Ridiculous 301 Misunderstanding - Lost Link Juice Forever

splishsplash said:

It does remain in effect as long as the 301 is in place. But some people think when you remove a 301, that site A is dead, and has no juice left.

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I see what you're saying. My confusion was that I didn't think anyone ever removed a 301. Didn't know a person would do that as there doesn't seem a reason to remove it and lose the juice (unless maybe they've given up on doing SEO for the money site the domain was redirected to, I guess?).

Even if I am black sheep, I am telling you from experience sometimes 301 do magic, sometimes nothing and sometimes even negative.

So choose carefully what and how many domains you redirect.

Better one expensive then 5 smallest.

And oh, also must be laser target.

I think as long as it is done properly, the power of the 301 is very powerful. Some people has achieved great success with 301.
1 site only needs 1-2 301 redirects

Wait, what? people think it that way?

What do you think about 301 redirects from language A to language B? For example: If the previous domain uses the English language, Can I re-use it to build a money site in French, Spanish, etc... any language other than English
Does it work well?

splishsplash said:

Why do so many people think a "301 redirect", ie "permanent redirect" means that the domain PERMANENTLY passes all link juice to whatever it points, like it's a cup of juice and it's just emptied it?

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So what you are saying is that 301 redirect link juice pass is a lie and Change of address that google has in its search console is just something which they introduced for fun only.

alonelywriter said:

So what you are saying is that 301 redirect link juice pass is a lie and Change of address that google has in its search console is just something which they introduced for fun only.

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For 2020, you should become @ahappywriter.

that has never been a misconception for me. Yup there are folks who think that this is what 301 redirect does. But tbh, it only takes the user to the other page and only passed link authority to that other page until 301 redirect is removed. Few days back, I actually redirected the whole site to a new domain name and then decided to have both domains with different websites.

Guess what? Both sites are now ranking for similar keywords right before and after each other. LOL

Hasnain Haider Abbas said:

that has never been a misconception for me. Yup there are folks who think that this is what 301 redirect does. But tbh, it only takes the user to the other page and only passed link authority to that other page until 301 redirect is removed. Few days back, I actually redirected the whole site to a new domain name and then decided to have both domains with different websites.

Guess what? Both sites are now ranking for similar keywords right before and after each other. LOL

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Is the content on 2 websites exactly the same?

301 vs 302 is more for Google and how it manages it's index.

Page A -> 301 -> Page B

301 tells Google that the page can be removed from the index and it doesn't have to recrawl the page. Next time Google sees this link (A) on some other site (C), it can skip following (crawling) it (A) and instead can look at the page the 301 points to (B).

302 tells it, this is temporary redirect and Google should follow and crawl the page A again.

When a URL is 301'ed, Google may not crawl it again in the future. Ofcourse the actual implementation might make other choices.

The question therefore is not about link juice wearing off BUT how to get Google to reconsider and force crawling of the page (A). GSC is one way. Rest all might be experimental - building links or adding social signals.

splishsplash said:

A 301 is only transferring link power for the duration of that 301 being active. Once it's removed, the power remains on the original domain. There's no "permanent passing of link juice".

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The post is saying that a 301 does NOT permanently transfer link juice from site A to site B. Some people think once you have 301'd, the original domain is useless. I am saying this is nonsense and that 301 and 302 are ancient HTTP status codes that have been around since before Google. The word "permanent" has nothing to do with juice being permanently transferred.

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If what you say is true, I don't see ANY difference between 301 and 302. Both codes redirect the links (and the juice) from A to B, until 301 and 302 are active. Once you stop them, you go back to the initial situation.
So, for you, what's the difference between 301 and 302?

Thank you for this thread, the amount of people who believe that after a 301 redirect, the domain loses all of its link juice forever is astounding. Good 10 - 20% of domain buyers.

Funny fact is, that if it really worked like that, it wouldn't only completely break the Internet and Google SEO, but that most expired/auction domains were at some point 301ed to a parking page, whether you see it in Archive or not. Parking pages would then be some pretty ridiculous backlink powerhouses.

alonelywriter said:

So what you are saying is that 301 redirect link juice pass is a lie and Change of address that google has in its search console is just something which they introduced for fun only.

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No, I'm saying that a 301 isn't a "one-time" thing, that once it's used, the domain is dead. While the 301 is active, the juice is passed. The juice remains on the original site, it is not "permanently" passed.

PeterPerseo said:

If what you say is true, I don't see ANY difference between 301 and 302. Both codes redirect the links (and the juice) from A to B, until 301 and 302 are active. Once you stop them, you go back to the initial situation.
So, for you, what's the difference between 301 and 302?

