Xrumer and Broadband Speed

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Hi guys:
I have read that you need a MEGA-SUPER-SERVER to get the most out of xrumer. That's fine, cause I plan to hosted locally. I can reset my IP and a powerful PC is pretty cheap today.

But I have also heard that you need a powerful connection. and there's my problem. The best thing I can manage to get is 15mbps download and 1,5mbps upload (yes, those bastards!). So, my obvious questions is: do I need more upload speed than download speed for xrumer?
If the answer is "yes", is there someone with a small connection (like mine) that could share his experience.

Thanks a lot,
99lives
 
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It can be ran on that connection just fine, just a check list of things to expect:

#1 It's going to much slower.

#2 Look out for complaints to your ISP about you spamming them. ISP's get rather angry
with you, if they do, just say your antivirus has been going nuts lately and promptly start using proxies after that.

#3 Bandwidth, lots of ISP's limit your monthly usage. Such as Comcast in the U.S. has a "hidden" limit of 600GB/mo for residential users. You don't know about it until they call you acting like they're with the FBI.

#4 Your router. My biggest problem when I did this was that my residential and then the small business one I got to replace it, could not handle the load. Look up a thing called contrack, most routers don't have enough memory to handle more than ~4000 or so open connections (which XRumer makes a lot of), I'm using a dedicated box running vyatta now.

#5 Be prepared to modify your windows settings (www(dot)lvllord.de/?url=tools)

And #6...be prepared for your network to go slower than a turtle.

Hope that helps...
 
Full ack, this is also my experience. Especially point #4.

My provider is quite tolerant for #3, but this might be certainly totally different for you.

15MB/s is more than you might think. You wont saturate easily 100MBit/s even with a very powerful server. And the upstream does not matter that much, so at least for starting on a comfortable level you are very well.
 
cooooookies said:
Full ack, this is also my experience. Especially point #4.

My provider is quite tolerant for #3, but this might be certainly totally different for you.

15MB/s is more than you might think. You wont saturate easily 100MBit/s even with a very powerful server. And the upstream does not matter that much, so at least for starting on a comfortable level you are very well.
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I max out my 50/20 connection when at full bore spamming... (I have two xrumer servers though)
 
And an addition: my biggest bottleneck at home is my provider's DNS server. On a very moderate level of DNS request/s it just slows extremely down.
 
keith said:
It can be ran on that connection just fine, just a check list of things to expect:

#1 It's going to much slower.

#2 Look out for complaints to your ISP about you spamming them. ISP's get rather angry
with you, if they do, just say your antivirus has been going nuts lately and promptly start using proxies after that.

#3 Bandwidth, lots of ISP's limit your monthly usage. Such as Comcast in the U.S. has a "hidden" limit of 600GB/mo for residential users. You don't know about it until they call you acting like they're with the FBI.

#4 Your router. My biggest problem when I did this was that my residential and then the small business one I got to replace it, could not handle the load. Look up a thing called contrack, most routers don't have enough memory to handle more than ~4000 or so open connections (which XRumer makes a lot of), I'm using a dedicated box running vyatta now.

#5 Be prepared to modify your windows settings (www(dot)lvllord.de/?url=tools)

And #6...be prepared for your network to go slower than a turtle.

Hope that helps...
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This is, by far, the best answer I could expect. Even beter that the one I was hoping to get.

May I ask you a few more questions:
So, for less hassle, you would recommend a powerful VPS or dedicated server, and proxies? What about a home server (just a windows), a good router and a dedicated connection of 20/20?

Thanks, again.

PD: I checked with my internet provider and the can't offer me 15/1,5 (FTTH), just 12/0,6. So, that's a big "NO".
 
Contrary to what's been said here, it doesn't take a super computer to run it. I'm able to run and get 300/second on some "converted" servers I've built from checking craigslist for used computers then upgrading them (beats buying a ATX server, or a rack). Servers are dual core AMD's running at about 3ghz and each has 4GB RAM.

Your router is going to be the bottleneck, I HIGHLY recommend finding a cheap PC that has an abundance of PCI ports on the motherboard, and buying some radioshack gigabit PCI ethernet cards, install vyatta (Google it), and some basic setup will have it up and running.

My vyatta router is a used Dell Optiplex server from like 2006, loaded up with 4 PCI gigabit cards from Radioshack. It's handling ~20GB/s transfers internally and the contrack is having no problem at all handling over 25,000 open connections. (You need some light knowledge of networking to get a basic setup working, I've never touched a commercial router in my life and I had it working in about 6 hours from initial download to all servers online and wireless router on a sub net configured and working)


I would personally avoid VPS, most VPS hosts are not configured to handle something like XRumer. Heck, a busy wordpress site with apache can crash most of them or get you yelled at.

Dedicated is the only way to go IMHO if you're going to buy hosting.

Hope that helps ^.^
 
keith said:
Contrary to what's been said here, it doesn't take a super computer to run it. I'm able to run and get 300/second on some "converted" servers I've built from checking craigslist for used computers then upgrading them (beats buying a ATX server, or a rack). Servers are dual core AMD's running at about 3ghz and each has 4GB RAM.

Your router is going to be the bottleneck, I HIGHLY recommend finding a cheap PC that has an abundance of PCI ports on the motherboard, and buying some radioshack gigabit PCI ethernet cards, install vyatta (Google it), and some basic setup will have it up and running.

