Permanently Closed Marketplace Sales Thread

[bbob1970]

For starters, the fact that you are sighting Google Bowling is unsettling to say the least and the fact that you specifically stated 'new domain' when the point had been behind people's established money making sites.

Now I have to dig a little more deeply (mind you all of this would be unnecessary if you gave a free trial period for people).

1 - Why are you claiming that the software only leaves links in 'shady' places? You say it operates as if it scraped the top 100 urls, then its backlinks through Yahoo! Site explorer. Surely there will be non-shady communities where the software drops a link, if this is how it operates. Is it only targeting a certain CMS, blog, ect? Also, just because a place links to you does not mean that it will harm you.

2 - Google Bowling won't work nowadays. As I said before, it's unsettling for you to cite a 5 year old illegal tactic and claim that it is a risk today. You even posted a link to a 5 year old article, which makes me think that you aren't actually in the business of SEO (which I am and have been for many years) but in the business of writing software (which is ok) I don't really think I need to go further into that.

3 - You specifically mentioned 'new domain' which is key, because these are the sites likely to be penalized by using the software, if they overdue it. As far as penalization, de-indexing probably won't occur, if their site is legit, and the worst they will get is the sandbox. If they are a Spam, malware, virus site then obviously, even without your software, they will get deindexed.

What do I think?

I think that it's a bunch of jargon to protect yourself, e.g. if some n00bs come here with a brand new site that are on page 2 of google looking to get to the first page then find themselves with a 150 keyword ranking (which is needed)

I also think that if the program operates as you say it does, there should be no reason why a legit site can use it (while it would be frowned upon, but um... who do you have to impress?) with discretion.

Which really just gets back to my first question of why would you say a legit site shouldn't use it, because that makes me wonder about the quality of sites that the software can pick up and if it is even worth the $79 a month to begin with. If it scrapes the usual pligg crap, dead blogs, and spammed forums... well.. why even bother with it? I understand it will pick those up as well, but with you saying that legit sites SHOULDNT use it, that makes me think that all of the sites backlinked from are crap or malicious in some way.

Sme good points you are making here and it seems like a big marketing machine.

so basicly the offer for 3000 links $79 is paying for an attempt to make 4000 backlinks in some questionable places.
There is no data about how many links will really stick and always the stories they have no control over it.

The story that they place links in backlinks to the top 100 domains of your keyworkd seem to be false somehow.

This seems like an xrumer serivce where they build a shell around so people can login themselfs and blast away.

As there are some many contradictions in the statements I will stay away.

 

[monsterclicks]

@sk1ll -

1) Shady = Site opens To Exploits (nothing more) . . .

2) Google bowling does work . . . just no point in arguing and the reason I choose an old article to post was to show that the practice is an "aged" dark art . . .

3) I think you got it . . . I am protecting myself, and I have stated it categorically numerous times that somewhere down the line . . . there will be 1 n00b who buys 25,000 links and decided to toss all of those links (using 1 anchor text) to 1 brand new domains.

With that said, my experience tells me that he will be sandboxed and thus will come blame me.
If you know what you're doing, then you could use MonsterClicks to promote your main money site.
Again, from my experience I would not do so unless massive back linking was my strategy to a aged domains . . . again, just my strategy drawn from my experience. Yours could very well lead you down a different path.

@gimmedat - We are working on expanding the stats page as we speak.

@platinvm - We did have reservations but as I also stated above, we are listening to our users and reacting accordingly.

@gimmedat - I agree that we need to show stats, again I cite the above replies . . . However there are other software's that don't provide direct reports such as BMD and many other automated backlink building software's.

@bbob1970 - The points are valid and have been addressed accordingly. Sorry you won't be joining.

 

[bambi]

What kind of posts are made? Are they scraped from Yahoo Answers or something like that?

Thanks.

 

[kaene]

i haven't understood something yet, the first plan, newbie, is 3000 links/month, but what does this exactly mean? 3000 tries? does the system check the links? (i mean, just after submit, i'm not talking about 1 day later to see whether it stick) and does the system check anything about ********/nofollow?

if the 3000 are tries, from the experience of those months running the system privately, what is the % of success?

thanks

 

[n8800]

Personally this service seems great, but seeing where the links are will assure the user it is actually doing what it should which will in return generate more sales for you.

Bmd might not show it and what not but this is a online site and if you really did spend as much as you have mentioned into developing it im sure it wont take too much money to add in the feature of viewing the submitted links..

I'm a user and i'm speaking from that point of view and this is my 2 cents. But like i said service seems great but with detailed stats it would be even better. For the user and the owner.

 

[e121fx]

MonsterClicks: Dude!?! LMFAO!!
I've read thru htis thread and all I can say is.. "I Freakin Hear Ya!!!"
If they don't know how to spread the burn, they'll bake themselves everytime.
Bringing juice to the properties that support the feeder sites & or moenysites
is what this is for. Spread the hits across multiple urls. Freakin HAVE multiple urls before you even consider this service. I have 120 properties supporting one site alone. And this looks real good right now for an upcoming event.

