[TUTORIAL] Auto-Fill and Submit CPA Forms
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artizhay
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That is an entirely different concept. It doesn't involve human traffic. Both my method and content locking require human traffic. If you don't have traffic, no matter what method you use, you won't make money. A bot is just cheating. =P And you'd need really good proxies.
Jaykub
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Hmm kay i really want to try this but what can happen worst case? If it is only a bann at the cpa network i would thank god - but going to court or sth would KILL me
DigitalGangster
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I dont think you fully understand the concept Jaykub let me explain
Imagine you have a website, any website like a celebrity site.
As many people know, getting traffic to a celebrity site isn't that hard but the traffic suck.
Lets suppose that traffic is 80% usa,uk,canada and australia and the rest is worldwide. And for the sake to keep it simple lets say that website gets 1k UV's a day.
Now if you were to integrate a cpa offer with that xss exploit like that into your website, it will basically mean that every person in there would fill out that cpa offer.Its not 10% that clicks on it or 1% of your traffic that fills it, is literally every single person that has javascript on filling that cpa offer because you iframed that cpa offer with an xss exploit in there that allows you to modify the DOM.
Now imagine if you were to take it a next step further and include the OP's concept of having an extra script pull records of data to insert in the cpa offer, then you would literally have a secret submit method on your website.
However, this is pretty much considered fraud for advertisers but i believe is extremely blackhat. Most people don't understand this cause they dont get that is like using the traffic you currently have to submit cpa offers from their own ip.
Jaykub
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i knew the concept before your post but thanks for explaining it, makes things clear for the one's who didn't know what this is all about 
i don't know - the only thing is that u use the IPs of others for stealth submit, if only a real ip would make that more blackhat than illegal that would be great ^^ i think it for some it is blackhat for some others fraud / illegal
do you use it ? have u success with it ? the script is a money generator lol
i don't know - the only thing is that u use the IPs of others for stealth submit, if only a real ip would make that more blackhat than illegal that would be great ^^ i think it for some it is blackhat for some others fraud / illegal
do you use it ? have u success with it ? the script is a money generator lol
DigitalGangster
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Well it is a real ip, but yea pretty much using their own ip to submit a stealth submit. Now this is very advanced cause you have to remember the xss exploits can be patched so unless you have ways to find xss exploits with ease i totally dont recommend doing this .i knew the concept before your post but thanks for explaining it, makes things clear for the one's who didn't know what this is all about
i don't know - the only thing is that u use the IPs of others for stealth submit, if only a real ip would make that more blackhat than illegal that would be great ^^ i think it for some it is blackhat for some others fraud / illegal
do you use it ? have u success with it ? the script is a money generator lol
So because a network doesn't approve of the method, it's fraud? Many methods and traffic sources are not accepted by networks, yet we continue to come up with ways to hide such traffic. As started by artizhay, most blackhat techniques could be considered fraud.
This is no different that the secret submit method that was huge a year or so ago. However you had to have users install something in order to complete the offers. This works in much the same way, except it's not using fake information.
Is it fraud? Yes, by definition is it fraud, but advertisers pay for a unique email address, and that's what they are getting. It's not faulty information(depending on how it's being done). Does it convert for them on the backend? No, but neither do a lot of legit leads.
Have you ever popped in one of your own emails to a email submit offer? They spam you to death with the exact same offers you're promoting. They know that only a small number of people will convert on the backend, so they push every offer they've got at the users.
Does this method of "fraudulent" leads convert in the long run? Who knows. Just because that one offer didn't convert, doesn't mean they do not get a conversion from the boat load of spam they send.
fun4uoc
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No, what makes it fraud is submitting a persons email without their knowledge or consent.
artizhay
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Let me ask if you've ever placed a content lock on a site. Do you explicitly tell the user that you're framing a promotional offer, you get paid for their e-mail, and they will be spammed with other promotional offers? Or do you tell them some story about how they need to put it an e-mail to access protected content? By your own definition, the second one is fraud and the first will never generate a single penny for you.
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Again you're missing the main point. In the content lock example, the USER is filling out the offer himself, not having it unknowingly filled just by visiting a site. In the first instance, he has a choice of whether or not to fill the offer, using your method he does not. Also, if your delivering what you promised in the content lock, then there is no fraud involved.