My vyatta router is a used Dell Optiplex server from like 2006, loaded up with 4 PCI gigabit cards from Radioshack. It's handling ~20GB/s transfers internally and the contrack is having no problem at all handling over 25,000 open connections. (You need some light knowledge of networking to get a basic setup working, I've never touched a commercial router in my life and I had it working in about 6 hours from initial download to all servers online and wireless router on a sub net configured and working)


I would personally avoid VPS, most VPS hosts are not configured to handle something like XRumer. Heck, a busy wordpress site with apache can crash most of them or get you yelled at.

Dedicated is the only way to go IMHO if you're going to buy hosting.

Hope that helps ^.^
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Keith really know what he is talking about....

I think router is what my problem is, but not 100% sure.

Basically my ISP give me similar speed 15 mbps up/ 3 mbps down.

I bought a brand new PC dual core 2.3 ghz, 4 gb ram running windows 7 32 bit.

It's wired to the belkin N+ router and I am having connection problem since day one.

I would get disconnects 2-3 hours of running xrumer (When not running xrumer, no problem at all)

I also connects my old laptop wireless to the same router and no disconnects there.

Originally, I thought it could be Windows 7 (disable IPV6, increased cached size) but still having no luck.

My next test is connect my win 7 directly to the cable modem, run xrumer and see if it disconnects, if it doesn't, then it's 100% my router.

Keith, do you know anyway to increase the router's memory? I am only running 40-80 threads on Xrumer, that's not a lot.

I already pulled my hair out on this because I can't run it when I am at work or sleeping...
 
I'm, really confused right now. To dedicated or to not dedicated.

The only think I hate a bout dedicated is the need for proxies.

If I hoste locally, I will have to go for:
12 MB download / 0,6 MB upload (yeah, shitty). What do you guys thinks of that?
Of course, thanks to the Keith's advice, I will have a small computer workings as a modem, with a linux distro made for that.
 
0.6 is kind of weak, xrumer uses a lot of uploads because it's submit forms and stuff...

you could try it first, then go dedicated. (I don't want to spent the $250/month)
 
coolfx35 said:
0.6 is kind of weak, xrumer uses a lot of uploads because it's submit forms and stuff...

you could try it first, then go dedicated. (I don't want to spent the $250/month)
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Yes, I think I will start small. Damn, I don't even have Xrumer cause I've been looking for the perfect configuration.

But: do you think that, with a few simultaneous connections, a simple router would do it? Or one that I can purchase on my local store or through Ebay? If I'm gonna start small, I don't want to lose time setting up a LINUX router.

Oh, and guys: THANKS for your advices, time and patience. I would really like to give you a hand if you need it.
 
coolfx35 said:
Keith really know what he is talking about....

I think router is what my problem is, but not 100% sure.

Basically my ISP give me similar speed 15 mbps up/ 3 mbps down.

I bought a brand new PC dual core 2.3 ghz, 4 gb ram running windows 7 32 bit.

It's wired to the belkin N+ router and I am having connection problem since day one.

I would get disconnects 2-3 hours of running xrumer (When not running xrumer, no problem at all)

I also connects my old laptop wireless to the same router and no disconnects there.

Originally, I thought it could be Windows 7 (disable IPV6, increased cached size) but still having no luck.

My next test is connect my win 7 directly to the cable modem, run xrumer and see if it disconnects, if it doesn't, then it's 100% my router.

Keith, do you know anyway to increase the router's memory? I am only running 40-80 threads on Xrumer, that's not a lot.

I already pulled my hair out on this because I can't run it when I am at work or sleeping...
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Well, for a normal home router you can't. If your running a linksys check out DD-WRT (Google it), they have a TON of information on routers and firmware for them.

If they don't support it, only option it to get a better router or get a commercial one.

Honestly, all residential and most small business routers under $200 are NOT going to work very well.
 
keith said:
Honestly, all residential and most small business routers under $200 are NOT going to work very well.
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What do you think of a Cisco 1841?
Or definitely go for vyatta? I'm not experienced at networking, so I don't know if I should take that road. But I can hire someone to help me, if I really need it.

PS: If I go to a dedicated hosting (I'm starting to think that would be the painless alternative): any recommendation? Do I need proxies, right?
 
Instead of paying for a dedi server why don't you get a resseler internet connection. I don't know what prices are in the USA but in my country I can get that for 100$ and I will get 100mb with guaranteed at least 30mb upload and download (in most cases it is 50-60mb). Also all the info about my IPs in the whois databases is my business info and my email address. That way I get all the complaining emails not my ISP :D.
 
zverr said:
Instead of paying for a dedi server why don't you get a resseler internet connection. I don't know what prices are in the USA but in my country I can get that for 100$ and I will get 100mb with guaranteed at least 30mb upload and download (in most cases it is 50-60mb). Also all the info about my IPs in the whois databases is my business info and my email address. That way I get all the complaining emails not my ISP :D.
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I thought about that, but here a 20/20 dedicated connection (static IP, of course) is USD400.

I would LOVE to live in South Corea
 
I bought a Dedicated Server for my xRumer just for myself and all im doing is micro niche sites, it has a 30meg connection is pretty good for what I ask and Im only doing adsense micro niche websites.

512 IP addresses so I just swtich to another one everytime I use it or when the IP appears in black list.
 
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