Service on BHW doesn't work anymore

[Spawnie]

This is Blackhat and so are the members...
Its called misleading advertising in the real world and forbidden in most countrys - online you have to use your common sense...

 

[sahilsxy29]

But again this is another aspect were some sellers are being dishonest, I see one fucking guy one minute he is selling links from Russian networks, then all of a sudden when shit hit the fan and his clients were complaining he SUDDENLY finds some "under radar" English networks!? damn that was quick! dafuck how buyers fall for this bullshit perplexes me!

I see what you did there wned:

 

[binaryking]

Don't blame them for using misleading words, they are IM. They have to make something that's believable. Like most affiliate, even though you haven't tried the products, but you still write reviews like you are master of all LOL

I laugh so hard at this point.

 

[PrinceVisi]

Reputation is meaningless, do not attach any importance to it, and people can buy positive reviews.

Interview the provider like the prospective employee he is.

You are right. Interviewing is the best thing.

 

[wackiin]

Ive tried 2 of the services here for Seo to my videos to save me time and both of those did nothing I just wrote it off as a loss and will do it myself from now on.
There are good providers here in other areas i use weekly though.

 

[antichrist]

If you around buying SEO services without knowing SEO

You WILL fail

I spend thousands of dollars on many different types of links from the BSTs here. I rarely actually take the time to read the BST and scroll down to see what I am getting. I care about types of links and quality of links, not the bullshit.

 

[Duffers5000]

You would be better off following this advice.

Get a shitty service then dont be scared to say it. Saying that all BHW services are shit is a cop out. I agree there are plenty of services that look shite. There are members selling services that six months ago were only learning how to build backlinks. Theres lots of due diligence you can do but it helps if you know seo and know exactly what you are buying and where you are pointing.

If you dont know anything about seo you can at least google the sellers skype id and see how many fantastic sales threads they have opened on every other forum(not many sellers sell exclusively on BHW)

I suppose the arguments will come down to who got shafted and who didnt. Personally I have had a good run with services. I estimate 25% crap but the 75% that worked have been very good.

One of my major sites just got googlebombed yesterday...completely wiped out for nearly 50 keywords(2 are creeping back today) If I had purchased a service for it recently I could draw a correllation and moan about it. I didnt and I accept that googles business policy is to drive us all to use adwords. So if you get that page one feeling you will be getting slapped at some stage no matter what you do.

I will be chilling on that site for a week before I work out my rebuilding plan. I will get it back to where it was, I will do a lot of manual stuff myself but I will outsource the rest to the marketplace because lets be honest building backlinks and social signals is a pain in the arse.

I was once asked to review a service.
It was an article writing service.
When I received the review copy it read as if it had been written by a dyslexic 3 year old.
Rather then post a bad review which I believe would've been unethical I refused to post one.
However further down the line when outrageous claims were being made about these articles
I had no option but to post my opinion which wasn't to the vendors favor.
I probably put him out of business but surely if a service doesn't provide what it professes it
is our duty to give our honest opinion (preferably backed up with facts) to the other members
of this forum.

If the Op has evidence of any untoward claims or lies made by BST vendors he has the option to post
his claims in the said vendors BST thread or use the Shit List.

 

[SpiderBlast]

When I was in direct sales we always used to say, "The easiest sale is to another salesperson because they
already know the dance so we don't have to teach them the tune.".

Thats interesting. I understand your executive VIP but I come from a family of salesman (4) my 1 brother
does direct sales training for a living, and every sales person I've spoken in my life to has said the complete opposite.

In fact, I haven't heard that saying once my entire life.

What I HAVE heard is:

"Salesman are the hardest to sell to because they already know your rebuttals, your fear mongering, your fake
guarantees, etc etc".

I can also speak from real life experience. I've seen my brother called hundreds of times by telemarketers, and he
winds up trying to sell THEM something. He will keep them on the line just to fuck with them and exploit their entire
pitch. Like "Johnny, you're saying your warranty is good for 30 years but your company has only been in business for
4 years...." on and on until the "salesman" winds up hanging up the phone.

There are many different types and breeds of salesman. Salesman who sell furniture, salesman who sell tvs, salesmen
who sell SEO (who aren't really salesmen in the first place if you ask me) then there are the real salesman who sell
$100,000 additions, or a $40,000 kitchen remodel. These are the guys who can walk into a home for an hour, and
leave a few thousand dollars richer.

So the problem as I see it, very few people who work in sales, actually know shit about selling. Maybe thats why you
think they're easy to sell to. But when you find a real salesperson, who does high end sales, who lives and breaths
direct sales for a living, who's been trained by guys who sell over $100,000 / month in whatever industry their in,
you're not going to "sell" those types of people anything. It will be the hardest sale of your life. They will critique you,
they will criticize you, they will call every one of your bluffs, they will force you show your entire hand, then they will
negotiate the price down so low by the time they leave you'll be asking for a new job.

