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Scrapebox Noob: I am scared

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by jb2008, Jul 19, 2010.

  1. jb2008

    jb2008 Senior Member

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    Hey guys,

    I guess this will be my first topic. I have been down and out, I got back up and managed to scrape enthusiasm from somewhere (well, at the time I was genuinely excited about ecommerce), and I tried to start my own online business. 2 years later and I have $10,000 of debt, and nothing. I have exhausted all avenues of getting any more money, I have been run dry by the whole project.

    Over two thirds of this money has gone to SEO, after some f*king useless ******** indians that still make me angry to this day, my website is PR 3 and ranking on page 5-10 for some competitive terms. Absolute trash. I guess you learn a lot of lessons. I now have a good team but unfortunately I spent the last of my money so after this project which has been paid for , I have nothing.

    I feel that I have been pushed into a corner. I guess I am answering my own questions here but, I am REALLY scared of being G-Slapped or banned from adsense. The slap would most likely be the end of me, since I am now trying to make adsense sites a la XFactor, I am really worried that my adsense account will be banned if I use scrapebox to rank on Google.

    My SEO guy is telling me as a friend, not to do this. He says it could ruin me. But then I figure, I'm already ruined. I need something special to turn my life around and black hat could be it. But if I get banned by Google in Adsense, I don't have the money to form a corporation, get a new address etc., I would basically be done for. Even stuff like registering a new domain, getting new stock images, for the most simple of websites, would be really difficult for me.

    At the moment Xrumer is out of my price range and it seems a bit too powerful, so I am looking at scrapebox to get me quality backlinks. I have a few basic questions, if you would be so kind:


    1. What is the likelihood I will get caught on scrapebox, if I want, for example, 500 links (not just submissions) for each site that I make? I know you guys at BHW might be biased, but I am asking for as unbiased an opinion as you can possibly muster...?

    2. What is the likelihood I would get banned from adsense?

    3. Are there any ways of recovering from such a major G-Slap?

    4. What are your experiences with Scrapebox?

    5. Are there any ways of using Scrapebox to build backlinks in the most White Hat way possible? I am a scared noob, pls.


    Any answers would be much appreciated and a HELLO from me to all blackhatters. Once you go black , you never go back. I feel that I am just about reaching the tipping point.


    James
     
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  2. kaidoristm

    kaidoristm Power Member

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    If your scared in blackhat then your probably in wrong forum.
     
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  3. shin610

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  4. Italian Hawk

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    I agree with kaidoristm. If you can't risk the penalties of black hat, don't do it. Don't go black hat on your money making sites because if those get slapped by Google then you've got no source of income. My question is, $10,000 down on SEO? What in the world did you spend it on and continue spending it on when you didn't see the required progress with return on investment?

    Scrapebox isn't likely to get you pushed down in Google unles you don't know how to use it. I am not sure about the rules on adsense. Personally, I'd build all my links to the site and then when I'm done with that, put adsense back up.

    You shouldn't be too worried though. I mean if this is a $10,000 investment worthy niche I can guarantee there are probably many better ways of monetizing it than adsense. If you invested $10,000 into a site hoping to make it back on adsense I would love to know your niche.

    If you are looking to go white hat with black hat, I mean, this is my suggestion.

    Use the keyword scraper like anybody else would. Get a huge list, I'm talking like 25,000 domains or so. Then get the PR for them. Sort by PR. Export the list to a .txt document. Select the first 10 or so links (remember, these will be the ones with the higher PR) and paste them into urlopener.com. Open all at once. Manually comment. Repeat until you get bored. 25,000 blogs, you're likely to get a few hundred with some pretty high pageranks. These will be the better ones to manually comment. Granted, these are very likely not going to be auto approve and so you could post 100 comments in maybe 2 hours manually and only get 10 of them or less to actually approve versus the software it takes no time and some might approve (granted, they aren't the same quality).

    That's completely white hat. You're gathering your blogs with a black hat method I suppose, but you're actually commenting white hat so there is no way Google or anybody else would even know you're using Scrapebox.
     
