BHW marketplace 2.0 - thoughts.

[Alma]

This could be beneficial to SMM panel owners who can't use paypal on their websites.

 

[Bigdadddy]

This will be legendary m8

 

[proxygo]

just 1 Q reg vip, is that 147+20%tax of 178$ is that correct,
i understand vips with a recurring sub still pay 97+20% tax

but for users like me who have payed there vip via manual
payment PP to bhw 8 yrs due to keeping no CC on my PP after
being hacked twice in 10 yrs, i guess ill have to manual pay
147+29 would that be correct, ill be exempt from 97+20%

just checking for my next manual payment end of the yr boss,
had to pay this way since 2012. manual pp payment to bhw,
i pay from funds within my pp not via CC
just checking which i fall in for next time

 

[mindmaster]

As a buyer and a seller the extra 20-30% doesn't make sense.
Having a better review in place can be accomplished without transforming the forum in fiverr.

Soon enough, after bhw becoming an 'upgraded' fiverr, most services won't be allowed to sell here. Just like on fiverr.
What? Accounts for sale? No no no. Facebook likes? Forget about it. Not to mention virtual cards or stealth paypal account.

 

[SOCOM]

So to reiterate and get some clarifications, future state of costs to BHW to sell services are:

• Jr. VIP, which will be increasing 50% annually
• Sales thread cost
• The BUYER pays an additional 20-30% on top of the service cost, which is pocketed by BHW
• Whatever the cost of escrow would be

In return, we will have the fantastic new ability to have this same entity essentially controlling where money goes, on a BLACK HAT forum, that has had user information leaked publicly in the past, has been the subject of FBI investigations, and sells shady services like cracked Spotify accounts, game hack spam, and document forgery?

I'll be 100% honest, I use this site mainly to interact with others that are in the same field I am, and to provide writing services occasionally. I have also bought tens of thousands of dollars in services from BHW members via the site, and have reviewed thousands of dollars on top of that.

This would be a double kiss of death for me. Fourfold cost increases that affect both buyers and sellers, on top of the current issues that have been going on, I don't see how a massive drop in engagement and quality is not on the horizon. Fix your current issues (blatant fake review spam, site downtime, nightly spam threads where fixes have been proposed and ignored, attrition of high-value members leaving the forum, etc), THEN talk about shiny new objects.

Thank you for saving me time from typing this all out. I am also voting NO!

 

[proxygo]

Jr. VIP, which will be increasing 50% annually - every year ???

so 147$ next year - year after around 220$ year 3 330$
that could drive away all those who just pay to support bhw

 

[MisterF]

Jr. VIP, which will be increasing 50% annually - every year ???

No, not the case at all.

As @Diamond Damien pointed out earlier;
"The price increase in Jr. VIP is only for a new Jr. VIP those with Jr. VIP already are grandfathered in at $97, for those that are not aware Jr. VIP will move to $147 from Q3 of 2019 after 13 years without a price rise. "

 

[proxygo]

i only posted what some1 else posted mr f
Jr. VIP, which will be increasing 50% annually

i read that as vip increasing 50% per year
did it mean 50% just going forward then not
per year

 

[MrE]

Personally not seeing the added value in ongoing monthly "BHW verifications" of a service, sure it will help a small amount of first time buyers from jumping in at the wrong time on a declining or negligent provider BUT it comes at the expense of regular buyers & members.

If I don't feel like I'm getting adequate value from a seller and doing my own quality analysis on what I'm buying then that's on me. I'm sure a lot of other buyers & resellers will feel the same way, that they don't want to be babysat at a huge premium and hit to profit margins.

 

[Sherb]

Sorry @proxygo I think I mis-stated that as an annual increase vs the annual price increasing. Regardless, I believe that the grandfathering in is based on PayPal's subscription basis, meaning that you would have to ensure that your pricing is set at the $97+20% as yours is manual (when that time comes).

 

[Lukmat]

I vote NO

There will be 2 marketplaces? The traffic will spread between old and new marketplace? Maybe it's better to create category like "VIP OFFERS" and that's all. I belive you will not move current marketplace somewhere else and it will keep site position.
20-30%? I would not pay, I prefer to make SEO and sell outside BHW, for now my products are exclusive for BHW. After changes, sorry...

For me current BHW is perfect. You should focus on new, modern, web 2.0 layout, instead messing with the marketplace. Forum is just ugly like shit

 

[InstaBen]

If the 30% market is optional and added as a second marketplace instead of a replacement, I have no problem with it.
I can't imagine it will be very popular though.

 

[roman375]

I am not sure how I feel about this proposed addition of a second marketplace. I am not going to delve into the planned features and the workings of this second marketplace, as plenty of users have already raised valid concerns. What I am most concerned about, however, is that this will fragment the current buyers and sellers, much to the detriment of engagement on BHW as a whole. How will current sellers with active BSTs factor into the new system? Will we be able to sell the same service on both platforms? If so, the 30% increase in price on the second platform will not make much sense, when users will be able to purchase the exact same service from the original marketplace for a lower price (assuming sellers do not have to pay the 30% out of their own pocket, which, otherwise, would kill a huge amount of services currently being offered)?

