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ScrapeBox TechSupport NEEDed!!

Discussion in 'Proxies' started by renegaderats, Aug 23, 2011.

  1. renegaderats

    renegaderats Junior Member

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    Thank You for taking a look at my delema!
    Let me just say right off the bat that I would not be posting this thread without having done my own thourogh research first.
    While I know how to find my way around this type of thing Im certanly no networking expert and have no idea where to start when it comes to diagnosing & reparing this type of problem.
    I VERY MUCH appreciate your assistance in this matter.

    **This does not relate directly to proxies but towords a scrapebox+networking problem I am experiancing. I wasnt 100% about where to post, however due to the networking nature of both this forum category and my thread I decided this would be an exceptable place for it. If a mod determines this to be the wrong location than please feel free to relocate this thread. Thank You.**


    Okay so jumping right into it...
    I have owned and used scrapebox for the past 6 months, it is a wonderful peice of software. Recently though i have been experiencing some technical difficultys while using it. I am sure this is a network issue as i have no reason to beleve my instillation is currupt.

    The problem started about a week ago when i fired up SB and started running a blast as usual. I let it run for about 30 minutes and checked back to find that it had started posting incredibly slow and with a terrible success rate. I let it run over night to see if it would "snap out of it" but i woke in the morning (8hrs) to find that it had only run maybe 80K URLs and of those only had something like 5K successes. I continued to let SB run untill it hit exactly 48 hours of non stop running on the same URL list at which point i had only been able to run through just shy of 600K URLs, of these 600K i only had about 48000 sucesses!!

    Usually my 700K list would have been done and waiting for me with at very least a 30% success rate.

    My Specs...
    I am running SB on win.7 with 4GB RAM and an i5 processer. Its a standard internet connection, probly 15 or 20 mbit, I was running it on this same connection just fine the day before though.

    I am using 10x private SquidProxies, all pass the proxy checker just fine. I was innitally using 50 connections but droped it down to 30 than 10, it made no differance.

    My Thoughts...
    Im not sure if my isp is throttling my connection, or if it's a configuration issue, or something else have overlooked. Like I stated above I am no networking expert.

    I'm open to the idea of seting up a VPS to run SB on but I would STRONGLY prefer to hold off on that for a few months if possible simply because i have other pressing financial prioritys.

    I tried using DNS 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 as suggested by SweetFunny to another member with a similer problem, but with no luck.
    (http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/225720-my-isp-throttling-me-what-can-i-do.html).

    I would greatly appreciate any advice or assistance you guys/gals would be gracious enough to offer.

    NOTE: I just moved into this apartment less than a month ago so its a new ISP who I have no history running scrapebox with. There are 2 roommates who have been here for a while using this connection but they dont use much bandwith at all. I mention this because Im sure the bandwith usage went thew the fu*king roof when I moved in, which is what leads me to beleve I could be experiencing the wrath of COX internet's throttling.

    Thanks again BHW, You are invaluble!
    -RenegaeRats
     
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  2. HatIsBlack

    HatIsBlack Regular Member

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    Since you recently moved i can ask this i guess. Are you behind NAT? is your broadband modem or any other equipment using some form of protection like anti flooding? Well turn all such tings off and try again.
     
  3. dowser

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    It's very possible it's your ISP, not necessarily throttling, but simply heaving overloaded line that slows down at peak times. There is an app you can install for the network monitoring, forgot the name, it's one of the gadgets on the right taskbar (I'm not that familiar with win7 yet).

    Also - have you adjusted the tcp/ip settings as advised here somewhere?
     
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  5. renegaderats

    renegaderats Junior Member

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    My proxie's bandwith varies from a few hundred to a few thousand but is rarly over 3K (though it was up in the 8K-9K range today SQUID;))
     
  6. GoldenGlovez

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    Greetings Renegaderats,

    How long have you been using SquidProxies? I've used them in the past and find if you are flagged for posting on their proxies they will move you to a different proxy server (typically the IPs start in the 90.* range). This causes posting and harvesting speeds to drop significantly. I would start troubleshooting by investigating this first. I now only use SquidProxies for harvesting (NEVER posting as they will move you to a new set of proxies without even notifying you)

    Scrapebox doesn't really consume that much bandwidth, so throttling by the ISP seems unlikely to me. Unless you have hit a bandwidth cap that is part of your service plan. In a 48 hour harvesting session I would use about 40GB of bandwidth. Downloading HD movies can consume this much in a shorter period of time.

    Regards,
    GoldenGlovez

    Edit: After reading your last post I would be inclined to say the issue is SquidProxies. Report back what IP range and latency is reported by the proxy testing tool inside Scrapebox.
     