  5. rickstar

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    Adsense accounts don't tend to get banned for SEO abuse. As long as the traffic arriving at your website isn't falsely clicking your ads, you'll be fine.
     
  6. jb2008

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    Yeah, okay guys, I'm a noob, I'm scared, it's not a crime. I have been PWNED so many times I've lost count. I would just like to do some PWNING for once, without getting G-Slapped aka PWNED once again.

    I'm not racist I was just expressing my anger at the indians who took my money. I guess I was stupid. Also, the field was competitive and I understood that SEO took time. I should have been more results oriented at the start.

    Italian Hawk, thanks for your help. That's what gets me -- I comment manually about 100 times, spend hours on it and get maybe 5 links. It's just not worth it, completely ineffective. I just want to know the safest way of auto blog commenting, and if google can find out at all.
     
  7. Scripteen

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    If you are scared to apply scrapebox directly to your website. Build some web 2.0 pages linking to to your website then apply scrapebox to these web 2.0 pages instead.
     
  8. youngguy

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    jb2008 I can feel your pain. Listen up: GIVE MIDDLE FINGER @ ADSENSE and you will be fine!
     
  9. Crixus

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    You could always put up a test domain to get a handle on the app. Try out a new niche or two while you're at it.

    Once you're comfortable, use it elsewhere or keep your current money stuff clean if you're worried about it.
     
  10. tomlondon

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    I have a very limited experience in SEO and blackhat stuff but I bought the Scrapebox a few weeks ago. Very usefull tool and you can use it in a whitehat way just to scrape high PR blogs and then manually posting relevant comments that make sense (as opposed to usual gibberish like "I found your blog on G00gle, very interesting, keep up the good work" LOL). I will only repeat what others said about being banned by g00gle - if you were able to shoot yourself in the foot with Scrapebox, then you can blast all your competitors out of Google as well, just by spamlinking their websites. Imagine this - thousands of teenagers with their $47 copy of SB sending ransom notes to big companies threatening them with Scrapebox blasts... As someone said before - get some t\/mblr or w0rdpre$$ free one page blogs and then point all your links to those sites and use them as a buffer.

    On the other hand, I have not noticed a massive change in SERP for my websites, despite some going from 0 to 100 links (indexed by Yahoo, not by Google though, maybe it takes time???) in a space of a week. They still sit roughy where they were before I started my spamming campaign.

    On yet another hand - I started my first website in February, without knowing jack-shit about SEO, coding, php, wordpress, joomla, HTML etc. I now have a tiny portfolio of just 10 niche websites and my C0mi$$ion J\/nct|0n paycheck is now sitting at £400 even though there are still 10 days left until the end of the month!!! I may be breaking £500 barrier this month - not bad for a complete n00b, is it? All thanks to hours of reading the BHW forum and learning about SEO. Once you go black you never go back!
     
  11. xboxps3wow

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    Maybe start smaller? Find a niche that is not competitive and see if you can rank for that.
     
  12. jb2008

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    Scripteen, for the suggestion, it sounds like a good idea, does it actually work?

    gamecity, how competitive was the niche you were optimizing? I just am sure I am missing something if you can spend just 150 and get results the second month, that's excellent. What did you do? / How did you do it?

    tomlondon, So you are saying I just get a free WP blog and scrapebox that instead? Wouldn't google find out I am just linking to my site and still ban my site anyway? Or ban me from adsense? Or can I just say it was some guy who I thought was being white hat, etc.? / And I didn't know anything about it...

    To all, I am a noob but I want to learn all your methods. Btw, xboxps3wow, I love your picture .
     
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    How do you spend 10k on SEO and not earn a thing..

    For that much you could have just bought an established website that is already bringing in money. Or better yet, spend the 10k on advertising for some clickbank products.
     
  14. tomlondon

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    That's what I am doing - get a squid00 lens, write some content, put a link in it. Same goes for a free w0rdpre$$ account - there are probably hundreds of websites now allowing you to create a blog - just make sure it has some relevant content written around the link. You can also use SB to ping those sites and artificially inflate their popularity, thus increasing the value of the link. Just don't go overboard with the pinging, as the author of SB mentioned in some other post here, on a limited bandwith or shared server you can take someone's site down, it kinda works like DDOS attack. To quote wikipedia "Denial-of-service attacks commonly constitute violations of the laws of individual nations" - so be careful out there with the pinging and use proxies, ideally private.

