Thinking About Launching a Telegram Betting Automation Business – Need Advice

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Hi guys,

I’ve been reading BHW for a long time and finally decided to post because I’m currently planning a new project and I’d really like to get honest feedback from experienced members before scaling it.

This is not a sales post. I’m still in the validation and planning stage.

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BACKGROUND

At the moment I already run a Telegram-based IPTV business, mainly for Spain GEO.

The model is simple:
- I buy large Telegram channels related to free football streams and live match links
- then I convert that traffic into IPTV subscriptions

Currently this business generates around $10k/month, so I already have:
- consistent Telegram traffic
- very low acquisition costs
- experience monetizing sports-related audiences
- contacts for buying Telegram channels

Because of this, traffic is not my main issue for this new idea — product structure is.

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THE IDEA

I’m considering building a Telegram-based betting automation system focused on:

- surebets
- valuebets
- complementary low-risk strategies

This is NOT:
- a tipster service
- predictions
- “winning picks”
- emotional betting

The idea is to sell access to a structured system that exploits market inefficiencies, not betting advice.

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RESULT CONTEXT

From previous experience and people I personally know, there are many real cases of users making over €1,000 per month by combining the system I am trying to sell:

- surebets
- valuebets
- additional betting strategies
- proper bankroll management
- good account handling

No gambling, no chasing odds — just discipline and structure.

Obviously results vary, but it shows the system itself can work when applied correctly.

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HOW I IMAGINE IT WORKING

- Telegram channel + private bot (currently developing)
- clear execution instructions (course and formation to keep betting accounts alive)
- strong focus on protecting betting accounts

Target audience:
- average adults
- basic betting knowledge
- not technical users
- same type of people I already monetize with IPTV, mass market

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MONETIZATION MODEL (MOSTLY DEFINED)

Current idea:

- one-time setup + first month access to bot
- price range: €299–€399
- after that: monthly subscription

The setup includes:
- onboarding
- access to the system
- internal documentation
- first month bot usage

The goal is to filter low-quality users and build a serious user base. Also I think is better to charge more on the beginning (due to the biggest concern is bookmaker account survival time, especially with surebets). That way if user does not continue with the system at least I have monetized that user)

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ALTERNATIVE IDEA I CONSIDERED

I also considered another model:

- requiring users to register on 4–5 bookmakers/casinos (CPA)
- giving the system for free in exchange those registrations

On paper it sounds good.

But I feel this approach:
- reduces perceived value
- attracts the wrong type of users
- lowers commitment
- hurts long-term retention

So I’m currently leaning toward paid access instead of CPA-only.

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MAIN CONCERN

The biggest concern is bookmaker account lifespan, especially with surebets.

I’m aware that:
- accounts don’t last forever
- rotation is needed
- discipline matters more than strategy

That’s why I want to be transparent from day one and avoid overselling the idea.

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WHY I’M POSTING HERE

Since traffic and distribution are already solved, I’m mainly looking for insights on:

- how experienced people structure similar systems
- long-term sustainability
- common or possible mistakes
- churn and refund issues
- what would you do in my case
- if you would reconsider the project
- new ideas

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QUESTIONS

1. Is this type of betting automation system still viable in 2026?
2. Does combining surebets and valuebets make sense long term?
3. Would you avoid CPA-only models for this type of product?
4. What usually kills Telegram betting projects after a few months?
5. If traffic wasn’t your problem, how would you personally structure this? Which way would you construct this business?

Any honest feedback is appreciated.

Thanks to everyone who takes the time to reply.
 
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markhanna55 said:
Hi guys,

I’ve been reading BHW for a long time and finally decided to post because I’m currently planning a new project and I’d really like to get honest feedback from experienced members before scaling it.

This is not a sales post. I’m still in the validation and planning stage.

------------------------------------------------

BACKGROUND

At the moment I already run a Telegram-based IPTV business, mainly for Spain GEO.

The model is simple:
- I buy large Telegram channels related to free football streams and live match links
- then I convert that traffic into IPTV subscriptions

Currently this business generates around $10k/month, so I already have:
- consistent Telegram traffic
- very low acquisition costs
- experience monetizing sports-related audiences
- contacts for buying Telegram channels

Because of this, traffic is not my main issue for this new idea — product structure is.