When I search gigs on this forum I spend about 5 seconds reading the first page copy. Then I spend most my time
reading reviews. I look for repeat customers, I look for people posting ranking reports, and most of all I look for complaints.
I never contact the seller, I contact people he's sold to. People who may have ordered recently but didn't leave a review.
Thats what a real salesman does (online at least). For any larger investments I make (offline), I will get phone numbers
of previous customers, I will call them one by one, I will grill them, I will known damn sure before I drop a dime what
I'm getting involved with.

I never take any vendors word to mean anything, and I always make that effort to do "market research".

As far as the thread goes, I think the OP should take a research course at his local community college. The skill of research
is one of the most valuable assets a person can have (aside from the ability to sell). The few SEO services I've ordered on
here (for YT videos) have gotten all my videos on page 1 of google. When I need website SEO, I go to WF. For 2 reasons.

1) Its a much more competitive marketplace. Competition is a good thing. It means more traffic, more buyers, more chance
to make money... but most importantly, more leverage to do market research.

2) The general morale, as far as SEO goes, is much higher than BHW. Afterall, this is a blackhat forum. I'm not saying BH
is bad. The guy I currently use for all my sites does BH SEO. But he has over 3 years worth of feedback and gets like 1
complaint every 6 months. He has years worth of excellent feedback. You can contact his customers and all of them say the
same thing "xxxxx is awesome, one of the hugest assets to my business".

I'm sure there are guys like that on this forum, but I've never needed to find one. I just use BHW for YT videos because spam
ranks videos, so when I need spam, I come here. When I need to build a business, I go to a person I trust. A person who I
researched for **6** months straight before I ever spent a dime on his service.

Anyway, my point is, 90% of the "sellers" posting SEO services... aren't salesman. And most buyers have no idea how to do
basic research. You don't look at a threads rating and decided "this gig must be good". You take your time, one by one, reading
every review in a gig, contacting people by pm, grilling the seller with hard questions. And you do this for multiple gigs at a time.
Then you start getting pms back, you take everything into account, put it on a scale, and make a calculated decision. The more
time you waste doing research, the less risky your investments will be. Thats how it usually goes in life.

And if I had to guess how many buyers go through a process like this, I'd say its less than 5%. Which explains why you see
threads like this. Bitter, jaded people who throw their money at SEO sellers like you'd see at a roulette table.

-SB

 

[rayee]

Do you know why I skip the reviews and bullshit? There was a couple of times where I purchase from BHW (SEO - Link Building) and I posted the results with real graphs and a neutral comment. The results weren't fantastic and was showing the drops in rankings after a month. The seller PMed me quickly and asked me to remove. I refused to remove as it was an authentic comment. He then offered to refund if i removed which I did because if i could get my money back, why not? And this was for a reputable seller that was mentioned in one of the comments in the thread.

 

[Patel]

If I had to guess, I would say 75% of these guys are outsourcing the orders they get here. For the best links, make them yourself.

 

[Invoker]

Looks like the sale pitch got the better of you

 

[mickyfu]

Every service on BHW claims to bypass Google and can beat Google's updates. However, it proves not to be so. I tested a few websites on several packages with different providers and when Google updates come, all dropped and got de-indexed. Every provider tried to shift the blame and said it was because of this and that and most lied that they have a few hundred clients and most of them are still ranking well . One of the provider actually gave me a link to his account accidentally (Website Bug) and i saw all of his campaigns and he didn't have a few hundred clients but < 20. Other than 1 or 2 campaigns, the rest were doing very badly.

Thus I decided that the providers on BHW are usually lying out of their teeth (which i won't blame) to get more customers and that buying service on BHW is no longer the way to go. A PBN is more like it , i guess and of course, white organic methods

You do not go into much detail, what kind of services have you used? Where they monthly? Did you keep building links? Do you have a clue about link velocity? Do you have a clue about on page SEO? There are many things to be taken into consideration, not just you used a service and your sites did not stay in position. These days if someones site moves in the serps, they instantly start crying that it has been hit. Well that is just a load of shit, believe it or not, serps change all the time, every time your site moves it does not mean it has been slapped.

 

[Adam718]

People need to stop looking at the sales pitch and start looking at what they're actually getting and decide for themselves if THAT'S what they need. For example, some packages claim its THE best way to rank a site, blah blah, but you need to completely disregard that and see what you actually get. If a package offers 10 web 2.0's, 100 social bookmarks, 20 high pr blog posts, etc. then you need to decide, as an SEO professional, if you need THOSE PARTICULAR things.