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  7. balsagoth007

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    A good latency is something below 1000-1500ms, what latency your proxies have ?
    Mine have 300-600ms
     
  8. renegaderats

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    IP range is 5x 69.162.162.XXX and 5x 208.100.18.XXX
    Latency is 2x 203, 4x 3151, 4x 9142
    This is a significant jump almost overnight as when i signed up i never had anything over a couple hundred.
    I have been with squid about a month now.
    There was a case where my proxies were coming back as blocked ip so i Emailed them and asked for new ones because "my software says there all blocked IPs" the quickly sent me 10x new ones with a screen shot of the scrapebox proxy checker showing the new ones all green & clean. at this point they were all under 300 latency and within the same range. I took this andthere presense here on BHW as a greenlight to use SB with them.
    regarding my last post, that issue was never resolved but when i moved it became irrelevant (or so i thought), Since after I moved to the new ISP i ran scrapebox with no problems for about 3 weeks (3x 500k blasts or so/week) while using the same proxies I used on the last ISP, I assumed that they were not the culprit. The only varriable I see is the change of ISP & my real IP.

    By the way GoldenGlovez, I esspesially appreciate your participation in resolving this as I have found MANY of your posts of MUCH value, you're obviously an expert on the subject and I'm one to make sure credit is given where its due.
    Listen up BHW you can learn a lot from this guy.
     
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  9. bluegarden

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    if you are using AutoApprove lists then it would be pointless to use PROXIES. i never use proxies when blasting AA list.

    your comments will be approved wether you have proxy or not. PRoxies will only slow down your blast.

    PROXIES are useless too for moderated blogs using AKISMET since their IP Addresses will be blocked after a couple of hours of blasting and all your comments will go to the SPAM FOLDER on Wordpress and that is FOREVER not unless you E-mail AKISMET to unblock your domain or your proxy IP.

    once you E-mail AKISMET to unblock your proxy, it would take 2 or 3 months for them to unblock your IP. You blast again and after a couple of hours, your proxy IP will be blocked again. Not Good Dude.
     
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  10. theindiaphile

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    Yes, I would change your proxy supplier as a first off. GoldenGlovez has a good point there - they may overused. I use Your Private Proxy which aren't the cheapest but have always been reliable for me.

    Also, as Bluegarden says, try it without proxies on an auto app list -

    Try reducing the number of connections.

    Sorry this is all pretty basic advice and you've probably already tried it. I've recently switched to a VPS actually because ultimately it pays for itself, and frees up my laptop for my important stuff. Cheap VPS solutions offers a good price and a good couple of free lists each month.

    Hope you get it sorted!
     
  11. xbox360gurl70s

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    the issue can be of two things as I have talked with one of my techie guys here in the office.

    1. ISP slow down and capping problem - when they hit a certain thresh hold in their limits, they will slow down your speeds, so basically a posting in 2 sec can go the full 90 sec and still fail, that's about near 100% slowdown per post. so posting on 100 blogs which in a good ISP can be in just 2 sec, now ends up in 9 minutes. thus having to post in a big list of 700k ends up way too long

    2. Router decoding and security strictness - some routers that has decoding encoding and strict security measures may slow down downloads tremendously, but viewing streamings wont be affected. I suggest you check out your instructions manual and try posting a scrapebox blast without security or direct LAN and not in wifi



    hope this 2 recommendations helps
     
  12. renegaderats

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    Thanks for the new info, I will investigate both of these first thing in the morning and report back with any relevant details.

    As far as switching proxy providers Is there a coupon code for YourPrivateProxies? otherwise what else does the community reccomend as $60/month for 25 YPP-Proxies is outragous.
     
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  13. loopline

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    Well mate, if I were a betting man, I would bet that 95%+ of your problem can be summed up in 1 word:

    COX


    Cox is great as company, and they provide fast speeds, I used them when I lived in Phoenix, I even applied to work for them back some years ago. Anyway, traditionally though cable companies only own the "last mile" of the lines and they have poor DNS. I have used scrapebox with Comcast and their DNS is so poor that it would almost be quicker to send the comment via the pony express. (US history PUN).

    That said, it actually could be a myriad of problems. So lets talk for a minute about that.

    DNS of your provider is likely your issue, if their DNS is slow it will cause many requests to never get resolved, they will just hang there until the timeout is up. Which is why it would seem that everythign slowed down and why success is so low at the same time. Using a public DNS is a good test, but they aren't made nor do they want rapid fire connections like you need to use with scrapebox. So its limited. The unfortunate truth is that you are going to be at the mercy of the DNS of your ISP so long as you run it at home. If you could get a phone company to provide you interent, like Qwest, AT&T or Verizon, DNS would likely be more solid. I know AT&T and Verizon is solid, I haven't used Qwest, but its likely they aren't bad.

    Using public DNS is not likely to actually work out better then using your ISPs in the US anyway, at least not with a big company (in my experience). Cause the company makes their DNS good enough to be as good as say google DNS, but not stellar. So your only option, if it is DNS is to turn your connections WAY down and let it run slow or go to a VPS or Dedi in a data center. They DNS is very solid in every data center and its very local too. See with your DNS it might have to physically travel 50-100 miles+ to resolve the DNS. In a data center it just travels across the room. That might not seem like much, but when you are talking thousands upon thousands of connections and queries that need to be resolved, that time just adds up.

    Its possible that the company is throtteling you too, you can call and ask them, and the first line tech probably will give you a answer, thats 50/50 chance right. I would call and talk to at least 3 different people and figure you own answer from there. Turning your connections way down though, even to like 5 and checking it out, that would be the test.