------------------------------------------------

THE IDEA

I’m considering building a Telegram-based betting automation system focused on:

- surebets
- valuebets
- complementary low-risk strategies

This is NOT:
- a tipster service
- predictions
- “winning picks”
- emotional betting

The idea is to sell access to a structured system that exploits market inefficiencies, not betting advice.

------------------------------------------------

RESULT CONTEXT

From previous experience and people I personally know, there are many real cases of users making over €1,000 per month by combining the system I am trying to sell:

- surebets
- valuebets
- additional betting strategies
- proper bankroll management
- good account handling

No gambling, no chasing odds — just discipline and structure.

Obviously results vary, but it shows the system itself can work when applied correctly.

------------------------------------------------

HOW I IMAGINE IT WORKING

- Telegram channel + private bot (currently developing)
- clear execution instructions (course and formation to keep betting accounts alive)
- strong focus on protecting betting accounts

Target audience:
- average adults
- basic betting knowledge
- not technical users
- same type of people I already monetize with IPTV, mass market

------------------------------------------------

MONETIZATION MODEL (MOSTLY DEFINED)

Current idea:

- one-time setup + first month access to bot
- price range: €299–€399
- after that: monthly subscription

The setup includes:
- onboarding
- access to the system
- internal documentation
- first month bot usage

The goal is to filter low-quality users and build a serious user base. Also I think is better to charge more on the beginning (due to the biggest concern is bookmaker account survival time, especially with surebets). That way if user does not continue with the system at least I have monetized that user)

------------------------------------------------

ALTERNATIVE IDEA I CONSIDERED

I also considered another model:

- requiring users to register on 4–5 bookmakers/casinos (CPA)
- giving the system for free in exchange those registrations

On paper it sounds good.

But I feel this approach:
- reduces perceived value
- attracts the wrong type of users
- lowers commitment
- hurts long-term retention

So I’m currently leaning toward paid access instead of CPA-only.

------------------------------------------------

MAIN CONCERN

The biggest concern is bookmaker account lifespan, especially with surebets.

I’m aware that:
- accounts don’t last forever
- rotation is needed
- discipline matters more than strategy

That’s why I want to be transparent from day one and avoid overselling the idea.

------------------------------------------------

WHY I’M POSTING HERE

Since traffic and distribution are already solved, I’m mainly looking for insights on:

- how experienced people structure similar systems
- long-term sustainability
- common or possible mistakes
- churn and refund issues
- what would you do in my case
- if you would reconsider the project
- new ideas

------------------------------------------------

QUESTIONS

1. Is this type of betting automation system still viable in 2026?
2. Does combining surebets and valuebets make sense long term?
3. Would you avoid CPA-only models for this type of product?
4. What usually kills Telegram betting projects after a few months?
5. If traffic wasn’t your problem, how would you personally structure this? Which way would you construct this business?

Any honest feedback is appreciated.

Thanks to everyone who takes the time to reply.
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You’re thinking in the right direction + you already have the hardest part solved which is distribution

Biggest risk here isn’t traffic or tech, it’s trust + survivability. Betting automation dies fast if users think it’s “signals in disguise” or if bookies nuke accounts too quickly. You need to frame it as tooling + execution layer, not outcomes. People don’t buy “wins”, they buy reduced effort + speed

From ops side, the real bottlenecks are latency, bookmaker limits, account churn + user education. Surebets/valuebets only work if execution is fast + users understand stake sizing, book coverage, KYC risk. If you don’t control expectations hard, refunds + drama will eat you

If I were validating this, I’d start with a private beta to your IPTV buyers, low volume, higher price, white-glove onboarding. Prove LTV > churn before even thinking scale. Traffic you have, this game is retention + damage control.
 
trueplayer said:
You’re thinking in the right direction + you already have the hardest part solved which is distribution

Biggest risk here isn’t traffic or tech, it’s trust + survivability. Betting automation dies fast if users think it’s “signals in disguise” or if bookies nuke accounts too quickly. You need to frame it as tooling + execution layer, not outcomes. People don’t buy “wins”, they buy reduced effort + speed

From ops side, the real bottlenecks are latency, bookmaker limits, account churn + user education. Surebets/valuebets only work if execution is fast + users understand stake sizing, book coverage, KYC risk. If you don’t control expectations hard, refunds + drama will eat you

If I were validating this, I’d start with a private beta to your IPTV buyers, low volume, higher price, white-glove onboarding. Prove LTV > churn before even thinking scale. Traffic you have, this game is retention + damage control.
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Really appreciate this reply, it helped a lot.

