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BHW marketplace 2.0 - thoughts.

Discussion in 'Forum Suggestions & Feedback' started by Diamond Damien, Mar 26, 2019.

  1. Diamond Damien

    Diamond Damien Owner BlackHatWorld Staff Member Jr. VIP Premium Member UnGagged Attendee

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    Thanks and fair catch - this is exactly the sort of thing we're looking to deal with.
    Each order would be verified from a payment on the backend so users would know which is real and which is spam.

    Re the other points.
    "Blatant fake review spam" - something we're aware of and shut down frequently but equally often these are real buyers when we dig into the transaction history of sellers that would otherwise be banned.
    "Site downtime" - 30 day rolling we're currently on 99.37% working on 100% ref https://share.pingdom.com/banners/8e3f5cfc
    "nightly spam threads where fixes have been proposed and ignored" - those fixes, unfortunately, didn't work hit the report button we're working on it. We catch a lot of spam, some get's through which is true of any platform from us to Facebook.
    "Attrition of high-value members" People move on and come back and go about their days. It's a thing true of all forums, we have many threads about member engagement and what should happen. We're always honoured that you all spend the time you do on our little piece of the internet.

    As mentioned previously, we do run checks on marketplace sellers services currently as incognito secret shoppers we're always happy when we find no problems, where we do we work with the sellers to improve the issues at hand. We're as invested in making sure buyers and sellers on the marketplace are as happy as they can be.

    PS our roof is tight.
     
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  2. Diamond Damien

    Diamond Damien Owner BlackHatWorld Staff Member Jr. VIP Premium Member UnGagged Attendee

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    No - once again to clarify we're not changing anything on the current marketplace.

    I'm probably not making myself very clear here. In the new marketplace, we'd offer an affiliate program for any sales made through the marketplace. This would be available to sellers whereby they could agree to pay any BHW member x%, that would come out of the BHW % thereby enabling the entire BHW membership to (potentially) become affiliate driving traffic to your BHW 2.0 marketplace sales thread.

    It's an idea - maybe a good one, maybe not? But that's why we're here.
     
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    I'm butt hurt.

    That is not accurate. You don't see what goes on in the BST Approval subforum.

    I've not commented in this thread as it has gone three ways sideways with a lot of commentary not germane to the topic and I've deferred to @Diamond Damien as he is quite active here but I'm fine with making the above comments.

    @Blain Cooper, if you have one of those butt hurt reports you see floating around the internet please PM me three copies so I can fill them out and get them notarized by the girl in the office.
     
  4. Diamond Damien

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    I think we're all on the same page re Jr. VIP I think we've cleared that up. For those who didn't catch it it's a one time increase to $147 per year. All current Jr. VIP's will be able to maintain their Jr. VIP status.

    Re the sellers - these re-reviews will be paid for out of our 20-30%. As we currently do, once we've reviewed for the first time we're not going to ask a seller to pay for us to re-review on a monthly basis for free. BHW pays for that out of our fees, the change is the frequency of review. If a service take 45 days to complete then we'd review every 90 for example, it's not a foolproof system but it's a start.

    To your bottom line point.
    It's an additional layer of security, the team has grown with the growth of the forum.
    Nope I've covered that above. The re-reviews are paid for from the revenue generated from the 20-30%.
    Nope - again covered above this is taken care of with the 20-30%
    These issues were addressed above https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/bhw-marketplace-2-0-thoughts.1106901/page-6#post-11922133

    Look you understand running a business isn't about the money you get in, it's not 100% profit we're working to build a better marketplace and we're looking at ideas and opportunities for the entire BHW membership, is there a benefit to the owners of BHW - sure, but with what we're trying to build there should be a benefit to all BHW members through affiliate payments from services they promote.

    I'm interested in all points of view and I'm sure this thread will continue to grow. I'd see no issue with running multiple marketplaces on different terms as long as it was beneficial to all parties.
     