    I suppose I should have addressed first that fact that it might be a bad list. Looking at the error codes after each post would tell you, if they all say timeout then its connections, if its random numbers and other stuff, then its probably a bad list.

    You would have to test a list on 2 different ISPs/DNS to truely get an accurate picture of whats exactly is going on there.

    If success goes up when the connections go down then you have a network issue. If you have someone else run the list or you are able to, on a different ISP and you get the same results, you probably have a bad list. If you put it at like 2 connections and your success isn't going up at all, then you might well have a bad list.

    Also of course it could be your proxies, but if you have used the same one and the only thing that has changed is the list and ISP, then its probably one of those two.

    The other thing, as someone said, is it could be your router. I know I had to buy a high end router at one point on 1 connection, cause my mid range one couldn't handle what I wanted it to do. If you have a laptop, take it to a friends house and run a test on a different ISP as sample, from the same list, then play process of elimination from there.
     
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  14. GoldenGlovez

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    Unacceptable speeds, and likely the sole cause of your poor performance. Like I mentioned in my original post, twice I've used SquidP for posting and both times I was moved to a different server with latency times reflecting yours (This decreased performance greatly). I use YourPrivateProxies for heavy posting use (200-300 Latency) and are solid proxies for the extra cost.

    Hope this helps.

    Regards,
    GoldenGlovez

    P.S SquidProxies are fantastic (and cheap) for only harvesting use.
     
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    Yes your very right on this. I have tried mutiple proxy providers. Your Private Proxy may cost a bit more, but they are super solid. I hammer them relentlessly and they stand continue to work perfectly.
     
  16. renegaderats

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    Lots of good information here, let me go ahead and do some testing and i will report back asap.

    If I were to get a VPS it would probably be with XsServer since that seems to be the general concensous here on BHW as to the "who is the best VPS within that price range?" question that gets asked so frequently.
    My concern honestly is I have never run a server of any sort before and to be honest its a little intimidating to set up & maintain a VPS. I think its mostly because I am having a hard time finding quality information on the subject, once informed I'm sure its not that difficult.
    Would someone be so kind as to explain to me the process of setting up a VPS at XsServer. Will I need to install my OS with my own Key like i have seen some sites require. What about Anti-Virus/Security (Avira AV+Comodo Firewall+SandieBox+VPN@HMA)?
    The VPS only has 1GB-RAM & 90GB-HDD/Disc, Also a VPS runs on Windows Server 2008 while most software specificly states XP/Vista/7 in there required OS section. Does this mean that the software in incompatible?
    I ran across a dedicated server at pritell.com with much better specs than XsServer for the same $35/monthbut you have to provide your own OS Key. Does anyone have experience with them? See my other thread HERE for more details.
    EDIT: I have determined PriTell to not be what i need for my purposes but decided to leave the information on them up as it might be a valuable solution for someone else in the community looking to do something besides heavy scrapebox blasts like i will be doing. I have quoted in full an Email I received from them in response to a list of question I sent in. You can find this Email on my other thread linked just above in this post.

    Regarding proxies let me quote my self from above and ask again...
    **Loopline, Thank you for your expertise on this matter. It is highly valued.**
     
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  17. GoldenGlovez

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    Xserver.eu, ThrustVPS.com and Burst.net are all viable options. Personally, I find you will have better performance using a provider with a datacenter located stateside. I would also go for a 2GB system if you have any intention of running SB extensivly or more than one copy. I've seen a single copy of SB reach up to 2 GB alone during a massive link checking session. These providers also include installation/key and setup in your purchase.

    As for software compatibility, Windows 7 and Server 2008 are built on nearly identical kernels. 99% of applications that run Windows 7 will work on 2008 without a hitch. Same goes for most Vista applications. XP/2000 can provide some issues however depending on the application.

    I don't believe there are any publicly (or private) available coupons for YourPrivateProxy. For your posting needs 10 proxies is more than enough to handle large sessions. While the cost is $30/mo you ARE paying for high quality private proxies (the best I've seen around).

    Best of luck!

    Regards,
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  18. renegaderats

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    Thanks GoldenGlovez!
    I think i've pretty much decided that its just time to up the antie and spend the money on the proper resources.
    I've looked at thrust and burst VPS and they both have bandwith restrictions, XsServer does not. Its my intention to run 2 instances of ScrapeBox 24/7 + tweetattacks OR answer-assault (rotating).
    I will opt for the 2GB-RAM package for this. Its my understanding that for this I would need at least 20 private proxies, is that correct?
    I have seen some paid lists available here on BHW which are much more affordable and boast comparable latencys when tested, are these reliable?
    I will be setting this up in 2 days (friday) and would like to get all my facts straight a head of time.
    Thanks again to everyone here!
     
  19. yoyo33

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    I tried not to use proxies on AA blogs.
    I retried with private proxies failed URLS and there were some of them posted.
    I'm noob :) but I'm not sure it's a good idea to go without proxies when posting AA.
    What do you think?