How many times should I link from a PBN?

[GregFromMoonsy]

Who will say PBN not working




What an extremely stupid men
Seems, they need to add new meta tag "Google please rank me better and destroy my competitors"

Cheers, Greg.

 

[Shwepps]

and many more patterns

Mind sharing them?

 

[tiiberius]

I've been also suprised how much it's simple.
Even with my very very simple reconstruction of this algorithm - it was able to detect 5 interconnected domains under 1 second in base of 1B links.
I 've tested it on single server with 2x16 core procesors + NVME disks + 192GB RAM.

I don't know how many servers Google use currently for search engine purpose, but in 2010 it was ~100K in total.
So, let's think how many time they need in reality to detect such kind of links with such resources, even when their BL database is hundreds times bigger.

Programming skills together with the SEO skills are incredible valuable together, because you can create near everything what you need.
I've been first the programmer and 10 years later in 2004 I've discovered the SEO.

It was changed my life forever.

Cheers, Greg.

That's interesting. Their computing power must be absolutely insane.

You gave me new inspiration to learn programming (finally)

What language(s) have you written it in?

For "interconnected" do you mean ***SITEA links to SITEB*** and ***SITEB links to SITEA***?
If yes, it's not a problem since usually the best PBNs have only one way link to money sites, just like in the "real" interconnected websites

Iti s a big problem.

What you described is a reciprocal link exchange. Their are not fans of that.

Is it possible to use the same method for guest posting and backlinking?

There is no "method" per se.

I'm just mentioning common scenarios people use to link out from PBNs. Their Pros & Cons.

You can apply some if it to guest posting I guess.

I think ideally you want one link per guest post host to your money site.

So scenario #1.

The nice thing about Google catching that is I made unreasonable money after it was caught by providing a service that was automated and undid all that damage from the link wheel days.

Very nice

What was it called?

Who will say PBN not working

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What an extremely stupid men
Seems, they need to add new meta tag "Google please rank me better and destroy my competitors"

Cheers, Greg.

Excellent proof indeed.

Also... these cry babies are so annoying.

 

[GregFromMoonsy]

Mind sharing them?

There is plenty of them, one day I'll create thread about it.
However I can give you the simple and most repeated examples:

- 3 tiers silo, pretty unnatural way of build backlinks which NOT EXISTS in natural link building.
- PBN links from ONLY deleted domains, where domain registration date is the footprint which you can't hide.
- peak of links without any new content - NOT EXISTS in natural link building ( when no traffic over those links ).
- peak of links from sites without any traffic PBN's / web2.0 - NOT EXISTS in natural link building.
- bad anchor text ratio
- bad freessl/paidssl/nossl ratio
- bad follow/no-follow ratio
etc...

Cheers, Greg.

 

[GreenGrass2019]

There is no "method" per se.

I'm just mentioning common scenarios people use to link out from PBNs. Their Pros & Cons.

You can apply some if it to guest posting I guess.

I think ideally you want one link per guest post host to your money site.

So scenario #1.

But instead of website.com I should link it to the posts right? like website.com/paper/paper-is-great and an anchor text that is related to the post subject.

 

[tiiberius]

- peak of links from sites without any traffic PBN's / web2.0 - NOT EXISTS in natural link building.

Peak is definitely a problem (unnatural velocity all of a sudden) but no traffic is not. Most of the internet don't have traffic, including legit sites.

Also, traffic can come from sources search engines cannot track or money site simply isn't using any of their tracking scripts.

But instead of website.com I should link it to the posts right? like website.com/paper/paper-is-great and an anchor text that is related to the post subject.

That's totally up to you.

What are you trying to achieve?

G

Thank's for this manual!

Glad you like it

 

[GregFromMoonsy]

...but no traffic is not [the problem]. Most of the internet don't have traffic, including legit sites.
Also, traffic can come from sources search engines cannot track or money site simply isn't using any of their tracking scripts.

Google have a lot of tools to confirm the traffic, even in case when you not use any tracking scripts, ex:

- Chrome
- Android
- Google DNS
- Google Fonts (used by most of WP themes)
- Google Maps (used often on money sites)
- Google Captcha
- SERP click stream

Google are able to verify in many ways over 60% of traffic, so even with 20 monthly visits - about more than 10 they know.
It's an illusion that they aren't able to verify it.

Also each natural link brings the traffic, even if it's just single visit.
Poor link building don't brings any traffic, so with more such links - Google exactly know that you trying cheat the algo.

If their algorithm will find such suspicious behavior - they will run another set of algorithms,
for example rank transition function ( called by mistake - Google dance )



Cheers, Greg.

 

[tiiberius]

Also each natural link brings the traffic, even if it's just single visit.

True. I have PBNs with traffic, links on them get clicked and results are more significant than on those that don't.

However, even if link is completely hidden from the visitors, so it's impossible to get clicked but it's still visible for googlebot, rankings will improve. So they definitely count.

Traffic flowing through links is definitively not mandatory.

No traffic on money site and influx of links, that's another story.

 

[GregFromMoonsy]

@tiiberius

The point is - not to give even ONE single reason of suspicious behavior for Google algo.
Only then the SEO job is pretty effective and safe.

By disregarding one signal (which you know) you don't know how much more signals you not considered (which you don't know).
Because you must to know a lot of Google patents to consider them.

In my opinion it's very weak point of thinking and not safe for sure, especially in long term perspective.
So, I am choosing always the best possible methods to stay behind the scene, because its Google scene.

