attack and immediately rejected a settlement and raised disputes on PP. At which time they then deemed I was the guilty party and decided to pour vitriol - disparaging - damaging remarks all over my BST"

    When did you ever offer me a settlement?

    Here's how it all went

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    Did "I will send you an email on sunday" count as an offered settlement? I don't think so!

    Here's the email I received from you on Sunday

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    I don't think your thread to take me to the court of law count as a settlement either

    Here's my reply along with your next email after seeing which I sent a PM to WizGizmo on BHW and submitted a post on your thread

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    When you still weren't willing to come on skype and talk to me about it, I went ahead and opened a dispute on paypal
     
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  10. jazzc

    jazzc Moderator Staff Member Moderator Jr. VIP

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    @steelballs

    For each person separately, I want you to state the following information:

    a) When was the work commissioned
    b) Was the work fully delivered and if it was not fully delivered, when was it partially delivered and how much of the work was done.
    c) If the work was not delivered fully, what was your action? Did you ask for more time, did you offer a refund, something else you suggested? And what did the buyer respond to your request?
     
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    Thread cleaned. No more violations of SL rule #4 - warning/infractions will be issued.
     
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  12. steelballs

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    Thanks jazzc...:)

    @steelballs

    For each person separately, I want you to state the following information:

    a) When was the work commissioned

    Buyer S ordered 1 order in 2 payments (which was a messy deal as the buyer needed me to send money to fix the buyer?s PP) both payments $202 and $200 on Oct 20.
    Buyer D ordered 2 times once for $180 USD on Oct 20 and $45 USD on Oct 21?

    b) Was the work fully delivered and if it was not fully delivered, when was it partially delivered and how much of the work was done.

    Buyer S was delivered articles (on schedule) which the buyer ripped to shreds saying ? blah ? blah ? quoting a raft of disparaging remarks helps no one. The buyer blasted I want a refund I refunded $202 on request, and to keep everything in order I asked for time to pay the other $200. But Buyer S was having none of that and opened a PP dispute.

    Then I made some BHW checks to find Buyer S was a previous BHW scammer.
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/shit-list/542325-jr-vip-using-my-bst-sales-page-designs-samples-resell-another-jr-vip-member.html

    At this time my PP account was compromised for the first time since I opened the PP account in 2000. Buyer S had raised a PP dispute.

    Even though I had said this
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    ? quote - But escalating the issue now at BHW and/or PayPal is just plain stupid as you will likely stop me earning any money and that would be 100% malicious. Resulting in more problems all round and of course if that were to happen NO MONEY would ever be returned as you will have ruined my business. Bearing in mind you are 100% responsible for this sorry mess you have made?
    I want this all sorted out as I have never defaulted that is not the way I conduct business

    This was all sent to BHW Mod as it happened
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    Needless to say when anyone breaks a contract - I decided to defend myself in the PP resolution center.

    c) If the work was not delivered fully, what was your action?
    Did you ask for more time, did you offer a refund, something else you suggested? And what did the buyer respond to your request?

    Buyer S - I offered a full refund that was rejected because the buyer's agenda was to destroy both my BST and/or my personal credibility and reputation. Since the buyer rejected all offers to settle and raised a dispute with PP. The bottom line is the buyer did not want to accept a 100% settlement?

    At which point as Buyer S had launched a vitriolic and disparaging personal attack on me. I thought guess what even a worm will turn! Yes the worm c'est moi turned and as is my right I decided to defend my business

    Buyer D ? (Who by this time I was 99.9% certain was working in concert with Buyer S) tried this strategy placed an order for $180 ? then quickly said he/she had a rush order for 5000 words which I was paid $45 USD - I fast tracked delivery within the set delivery timeline.Then I started delivering the $180 delivered 1000?s of words then ? Buyer S said my work was rubbish and wanted a partial refund (a trick as old as the hills the seller pays a partial refund) then what happens the buyer gets a partial refund still leaving the $180 laid bare so they then raise a dispute to get the $180. Called a double whammy? the seller gets a double hit he releases a partial refund and then gets slapped with a dispute for the original in this case $180 USD ? It was clear, I had once again been set up to get hit for money in a planned scam!

    The law of contract is clearly defined and cannot be broken by any of two parties in all agreed contracts (Unless any variation order is legal and agreed by both parties ? but both parties have a 100% obligation and commitment not to damage and/or disparage either of the parties, during 100% timeline of the contract from A to Z namely from date of payment to 100% delivery of service)

    Buyer D raised a dispute with PP then as per the buyer?s agenda attacked my BST.

    In real time I sent the BHW Mod all this info on 11-04-2013, 11:36 AM

    Then Buyer D did this
    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/content-copywriting/578064-epic-writing-services-content-any-subject-topic-website-2.html#post6229523

    Please note all my responses are delivered with respect and while all this is going on I am subjected to a torrent of abuse the latest being that I 'STOLE' - which if it was true means "I AM A THIEF"

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/content-copywriting/578064-epic-writing-services-content-any-subject-topic-website-3.html#post6252656

    Has no one around here ever heard of Sub Judice - oh sorry silly me only the hundreds of thousand of honest BHW and Mods - Admin et al - would know of the word. The rest who do not know... well guess what I cannot say as the BHW rules say no disparaging is allowed...
     
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  13. sneha

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    Date of Ordering : 20th October (Ordered 50,000 words)
    Date of Receiving articles : 22 October, Received 3 X 300 words article= 900 words[ Discarded as they were of poor quality.]

    Sent a total of $402, he refunded me $202 instantly and told me to wait 2 more days to refund remaining $200.

    Skype Proof :
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    Refused to Refund

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  14. sneha

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    Do you really think I am attacking your BST thread. You were my inspiration and you just dissolved all your reputation just because of $200 bucks. I am really disappointed from the great Steel balls :(

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    @steelballs & @sneha

    When was the Paypal dispute submitted?

    @steelballs & @Dj Co2

    When was the Paypal dispute submitted?
     
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  16. sneha

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    It was submitted on 27th Oct
     
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    It was submitted on 5th November.

    @ Steelballs, I never called you a thief, I never said you stole anything. You instead, here (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...-any-subject-topic-website-2.html#post6229523) called me a liar, a fraud and a backstabber.

    I made 2 orders to you, the first being for $180 which you were going to deliver over the period of 21 days (this was on October 20th). Then I got an order from a client for which I needed some content, so I made another order to you of $45 which I requested you to deliver asap which you did, I'm not denying that (this was on October 21st and you completed the order by October 24th).

    On October 26th, you sent me the 1st batch for my first order. On October 28th, you sent the 2nd batch and the 3rd batch you had sent by November 2nd.

    By that time, my client had edited the order so I had to edit my order as well. That's why I contacted you to ask if you could offer a refund. After that I received your email and then all this started.
     
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    @sneha

    On your Oct 26 Skype screenshot, steelballs told you to read the emails. Can you post the relevant mail to that conversation? (if it contains sensitive information, PM me instead).
     
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    Pm sent...
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    @steelballs

    Are you challenging the validity of the dates posted or of the screenshots?
     
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