I completely agree with what you said about perception and expectation control — avoiding the “signals” label is probably the most important part.

One thing I was thinking about is including a short recorded training / onboarding inside the system.
Nothing heavy or “course-style”, but something users must go through before using the bot, mainly to explain:

- how execution works
- stake sizing
- account management
- realistic expectations

The idea would be to reduce bad usage and protect account lifespan from day one.

Do you think forcing users to go through some kind of onboarding training before accessing the bot makes sense, or does that usually create friction?

Another thing I’m unsure about is free trials.

Do you think offering a free trial of the bot is a bad idea in this niche?
Part of me feels it could be very counterproductive (wrong users, abuse, instant judgment), but at the same time I wonder if not offering a trial hurts trust.

From your experience, what usually works better for credibility and conversion here?

- free trial
- limited demo
- social proof
- case studies
- transparency about limitations

Or simply positioning + trust over time?

Would really appreciate your opinion on this.
Thanks again for taking the time to reply.
 
I did surebets couple of months ago and 1 issue I could see is that telegram group might be too slow of a proccess catching those. They don’t last long and automating those like making these kind of bets would be impossible for the amount of bookies there are. Since I used my local bookies, these are not huge and limits were often very low. One site could have like 300€ limit then the other would have like 20€. I did find out ways to get the bet limit on like 6 of the bookies so I would always know what the max bet I could make is. It was a good run but eventually got limited on most of them(max bet like 1€). I was using web based surebets platform and they had a chrome extension which would open the site and automatically selects the bet , altough it was not perfect sometimes it would not work as it should.
 
Klents said:
I did surebets couple of months ago and 1 issue I could see is that telegram group might be too slow of a proccess catching those. They don’t last long and automating those like making these kind of bets would be impossible for the amount of bookies there are. Since I used my local bookies, these are not huge and limits were often very low. One site could have like 300€ limit then the other would have like 20€. I did find out ways to get the bet limit on like 6 of the bookies so I would always know what the max bet I could make is. It was a good run but eventually got limited on most of them(max bet like 1€). I was using web based surebets platform and they had a chrome extension which would open the site and automatically selects the bet , altough it was not perfect sometimes it would not work as it should.
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Thanks for sharing this — that’s exactly the kind of real-world feedback I’m looking for.

I completely agree with you. Speed, limits and account lifespan are the real bottlenecks, not finding surebets themselves. Running this as a normal Telegram signals group would clearly die fast.

That’s why I’m trying to approach it more as a tooling + execution layer rather than alerts only.

The idea is to rely mainly on a private bot instead of Telegram posts, with scraping intervals around ~30 seconds and also user-triggered refresh calls when someone is actively working. Not full automation (that’s unrealistic), but reducing stale odds as much as possible.

What I’d really like to understand from your experience is this:

– At what point did it stop being worth the effort for you? Was it because limits became too small to scale, or because execution became too annoying?

– If someone had access to cheap traffic like I do, would you still consider this worth building as a paid system, or would you personally move toward something else instead?

I’m trying to figure out whether the problem is “execution quality” or if the model itself is simply too fragile long term.

Appreciate any honest take, even if the conclusion is that it’s not worth pursuing.
 
First of all there is nothing like ‘sure bet’ mate.
 
markhanna55 said:
buy large Telegram channels related to free football streams and live match links
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Just curious, how do you parse the channels related to your niche? What’s your method of finding channels. Also, after you’ve found a channel how do you find out if the traffic within the channel is actually organically built.
 
markhanna55 said:
Thanks for sharing this — that’s exactly the kind of real-world feedback I’m looking for.

