Are You Using BlackHat Methods Ethically? Tell Us How

[Enoch]

O.k I'm new here.

I first found out about IM by doing a search on making
money by filling out surveys or some stupid ish. Found
a Yahoo! answers post that advised the reader to check
out the other big IM forum.

I also remember when I thought that being a freelance writer
was a near impossible feat.

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Fast foward.

I've read so much about this stuff. Spent countless hours on forums.
Reading products. Some with immense potential. Others that would
land you in jail with lawsuits waiting for you after you touched down.

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BlackHat World has an enormous amount of knowledge but the way that
it is used doesnt sit well with me.

I know where I'm at and don't need a reminder.

Many of the tactics that I read, on this forum, seem like they can be incorporated
into a legitimate business model, and give it explosive traffic
and conversion rates.

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So, how do you incorporate BlackHat methods into your business?

A legitimate business model that is

 

[Dan Da Man]

I do not know what you are looking for here. Do you want someone to insure that you are doing the right thing? Blackhat is nothing bad and I do not get why people think this. I had a guy the other day told me to have fun manipulating people and taking advantage of people. How? But to answer your question, every one here is running a legitimate business.

Be worried tho, you might go to jail if you blast the wrong website

 

[Enoch]

Thanks for taking tour time to respond.

No every one here is not running a legitimate business.

Right and wrong are subjective and can be interpreted
differently by different people.

What am I looking for?

I'm just curious about how online marketers are successfully
incorporating blackhat methods into a whitehat businees?

Doing it in a way where the customer will happiliy spend
their money again.

This can be traffic generation, seo, or manipulative compliance
techniques.

 

[dismantle]

Your first sentence explains everything to me. This forum has so much information, Read the millions of forum posts and decide on what you feel is ethical in your eyes. Everyone has limits so what are yours?

 

[Cnotey]

I own a professional consulting business where I actually work for a living. I have an office, a receptionist, and everything else a standard business has. A single client can bring in between $100K and $500k. Being the first thing people see when they Google search for my consulting niche is a good thing =].

 

[artizhay]

Incorporate black hat methods into a white hat business? Well that's a paradox if I ever saw one.

 

[Enoch]

Everyone has limits so what are yours?

Good point. My limit is not to cheat the customer.
I want to offer value to them. #1 priority

Certain rules I don't care about breaking though

 

[Enoch]

Being the first thing people see when they Google search for my consulting niche is a good thing =].

I understand. You use blackhat SEO to give your legitimate business exposure. Good

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Incorporate black hat methods into a white hat business? Well that's a paradox if I ever saw one.

Seems like a paradox but you can game the engines to drive targeted traffic to your lists and offers.

You can mix a little untargetted traffic with your targetted traffic and convert leads to cash.

 

[artizhay]

Seems like a paradox but you can game the engines to drive targeted traffic to your lists and offers.

You can mix a little untargetted traffic with your targetted traffic and convert leads to cash.

Eh. I know. Okay so here's something I mentioned in my thread about auto-filling and auto-submitting CPA forms:

Say you run a site where a user can choose some offers they're interested in filling out. You have your own form on the site, collect the data, then use an XSS injection (exploit) to automatically fill the CPA forms (only the ones they selected) and automatically submit these forms so you can generate a conversion for each one while they still have the intention of filling out the rest of the offer. Blackhat as far as CPA ToS is concerned, but provides a better, legitimate user experience.

 

[Enoch]

Thank you for taking the time to reply.

Just looking for starting points where
I can apply this stuff and not scamming
people.

Now I can search the search function and find
more info about the method you provided.

 

[speed777]

hmm enoch, seems like you have pretty much answered yourself with regards to ethical issues about using blackhat methods.

You probably have more concerns about providing value to the customer than the methods use to obtain the customer.

My perspective is that, you mention that you do not want to cheat people, i definitely agree with you on that point, because offering value is what keeps the customers back to your business, and basing on this, you might want to consider about your business models, your products and your content rather than the strategies being shared here.

Since the start of IM era, there has been alot of scams going on, which involved excellent marketing strategies but shitty products or in some cases products that are not even worth to be known as products.

I suggest to incorporate these excellent marketing strategies with GOOD products instead.

In case you are wondering, what would otherwise be known as GOOD products, i guess you have to put in efforts to research your niche and find out what can be offered to your niche.

Just my 2C, hope this helps!

 

[Dan Da Man]

The way you obtain the customer should not be the issue. If you get customers with BH methods ( shady in some eyes) and you provide value and the best user experience possible, then why should that matter at all? Your just putting yourself in the best spot to be there for your customers.

There are always going to be shady people looking to take advantage. I am sure there are shady people doing white hat to.

 

[makinbuckz]

How about white hat methods with black hat traffic.

Incorporate black hat methods into a white hat business? Well that's a paradox if I ever saw one.

 

[magic_guru]

black hat is what you make of it!!

 

[Enoch]

speed777

Thanks for the quick reminder to think strategically.

Your perspective is right.

However, I do think that many of these tactics can be
incorporated into a larger system or model, and can
produce greater results.

They just need to be incorporated in a way where they
act as part of the system.

That's why I started this thread.
To get a glimpse at how some others are doing it.

And I know they are.

Just got to get them to speak up