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301 and 302 are NOT seo terms and NOT google terms. They are ancient HTTP status codes. They have literally zero to do with seo.

Permanent does not mean "permanent transfer of link juice", it just means the intention behind the 301 is that it's a "permanent" change. A 302 is just setting an intention that it's temporary. These are web server codes. HTTP codes.

Here, see this

https://stackoverflow.com/questions/1393280/http-redirect-301-permanent-vs-302-temporary

Status 301 means that the resource (page) is moved permanently to a new location. The client/browser should not attempt to request the original location but use the new location from now on.

Status 302 means that the resource is temporarily located somewhere else, and the client/browser should continue requesting the original url.

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You use a 301, because your intention is that it's a permanent redirect. You aren't going to use the old domain. How google treats the 2 of them is up for debate, and not that important. What isn't up for debate is that google does NOT permanently pass, ie, MOVE link juice from 1 domain to another. It's just like a link.

Nargil said:

Thank you for this thread, the amount of people who believe that after a 301 redirect, the domain loses all of its link juice forever is astounding. Good 10 - 20% of domain buyers.

Funny fact is, that if it really worked like that, it wouldn't only completely break the Internet and Google SEO, but that most expired/auction domains were at some point 301ed to a parking page, whether you see it in Archive or not. Parking pages would then be some pretty ridiculous backlink powerhouses.

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Yeah, it is utterly ridiculous. I've had amazing domains and people just don't want them because they have had a 301. Domain selling is a frustrating business. I prefer selling pbn posts where I don't have to debate with people what works. I KNOW what works and I set it up the best way. People are incredibly picky when it comes to domains. Rather than a food & drink domain, people want a domain that was about slow cooked blueberry pies, made with organic blueberries, in a red oven, in the spring time, and on top of all that they don't want a 301 redirect, they want 300+ RD, authority links and they want to pay $300 for it if you're lucky. lol.

Mr.Never said:

Is the content on 2 websites exactly the same?

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initially, the content was the same but then I changed my previous site into a blog(which it was originally) and setup my new domain as an affiliate site. But for 2-3 months my old site was still ranking for keywords that were related to my new affiliate site because Google took some extra time to understand that those affiliate pages were not there on the blog. I still have these sites just ranking before and after each other for some keywords for which I have optimized pages on both sites.

I thought that was common sense, right? Who'd think link juice would be passed even after the redirection has stopped.

splishsplash said:

These are ancient HTTP web server status codes.

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Are you a programmer? 3** response codes are not ancient. There are only a handful of status codes from the entire range that have been deprecated. It's up to the client to decide how to handle them, though.

rafark said:

I thought that was common sense, right? Who'd think link juice would be passed even after the redirection has stopped.


Are you a programmer? 3** response codes are not ancient. There are only a handful of status codes from the entire range that have been deprecated. It's up to the client to decide how to handle them, though.

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It's ancient, buddy.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1945

It's been around since http 1.0. That's the rfc from 1996 talking about the status codes.

Ancient doesn't mean they are deprecated. It means they have been around for a long time.

splishsplash said:

A 301 is only transferring link power for the duration of that 301 being active. Once it's removed, the power remains on the original domain.

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Wow I thought everyone knew this. Can't believe anyone thought a 301 passed permanent juice. It'd be like printing money, just point a 301 to several random sites and bam, perpetual juice.

bartosimpsonio said:

Wow I thought everyone knew this. Can't believe anyone thought a 301 passed permanent juice. It'd be like printing money, just point a 301 to several random sites and bam, perpetual juice.

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Perpetual juice motion machine.

bartosimpsonio said:

Wow I thought everyone knew this. Can't believe anyone thought a 301 passed permanent juice. It'd be like printing money, just point a 301 to several random sites and bam, perpetual juice.

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Except, what some people think is that, a domain is like a cup of juice, and when you 301 site A to site B, you're pouring that juice into site B, and now site A is empty, dead, useless, worth nothing. Lost all its power and can't be used as a money site, pbn or to 301 anything else.

splishsplash said:

Except, what some people think is that, a domain is like a cup of juice, and when you 301 site A to site B, you're pouring that juice into site B, and now site A is empty, dead, useless, worth nothing. Lost all its power and can't be used as a money site, pbn or to 301 anything else.

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You know Chrome won't forget a 301 as long as you don't clear browsing history? It'll redirect forever as long as you don't close it or clear history.

Googlebot is Chrome, so it will also behave the same. A 301 takes a very long time to clear.