    I also link directly to my sites and I have not been banned yet. I think it is a matter of common sense - manually posting comments on high PR blogs will never get you banned. Same goes for autoposting comments - as long as it is consistent and you do not go overboard (like from 0 to 1,000,000 links in a week on a brand new domain) you should be fine. Also, I am under impression that you won't be banned by adsense if you have spammy links going to your website (or can you? can someone correct me if I am wrong?), you may be banned when you put adsense on thin, made-for-adsense websites with no content or websites with porn, warez, gambling, inciting racial hatred and so on.
     
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  15. jb2008

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    moretubeviews, well, I went straight into a very competitive market, and the indians just kept promising me improvements but they could not keep to the promises, so I went from company to company but none of them could give me any results. It seems to me their methods of SEO were feeble, they just did manual forum posting, blog commenting, article and directory submissions, social bookmarking. None of them could promise results because they claimed that they were not affiliated with Google and so could not guarantee anything. I am just sick of loads of useless indian companies trying to take my money, and right now I am skeptical as to whether SEO even works. I have tried to do it myself with no results, I just don't know where I'm going wrong.


    Tom, gratitude for your help, I am wondering how many pings would be a safe amount? Also, what are you CTRs like for your blog, i.e. CTR to your site. If you only have a 10% CTR to your site and that has a 10% CTR, you are only getting an effective 1% CTR which is pretty bad...
     
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    I wouldnt go testing scrapebox on that domain. Use other buffer sites for now

    10k in india is a serious amount of money. Id say you bought them about 2 houses each
     
  17. bradsimon

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    Well! If your domain has good age then don't worry about using scrapebox...google will not penalise you.Dont know what others have to say on this but according to my experience if you have good domain age then you can go at pretty at fast rate without any penalities:eek:k:
     
  18. tomlondon

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    No problem, I am a complete noob as well. With regards to the pings, I would assume that each ping kinda represents one visit to your website. If my website gets 100 visitors in a minute I will be perfectly fine (by the way, you can set random ping frequency on SB, very clever). But if it gets 100.000 visitors per minute for an hour straight I would be in trouble, I would use up all my bandwith allowance. I would probably set 100 random-timed pings in the evening, then go to sleep, another 100 in the morning before I go to work, etc. Something reasonable.
    CTRs - 90% of my money comes from one website promoting a very unique service from C0mi$$ion Jct that pays about GBP 50 per sale. So I only needed 10 converted sales to get to GBP 500 a month. I get about 1000 unique visitors, maybe 10% click on banners and further 10% complete the action required - but that transfers to 500 quid, which isn't bad for a 4 month old site. I am now working on increasing the traffic, I am bidding on some Adwords keywords (money well spent if done wisely) and I see a steady 10-20% rise in number of users. My other sites are not doing that well, but all make some money (20-50 GBP a month) bar one, which is basically a one page with almost zero content, but still ranks on 4th page of google on a VERY popular and extremly expensive keyword. Unluckily, being on 4th page means exactly 0 traffic, so I have to work on the content. Just finished a brand new website yesterday with one word domain name for a very good keyword with almost no competition. This is my mantra now - research and find popular keywords, check on the competition, try to find a domain name to match the keyword and then build 5-10 page blog with keyword rich content. Ad some Adsense, see if I can get some affiliate links from CJ and others (pays a ton more than Adsense) and repeat the process. Good luck!
     
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  19. hollaholla

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    i run various ecom sites, very sucsessfully. Couple of them do about £1k sales a day. If you want i can have a look at yours and give you some tips and show you a couple of our more successful ones.

    We may even be able to help you out if you have a decent product and want a JV.

    Feel free to pm.
     
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    Tom, I copy and pasted your post, I will try out your suggestions.

    Yes, I am aware that 10k is a lot for those indians.

    EDIT: I tried to post more but BHW prevented me from posting for some reason. When is this limit going to be lifted.
     
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