In additionally you shouldn't give the competitors any sign of your work - the best way here is blog/site with traffic which in reality is the PBN.
From the PBN with significantly traffic you can give the links to bloggers and receive from them links to your site without any
anxieties that anybody will be able to discover it - including Google Search Quality team.

That is the difference - because I am the big friend of bloggers
Cheers, Greg.

 

[GreenGrass2019]

That's totally up to you.

What are you trying to achieve?

Trying to rank posts with keywords using guest posting or backlinking services

 

[tiiberius]

@tiiberius

The point is - not to give even ONE single reason of suspicious behavior for Google algo.
Only then the SEO job is pretty effective and safe.

By disregarding one signal (which you know) you don't know how much more signals you not considered (which you don't know).
Because you must to know a lot of Google patents to consider them.

In my opinion it's very weak point of thinking and not safe for sure, especially in long term perspective.
So, I am choosing always the best possible methods to stay behind the scene, because its Google scene.

In additionally you shouldn't give the competitors any sign of your work - the best way here is blog/site with traffic which in reality is the PBN.
From the PBN with significantly traffic you can give the links to bloggers and receive from them links to your site without any
anxieties that anybody will be able to discover it - including Google Search Quality team.

That is the difference - because I am the big friend of bloggers
Cheers, Greg.

I agree on the risk reducing and future proofing your campaigns.

This is relatively easy to do with private blog network.

However...

With public ones it becomes very tricky.

I chose to hide links to actually lower the risk (and it did) because competitors where constantly reporting them, neg-seoing them and de-indexation was terrible.

Crawlers don't pick them up, and even if they somehow find them, they think the link was removed and it's outdated report so they move on.

Not to mention crazy things clients are doing with unnatural velocities and over-optimized anchor text.

It's usually the money site that does something "flag worthy", then PBN gets discovered.

 

[tiiberius]

Trying to rank posts with keywords using guest posting or backlinking services

Looks like we are not on the same page at all.

This thread is an advice on PBN linking. If you are using services, you have no control over links. You can't use this advice.

Also, "backlinking services" can be anything.

 

[GregFromMoonsy]

@tiiberius

In general public PBNs are very risky for at least few reasons.
But also there are some people who aren't able to build own PBN myself.

The next thing - all kind of BL crawlers - such Ahrefs, Moz, Majestic etc...
Ahrefs are pretty easy and quick to block without any footprint, as they use ovh.com

Moz also is easy to block, they currently use wowrack.com
But when it coming about the Majestic - they are use much clever crawling methods.

You need a lot of data from many traffic sites to know all their IP ranges.
In other case - only robots.txt is the option, which is the footprint.

For this reason, you can find Majestic in most of robots.txt files.
Of course, you can block them on User Agent string - but you never know if in reality it is the Majestic.
Also for example my crawlers testing User Agent for such kind of blocking.

So, the only effective and safe method is build the real site with traffic.
And use the links from such PBN via blog / other sites - ONLY in this case you haven't any footprint.

All the other tricks, such change html link to text can be detected.
If Google will detect such tricks - they will reset the links power.

Also when Google will detect some "unnatural" behavior,
such bad anchor text ratio or any other signs - there is pretty clear - what's come on.

As I am always repeating - SEO's doing that many mistakes, that even in result they don't know how Google detected them.
Bad ratio / unnatural link building schema are the most common things.

Cheers, Greg.

 

[tiiberius]

Also for example my crawlers testing User Agent for such kind of blocking.

So, the only effective and safe method is build the real site with traffic.

Actually, there is another way. Instead of blocking the "bad" guys, you only let the "good" guys in.

This way nothing is blocked per se and everyone sees what they are supposed to see.

It's definitely flag worthy as well, however, very few people are doing it like this so it's "safe" for now

 

[scalli]

Thanks for the info! Isn't number 2 leaving a footprint if you have different pbn sites all linking out to the same moneysites?

 

[tiiberius]

Following!

Yes, I do but not Wikipedia.

Locate other popular authority websites related to your niche that are not direct competition for your keywords.

please can you explain why you shouldnt link to a wikipedia?

It's been overdone as everything that become popular. You don't wanna do things like masses.

Also, it's dangerous.

Since it's so popular, it's possible to reverse engineer links going to a Wikipedia page and discover all PBNs linking to it. Yours included. Especially dangerous if you link to the same page multiple times.

Thanks for the info! Isn't number 2 leaving a footprint if you have different pbn sites all linking out to the same moneysites?

Yes, it definitely is.

If you have for example 10 clients and you link to their sites from the very same set of PBN units, you are asking for it. I would keep outbound links to below 5.

Awesome guide for pbn linking. Very useful.

Glad you like it

 

[rdt21]

Since I Am new to PBNs. What would be an decent amount of articles published on a site before you start using it?

 

[tiiberius]

Since I Am new to PBNs. What would be an decent amount of articles published on a site before you start using it?

I always make sure there is at least one "no link" piece of content around 500 words on the homepage. It is also important to make sure homepage is re-crawled and re-indexed before you continue with posts with links.

 

[shags38]

Great explanation of PBN's - very well presented. Like many great articles it creates even more questions - but that means it is making people think about what they are doing / should be doing.
Kudos to you

 

[tiiberius]

Great explanation of PBN's - very well presented. Like many great articles it creates even more questions - but that means it is making people think about what they are doing / should be doing.
Kudos to you

Thank you glad you like it.

So... what is your question then?