Look dude, you can try to spin this anyway you want if it makes you sleep better at night. I've seen this type of thing time and time again where someone uses similar methods, only to eventually end up on the wrong side of a lawsuit.
When it all comes down to it, it is up to each individual to do what he/she chooses. I just want to put this out there so that people have a little more information before jumping into something like this, especially the noobs who see this as a quick way to make a buck.
artizhay
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If you deliver what you promised, there is no fraud involved in the things you promised to do. However, there is fraud involved in the things you told the user. The full promotional landing pages have fine print on them for a reason. They inform the user of what is done with their e-mail, that it's a promotional offer, etc. You effectively remove this legal promise to the user by not allowing them to see it and not even letting them in on the fact that they're filling out a promotional offer at all. It's called misrepresentation and it can also be legally challenged.
And again, you are not using your mind effectively and are instead taking this method at face value, not realizing how it can be incorporated into a system. It can merely be used to increase conversions if needed. The user can enter their e-mail, choose which offers they want to automatically partake in by clicking checkboxes in a form designed by you, then your system can automatically submit their e-mail into those offers for them rather than loading a screen full of ugly e-mail submits saying, "Okay, go ahead and type your e-mail 50 times." Both are what you could call "opt-in" methods. One is just easier for the user and will produce much better results.
artizhay
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I have replied to your PM, but for everyone else who would like to know, I currently have listed 9 networks and am looking for more.
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Honestly, no one cares. This is a black hat forum... this is blackhatworld... if you don't like it GTFO.
Now that I'm done being mean....
Some of us are tired of being pushed around by CPA networks getting leads off us yet shaving and now we want to punk them back!
That is where legit traffic comes into play. This method alone will most likely not get you paid. It's only a means of increasing your earnings.
gb5000
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You guys will never learn, will you??
Does anyone remember when you had $2.00 email submits?
Wanna know why you don't see those anymore?
Wanna know why that $1.70 email submit is now a .40c email submit?
Well, look at OP's method. You get money in the short run (but not as much as your thinking mr. 5mill email man with the grin on his face! lol), and fuck yourself and other marketers in the long run when advertisers, who price there leads PER SUBMIT, look at their ROI, realize that they are not making a profit, and scale back the cost per lead.
And then a thread pops up on BHW titled "is IM harder?"
BUT, what do I know? I just like to think in common sense terms.
Remember guys, those advertisers are not machines, but REAL PEOPLE who pay out money for the sole purpose of seeing a return on thier investment. Things like this have an INDUSTRY WIDE effect on the offers you get to promote, whther you want to beleive me or not.
Its your account, do so at your own risk!
Does anyone remember when you had $2.00 email submits?
Wanna know why you don't see those anymore?
Wanna know why that $1.70 email submit is now a .40c email submit?
Well, look at OP's method. You get money in the short run (but not as much as your thinking mr. 5mill email man with the grin on his face! lol), and fuck yourself and other marketers in the long run when advertisers, who price there leads PER SUBMIT, look at their ROI, realize that they are not making a profit, and scale back the cost per lead.
And then a thread pops up on BHW titled "is IM harder?"
BUT, what do I know? I just like to think in common sense terms.
Remember guys, those advertisers are not machines, but REAL PEOPLE who pay out money for the sole purpose of seeing a return on thier investment. Things like this have an INDUSTRY WIDE effect on the offers you get to promote, whther you want to beleive me or not.
Its your account, do so at your own risk!
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$2 submits are still around, same with $1.70. Just because you don't have access to them doesn't mean they aren't around. If people aren't idiots and abuse the method it's fine. I've had networks that love my traffic and some that do not. I've even had offers get bumped up a bit because of the traffic I've sent. It's all about how you work the method. If you pump a ton of auto submitted leads then fully expect offers pulled, prices dropped, and possibly even a ban from the network(s).
Of course IM is harder now, but it's not due to offers prices getting dropped. It's due to less and less people sharing methods that actually work/people being less creative and taking a method at face value.
The people that have bashed the method obviously have not tried it, and more than likely do not know to work it correctly. You take it at face value much like everyone else these days and you wonder why IM is harder. The method works, but if you don't modify it, it's just not going to work. 75% or more of the leads do not track/convert without doing things a bit differently than what is explained in this thread.