This is why SEO's that actually make money usually have people create custom packages/use software/VA's rather than just choosing a link package and submitting their URL and keywords.

 

[rayee]

You do not go into much detail, what kind of services have you used? Where they monthly? Did you keep building links? Do you have a clue about link velocity? Do you have a clue about on page SEO? There are many things to be taken into consideration, not just you used a service and your sites did not stay in position. These days if someones site moves in the serps, they instantly start crying that it has been hit. Well that is just a load of shit, believe it or not, serps change all the time, every time your site moves it does not mean it has been slapped.​

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I could post all the services that I used previously and most of them are well reputed and are on the first page of the service thread but i won't be doing it because I do not wish to ruin their business. If you really want to know, you can PM me and i will send you the entire list of services that i bought previously

Yes, I know onpage SEO and i build links every month to sustain the juice flowing.

 

[subster]

I think this thread is two sided: One site is due dilligance - we have to use our mind when buying (oh no!)
Second side is: The shameless advertizing uses blatant lies and deceptions which is immoral and unethical, especially for novice buyers.

So if you feel seduced by a BST, check your personal mental state, cut the crap, ignore 80% of the positive reviews.

 

[BigBuddy]

I could post all the services that I used previously and most of them are well reputed and are on the first page of the service thread but i won't be doing it because I do not wish to ruin their business. If you really want to know, you can PM me and i will send you the entire list of services that i bought previously

Yes, I know onpage SEO and i build links every month to sustain the juice flowing.

Hi rayee, from your posts history I can see you almost purchased every seo services in bhw within a month time. I have no idea whether you purchased all these services for same site. If you have purchased for different site, its fine. If not then it is the primary reason for your site drop as you used tons of backlinks in short time that too, many provided same kinda backlinks services.

 

[rayee]

Hi rayee, from your posts history I can see you almost purchased every seo services in bhw within a month time. I have no idea whether you purchased all these services for same site. If you have purchased for different site, its fine. If not then it is the primary reason for your site drop as you used tons of backlinks in short time that too, many provided same kinda backlinks services.

Hi, I have got 20+ sites so obviously, I purchase them for sites that are not my main sites but testing sites but again, they were properly onsite optimised and some good links purchased before i went ahead with the SP on this forum

The way I test is that I purchase one service for one site then see the results. That way, no reviewer can say its because of this and that.

 

[mickyfu]

I could post all the services that I used previously and most of them are well reputed and are on the first page of the service thread but i won't be doing it because I do not wish to ruin their business. If you really want to know, you can PM me and i will send you the entire list of services that i bought previously

Yes, I know onpage SEO and i build links every month to sustain the juice flowing.

Could you PM me the list so that I can compare with what I think of certain services. I have had both good and bad experiences, and yes had bad experiences with reputable services, but there is a lot more to SEO than just buying services.

 

[ficfroc]

Hi rayee, from your posts history I can see you almost purchased every seo services in bhw within a month time. I have no idea whether you purchased all these services for same site. If you have purchased for different site, its fine. If not then it is the primary reason for your site drop as you used tons of backlinks in short time that too, many provided same kinda backlinks services.

From his post history I can tell that he requested service for :

1) an already penalised site
2) a penguin hit site

Bro, you f*cked up your site you should have bought a link cleaning service, there are some good ones on here, but trying some seo gigs on your penalised site and not seeing results then coming and flaming the sellers is not fare.

+ for those who say that seo services on here don't work , you are wrong they work because they provide you the service stated in their thread, How do I know that ? because these ones have been reviewed and approved by a moderator on BHW.

Imagine that ranking your site is like creating a combination of some molecules ( for example water (H2O) :

One service is offering to buy : H And another one is offering to buy the : O

If you don't know how to use these in order to get H2O, then it's only under your responsibility.

SEO services here are offering us the ingredients for the recipe, but if you don't know how to cook using this recipe then all you can do is blame yourself.

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Plus most of the seo services here provide you a report and the login details of the created accounts , you still can repair the damage if you beleive and seo service caused your website to tank.

 

[rayee]

From his post history I can tell that he requested service for :

1) an already penalised site
2) a penguin hit site

Bro, you f*cked up your site you should have bought a link cleaning service, there are some good ones on here, but trying someseo gigs on your penalised site and not seeing results then coming and flaming the sellers is not fare.

+ for those who say that seo services on here don't work , you are wrong they work because they provide you the service stated in their thread, How do I know that ? because these ones have been reviewed and approved by a moderator on BHW.

Uh, no, I have requested services for clean and penalised sites. Before i sign up, i will always ask "Do your service work for penalised sites" and those that say yes, I will go ahead and push it off to them. Otherwise i will send the clean sites to them.