I completely agree with you. Speed, limits and account lifespan are the real bottlenecks, not finding surebets themselves. Running this as a normal Telegram signals group would clearly die fast.

That’s why I’m trying to approach it more as a tooling + execution layer rather than alerts only.

The idea is to rely mainly on a private bot instead of Telegram posts, with scraping intervals around ~30 seconds and also user-triggered refresh calls when someone is actively working. Not full automation (that’s unrealistic), but reducing stale odds as much as possible.

What I’d really like to understand from your experience is this:

– At what point did it stop being worth the effort for you? Was it because limits became too small to scale, or because execution became too annoying?

– If someone had access to cheap traffic like I do, would you still consider this worth building as a paid system, or would you personally move toward something else instead?

I’m trying to figure out whether the problem is “execution quality” or if the model itself is simply too fragile long term.

Appreciate any honest take, even if the conclusion is that it’s not worth pursuing.
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I just got limited by bookies thats the reason I stopped. I am not saying it is not worth trying but it depends on which markets you are going to target. For example the pricing would not make sense for me (299-399€) because the limits on my local bookies were quite small. The tool I was using was 30$/ month. The reason I used only my local bookies was no income tax on sports betting/gambling when using local sportsbooks.
 
I will be looking forward to the time when the final product is available. Wishing you the best
 
betsuga said:
First of all there is nothing like ‘sure bet’ mate.
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Surebets situations exist when bookmakers’ prices temporarily don’t align. The real issue isn’t whether those situations exist — it’s how quickly bookmakers react once they’re exploited.

From what I’ve seen, many users get limited fast not because arbitrage itself doesn’t work, but because execution is poor: wrong markets, wrong behavior, no structure, no expectation control.

Limits will come anyway, but execution quality makes a huge difference in how long accounts survive. That’s why education and onboarding are a core part of what I’m trying to build.
 
MaykrEXE said:
Just curious, how do you parse the channels related to your niche? What’s your method of finding channels. Also, after you’ve found a channel how do you find out if the traffic within the channel is actually organically built.
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Mostly manual to be honest looking by keywords on Telegram.

I’ve used tools like Telemetr.io before to help discover channels, but in the end it’s not something you can automate properly.

What really matters is checking things manually:
- views vs subscribers
- consistency of posts
- engagement patterns (comments, reactions)
- and whether the channel actually offers something people want, something that really can make real members to join that channel.

In my case for example most channels are related to free sports links, so it’s easy to see if the community is real because they’re actively consuming free content.

Over time you start recognizing which channels convert well and which don’t. You also end up working with a few ad managers whose channels consistently perform.

Of course you still make mistakes — I’ve bought dead traffic before but it’s part of the game.
 
I'm curious to know more about the private bot you're planning to use, markhanna55, and how you intend to balance the scraping intervals with user-triggered refresh calls to minimize stale odds. Have you considered implementing any additional features, such as odds comparison or automated bet placement, to further streamline the process? Also, for those who have been limited by bookies, what strategies have you found to be effective in evading detection or prolonging account lifespan?
 
Klents said:
I just got limited by bookies thats the reason I stopped. I am not saying it is not worth trying but it depends on which markets you are going to target. For example the pricing would not make sense for me (299-399€) because the limits on my local bookies were quite small. The tool I was using was 30$/ month. The reason I used only my local bookies was no income tax on sports betting/gambling when using local sportsbooks.
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Yeah, I agree with you — it really depends a lot on the market.

This is definitely not something that works the same way in every country, and I don’t see it as a universal product.

In my case, the idea is to focus mainly on Spain GEO, since that’s where all my Telegram traffic comes from. Here there are quite a few bookmakers available, so rotation and diversification are a bit easier compared to smaller or very local markets.

I don’t know which country you were operating from, but I think market size and available bookies change the whole equation.

Also, from what I’ve seen, limitations tend to come much faster when things are done incorrectly — poor stake sizing, hitting the same markets aggressively, no rotation, no account hygiene, etc. That’s one of the reasons I’m putting a lot of emphasis on onboarding and education before users even touch the system.

Completely agree with you though: if someone is restricted to only a couple of local sportsbooks with very low limits, then the economics simply don’t make sense.