If effectively managing and moderating the current marketplace requires the hiring and training of more staff, then surely there are simpler (and arguably more effective) ways to go about raising the funds for this without disrupting and hurting the current ecosystem. For example, what about paid marketplace BST bumps instead of the current user bumps? This has been discussed before but never lead to anything. A paid bumps system for BSTs would solve a lot of the rampant fake posting (fake order confirmations and reviews) currently taking place in the marketplace. Additionally, questionable and outright scam services would not survive long with this system as they simply would not afford to be able to keep bumping their threads when there are concerns about the quality and/or nature of their offer.

 

[Mr. Tokyo]

From my perspective, I'd like it to be mandatory that all sellers on here have 2step authentication in place.

Couldn't agree more on this.

 

[proxygo]

@Sherb

Sorry @proxygo
I think I mis-stated that as an annual increase vs the annual price increasing. Regardless, I believe
that the grandfathering in is based on PayPal's subscription basis, meaning that you would have
to ensure that your pricing is set at the $97+20% as yours is manual (when that time comes).

i asked , because when i asked about this few weeks back, the indicator i got from DD was
and i stand corrected if im wrong, only users with a bhw sub can carry on paying 97$+tax

people like me who pay via paypal but from funds held within it, would be grouped
with those paying the 147+tax, as i cant get a sub in my pp as i no longer retain a cc
on my account due to being hacked twice, so what ever i buy is done from funds
held with it.

ill have to call PP and see if they allow a sub without a CC

 

[br4sco]

If your going to charge 20-30% on top i would really expect diligent and detailed reviews. Plus, charge back and manual review if not satiesfied with Services.

Otherwise i would just stick with PP charge back and shitlist / BST reviews.

 

[Lukmat]

I think this whole thread should be opened in Jr.VIP for sellers exclusive because I feel that admin only focusing on buyers.
Sorry, sellers are making 99% money for BHW.

 

[Deleted member 855230]

Why does BHW get 30% of our efforts? None of the moderators I know are talented writers. And reading doesn’t mean you’ve earned that extra 30%.

It may not seem like much to some, but I charge nearly $1,000 for some of my documents. Why the fuck would the forum get 30% on top of that on every single sale?

Hahahaha this is the biggest dumpster fire I’ve seen since BITCONNNNNNNNEEEEEEEEEECCCCTTTTTTT!!!!!

 

[jsalima]

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THAT is some funny stuff right there. Thanks for making me laugh guys.

I personally would pay a bit more for better quality and reliability. I would also wonder how the "payouts" would work for a seller though.

Cheers =)

 

[Fang Yu]

If I was a seller I'd be pissed, 30% higher prices to customers and they have to trust you to handle payments... Paypal/stripe and 2CO are about 4% and they are a global companies with stiff financial regulation. What are BHW offering for the other 26% percent? I suppose it's optional but just looks like greed. Not to mention are you going to pay out daily like these platforms offer? Or hold their money and pay out monthly.

As a buyer I am just left confused. You have marketplace rules that you don't enforce now and some of the mods doing reviews don't seem to know what they are doing (see my last thread) so for the extra 30% are you actually going to follow your own rules and hire mods who know how to review products?

I'm not sure this is the solution to applying your own forum rules to your current marketplace. I kind of like that we deal with service providers directly.

I'm curious if you centralizing the marketplace will mean the end to some "less than whitehat" services such as buying fake/photoshopped ID documents from @secondeye (and others) or buying VCC's from various other sellers. We also have services that help get adobe licenses/spotify/microsoft accounts for cheap. Facebook/instagram also come down hard on those caught selling likes, does this mean your new platform won't allow these kind of things as I imagine they are a liability? If they go wrong what happens to everyone else on this new centralized payment system?

So to reiterate and get some clarifications, future state of costs to BHW to sell services are:

• Jr. VIP, which will be increasing 50% annually
• Sales thread cost
• The BUYER pays an additional 20-30% on top of the service cost, which is pocketed by BHW
• Whatever the cost of escrow would be

In return, we will have the fantastic new ability to have this same entity essentially controlling where money goes, on a BLACK HAT forum, that has had user information leaked publicly in the past, has been the subject of FBI investigations, and sells shady services like cracked Spotify accounts, game hack spam, and document forgery?

I'll be 100% honest, I use this site mainly to interact with others that are in the same field I am, and to provide writing services occasionally. I have also bought tens of thousands of dollars in services from BHW members via the site, and have reviewed thousands of dollars on top of that.

This would be a double kiss of death for me. Fourfold cost increases that affect both buyers and sellers, on top of the current issues that have been going on, I don't see how a massive drop in engagement and quality is not on the horizon. Fix your current issues (blatant fake review spam, site downtime, nightly spam threads where fixes have been proposed and ignored, attrition of high-value members leaving the forum, etc), THEN talk about shiny new objects.

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