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  5. virtualpurity

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    If you are planning an affiliate model than why not make it members share based as well - giving access to each BHW member (affiliate tracking link maybe) to be able to drive traffic to the new Marketplace 2.0 and earn % of any sales through his channel, whatever that might be.

    So that way sellers pay 30% more - BHW can get 20% and normal users can get 10% ( if sell comes through a member channel / link etc ).

    That would motivate the normal users on this forum - also will give them an oportunity to sell / ressel quality services from the 2.0 Marketplace and also would drive a huge load of additional traffic from all BHW members that want to earn, giving the sellers more worth for their additional 30%.

    Just a thought.
     
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  6. nonai

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    So you're copying warrior forum.
     
  7. Diamond Damien

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    Exactly - That's the plan, but put much more succinctly than I did.
     
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  8. Diamond Damien

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    God no - I've not been there in years. Are they providing revenue share/affiliate benefits to all their members and lead gen opportunities to their sellers. Hell Matt really shook things up there. ?
     
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    I'd love to see a separate rating/reviews system on every BST thread, a system that allows buyers to leave reviews on a dedicated tab under the thread, and that can easily be accessed by anyone interested in reading reviews instead of the actual system where you have to navigate through pages and pages to find reviews, something like this:

    bhwreviews.png
     
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  10. virtualpurity

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    If thats the case - sign me up :)

    Def a unique idea for a brilliant marketing forum - this would be a whole new level for bhw and would open new doors for its memebrs.
     
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    If there will be an affiliate program. Then cool! :)
    I agree. BHW traffic itself isn't worth 30% but if we can get leads from other users, then awesome. Only as optional, we don't know the value.
     
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    So this new business model will run/sell your products via BHW Marketing plugin/system?

    Moderators/Super Moderator will keep on checking the quality of the products being sold on this forum?

    Is that so paying 30% to the forum's management shouldn't be an issue.

    Maintaining the quality of product and keeping the tabs with customers would be great for business with BHW staff involved.

    Just a quick request, Don't let scammers take over this marketplace there are markets filled with such people and BHW is exceptional and I would & all of us would love to see it as it is!

    Good luck with your plans!
     
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  14. nonai

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    I don't go there much but I think you should, they have a great marketplace that does exactly what you're saying with the affiliate program, no spam and the membership doesn't seem in perpetual revolt with the owners.

    I've read all 6 pages, you only just now are mentioning the affiliate thing. Did you just add this to make it appeal more to members? You seem hellbent on giving away money that should be going to the seller.

    Very interesting way to try and sell this 30% fee, very socialist. It's not working for the democrats and it won't work for you Mr Damien.

    Nonai, out!
     
  15. Diamond Damien

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    Then you're going to be a very happy dude fairly soon - before Marketplace 2.0
     
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  16. Diamond Damien

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    I think I made it very clear from the start this is a discussion thread. Thoughts around the new marketplace. I'm also fairly sure I've covered this but it's a 2 tier marketplace if you don't want to be part of it we're not going to force you and you can maintain the current system.

    For clarity it's listed in my OP under
    But put far more effectively and succinctly by @virtualpurity here

    https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/bhw-marketplace-2-0-thoughts.1106901/page-6#post-11922185

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    Awesome, looking forward to it! Would be great if you could have a "top rated" page (perhaps under each marketplace forum) where you show the threads with the best ratings, something like this: https://themeforest.net/popular_item/by_category?category=wordpress
     
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    I'm pretty sure you can handle this so much better, I just don't know why you refuse to implement a solution.
    Here's one that came to my mind in less than 10 seconds, one that has probably been mentioned before: limit the number of threads that one can start to 1 every hour (especially for newbies). Let's be honest, how many of us need to start a second thread in less than one hour? The ones that do need, probably have some patience issues, because no matter how important, you can wait one hour to start another thread.
     
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    I think we should delete all forums and leave only marketplace ;)

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    Drop the fee to 15%..
    A fantastic idea.. make bhw marketplace a little advance like fiverr or Upwork..
     
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