Thanks again for sharing your experience, it’s very helpful to hear real cases like yours.
 
ikonne said:
I will be looking forward to the time when the final product is available. Wishing you the best
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Thanks a lot, appreciate it.

Still in early stages and taking feedback seriously before launching anything, but I’ll definitely share updates once things are more solid.

Thanks again for the encouragement.
 
markhanna55 said:
Yeah, I agree with you — it really depends a lot on the market.

This is definitely not something that works the same way in every country, and I don’t see it as a universal product.

In my case, the idea is to focus mainly on Spain GEO, since that’s where all my Telegram traffic comes from. Here there are quite a few bookmakers available, so rotation and diversification are a bit easier compared to smaller or very local markets.

I don’t know which country you were operating from, but I think market size and available bookies change the whole equation.

Also, from what I’ve seen, limitations tend to come much faster when things are done incorrectly — poor stake sizing, hitting the same markets aggressively, no rotation, no account hygiene, etc. That’s one of the reasons I’m putting a lot of emphasis on onboarding and education before users even touch the system.

Completely agree with you though: if someone is restricted to only a couple of local sportsbooks with very low limits, then the economics simply don’t make sense.

Thanks again for sharing your experience, it’s very helpful to hear real cases like yours.
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Good onboarding and education is good for the user. But I think the pricing still seems too steep, but it also depends on the limits bookies have there , so if there are good/big limits it might be worth. It is quite simple it must be win-win solution for both the customer and you then it works. If the customer makes money and is happy and wants to continue using your tools that means you are also making money. Have you tried doing arbitrage on Spain bookies and have data to make claims like possible returns , what are average limits etc?
 
pisicol said:
I'm curious to know more about the private bot you're planning to use, markhanna55, and how you intend to balance the scraping intervals with user-triggered refresh calls to minimize stale odds. Have you considered implementing any additional features, such as odds comparison or automated bet placement, to further streamline the process? Also, for those who have been limited by bookies, what strategies have you found to be effective in evading detection or prolonging account lifespan?
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Thank you for your reply.

Good questions.

On the scraping / update side, I’m not aiming for ultra-aggressive intervals. In my experience, chasing every short-lived opportunity usually creates more instability and those webs from where I am scraping surebets will probably ban me.

The direction I’m leaning toward is more of a controlled approach, scraping in larger intervals.

At the same time, I want to put a strong focus on education around odds movement. Many users don’t fully understand that when a price changes, a surebet can instantly stop being a surebet.

Part of the onboarding would be explaining how odds move, why timing matters, and why sometimes skipping an opportunity is the correct decision.

From a system perspective, I’m currently testing relatively large intervals. I’m also validating whether scraping frequency or refresh behavior has any impact on blocks or restrictions from the websites where data is pulled from as far as I know this happens and is an issue to deal with.

The idea is for users to understand what’s happening, rather than blindly following alerts.

Regarding additional features, I see a lot of value there, especially for non-technical users.

Some of the features I’m planning to include:

- a stake calculator where each user can configure their own staking rules
- bet history / tracking to monitor execution and performance
- bookmaker filters, so users only receive alerts from sportsbooks they actually use
- personalized alerts by sport or market to reduce noise

All of this is meant to reduce execution mistakes, not to push volume.

For automation, I’m deliberately avoiding full auto-betting. Between different betslips, KYC environments and bookmaker-side monitoring, I don’t think it’s sustainable long term. Manual execution with assisted tooling feels much safer.

A big part of the project is also education. I’m planning to include recorded onboarding and training material based on my own experience, so users understand how to use the system properly, avoid common mistakes and improve account longevity.

From what I’ve seen, most accounts don’t get limited because of the strategy itself, but because tools and betting methodology are used incorrectly.

From what I’ve seen, account lifespan isn’t really about tricks or evasion, but about overall betting behavior patterns.

If an account behaves like a rigid system all the time, it gets flagged much faster. Mixing different approaches (surebets, value-based bets, normal recreational-style bets as parleys) seems to create much more natural activity over time.

Also avoiding extreme patterns helps a lot — for example only targeting obscure or illiquid markets, or always hitting the same type of odds movements.

That’s why I’m leaning strongly toward manual execution with assisted tooling rather than full automation. Bots and auto-placement tend to be detected much faster, while human-paced execution naturally adds randomness.

The idea is not to “outsmart” bookmakers, but to reduce unnatural patterns and improve longevity through more realistic usage.

This is also something I want to communicate very clearly to users during onboarding, because misuse usually kills accounts faster than the strategy itself.

Still early stage, but that’s the direction I’m currently validating. Which are your thoughts on my view?

Thanks again for your response
 
Klents said:
Good onboarding and education is good for the user. But I think the pricing still seems too steep, but it also depends on the limits bookies have there , so if there are good/big limits it might be worth. It is quite simple it must be win-win solution for both the customer and you then it works. If the customer makes money and is happy and wants to continue using your tools that means you are also making money. Have you tried doing arbitrage on Spain bookies and have data to make claims like possible returns , what are average limits etc?
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I understand your point and I agree with the win-win logic.

From my experience, when the system is used correctly and with proper methodology, many average users are able to extract several thousand euros from bookmakers before major limitations happen — especially when rotating accounts and working with multiple sportsbooks.

Some users might get limited after €2k, others after €5–6k, and some even more. There is no fixed number and nothing is equal for everyone. It depends heavily on behavior, execution, rotation and commitment.

That uncertainty is actually one of the core reasons behind my thinking on pricing.

Since there’s no guarantee how long each user’s accounts will last, a higher upfront price allows me to amortize the customer from day one. If I relied purely on a monthly subscription and a user only stayed active for 2–3 months, the economics wouldn’t really work on my side.

At the same time, I fully agree with the win-win principle — if the user makes money and sees value, they stay. If they don’t, the model breaks.

That’s also why I seriously considered an alternative model based on CPA.

For example:
- giving full system access for free
- in exchange for 4–5 bookmaker/casino registrations
- monetizing on the backend via CPA

In theory, that would generate similar revenue to an upfront payment, while making the system free for the user — which is clearly win-win.

The problem I see is that asking for multiple registrations tends to kill conversion and also reduces perceived value of the product. People treat “free” systems very differently, and commitment drops significantly.

So I’m currently trying to balance three things:
- fair value for the user
- sustainability for the business
- and maintaining strong perceived value and commitment

Curious to hear your thoughts on this approach — how would you personally structure it given these constraints?

Thanks again for the honest feedback.
 
I think your pricing is a bit high, and this will be a turn of for most users, also CPA might not work long term because those you are referring to the bookmakers are bad customers if they intend using your service on same bookmakers. As you know with soft bookmakers winners are not welcomed, and with time, these bookmakers will notice a pattern with your referrals that they are smart bettors, which will end up bleeding them long term. Except your CPA will be on sharps like pinnacle, and exchanges. And your subscribers base will depends hugely on availability of bookmakers.
 
stake_all said:
I think your pricing is a bit high, and this will be a turn of for most users, also CPA might not work long term because those you are referring to the bookmakers are bad customers if they intend using your service on same bookmakers. As you know with soft bookmakers winners are not welcomed, and with time, these bookmakers will notice a pattern with your referrals that they are smart bettors, which will end up bleeding them long term. Except your CPA will be on sharps like pinnacle, and exchanges. And your subscribers base will depends hugely on availability of bookmakers.
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That’s a very fair point, and I agree with a lot of what you’re saying.

You’re right that CPA with soft bookmakers is problematic long term, since winners are not welcome and referral quality becomes an issue over time.

Regarding pricing, I’m not married to a single structure yet — I’m mainly trying to find the right balance between commitment, accessibility and sustainability.

I see a few possible directions:

- lower upfront access fee + smaller monthly subscription
- higher upfront with lower monthly
- or even monthly-only, but with stricter onboarding and filtering

Each has trade-offs, especially when account lifespan is uncertain.

My main concern with pure monthly models is short user lifespan — if someone only stays active for 2–3 months, it becomes difficult to cover support, onboarding and development, especially for a hands-on system.

Out of curiosity, if you were structuring this yourself, which direction would you personally lean toward given these constraints?

Appreciate the honest feedback.
 
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