Like I said MonsterClicks? I hear ya.. don't let the uninitiated get to ya,
if you need to respond, respond with "Read The Thread [enter any excramentable here] " Stay Frosty.

 

[monsterclicks]

@bambi - We use a variety of methods - its not just 1 method for making post to either blogs or guest books.

@kaene - The system is designed to offer "links" not "tries" . . . We are working on a modified link verifier that should be implimented this weekend, however chances are we will always over deliver just to appease those who dont understand why links drop.

@n8800 - Thanks mate . . . we think so too! . . . Do you like the stats upgrades we are doing now? . . . We are inches away from showing the verified links to the user and that IS WHERE WE ARE HEADED WITH THIS!

@e121fx - <<<<<< FTW - THANK YOU ! ! ! ! !


***SPECIAL NOTE ****

Monster Backlinks​

Go check out the home page to see a window into the activity of the system. . .

 

[barcodeunit]

this seems like a good service... however, many of you are coming to too many frickin' conclusions without even trying the service.

just wait for a bit and see what the reviews are... I know i am, because i want to see the results and i am seriously considering purchasing a package.

but the bottom line is.. IF if you have a new domain, it's wise not to use this to directly link to your money site.. build a linkwheel or something and link it to the 2.0 properties.... it's that simple. and if you have an old domain, then you have a decision to make. most likely you will not get sandboxed, but that chance will always be there...

 

[bbob1970]

If you read the thread there are to many contradictions.

Now monsterclick writes:

@kaene - The system is designed to offer "links" not "tries" . . . We are working on a modified link verifier that should be implimented this weekend, however chances are we will always over deliver just to appease those who dont understand why links drop.

Before he did write it were tries and for the 3000 packages there were doing 4000 tries.

Now some link verifyier will be implemented, I though this was a service that has been running for month's but seems like it's still a beta with limited functions.

this seems like a good service... however, many of you are coming to too many frickin' conclusions without even trying the service.

You have a point but come on, there are some many contradictions in the statements here that it does make you wonder. Also why pay at least $79 for something which has no proof it works. Would you just pay me x $ if I post a nice story about whatever service.

You should aks yourself why there is no option say $15 for 1000 links 14 days to try the service ? $15 is not that much and if it does work my guess is he will have many happy customers.

 

[bagging]

OMG!

Loads of bullshit in this thread about the service.

If you don't have 79$ to spend on some software that must have been VERY expensive to develop when you are not an IM in my eyes. STOP WHINE and don't buy it! You are messing up this thread!

IMO - This service is AWESOME! I can't even with my outsource team in India get backlinks this cheap. Even if only 10% stick..

Come on guys! It's pretty easy to figure out this one. If you cant make money with a service like this it is not for you.. Then go back to your old methods and spend you time that way.

Monsteclick --> IMO you have developed a service that is perfect for my business! 100% automated is the way to go.

 

[monsterclicks]

@barcodeunit - Thanks Mate! + Rep

@bbob1970 - Ok . . . . . zzzzzz ($15 . . . your kidding right?)

@bagging - Thanks Bud! + Rep

 

[sk1ll]

I think these lasts few posts weren't warranting the service any more merit, you guys didn't actually say anything of value.

The argument here isn't the price of the service, it's the quality and information that, as the user, we're being told and what we can expect. Before buying a product I like to know what that product is that I am buying, makes sense, right?

Firstly, without the argument I wouldn't have been able to know that the URL the link is posted on isn't given to me, which is a huge problem for me and anyone that is doing multiple link building services.

Secondly, there is still no clarity on the pages that are scraped to link on. My first impression is that the software scrapes the top 100 urls for a keyword, then goes to Yahoo! site explorer and finds urls to place a link on from the top 100 urls that had backlinks on these specific pages anyway. Then I received the impression that these are just the regular Xrumer type backlinks, then that the websites might not be from Yahoo! site explorer at all. This goes back to knowing what you are buying.

Third, it's important to know how knolwedgeable the op is when promoting a product that does a specific task, which I assume he knows a lot about, but there were several assumptions made about SEO and the service that I think were too narrow; limiting the people that actually know about SEO because we have to make judgement calls on these services (e.g. saying not to use it on a money site, why? Because that tells me something specifically about your service)

Why would he be kidding about a $15 trial service for 1000 links? That is a rate around the market price.

If I wanted the plain old Xrumer links, why pay $80 a month when I can get more of those for less?

The point is, without the 'kiddies' interrupting and not adding value, is that we are looking for specific answers to important questions that will sway our decision from buying a quality service, to not buying a poor one. While all the n00bs might think that any service is great, just because you're building links, doens't mean that it's adding the value your paying for.

Lastly, and this is important, your home page which displays dropping links (which btw, can easily be replicated without actually being true, there is no way for us to tell that those are actual links being placed on actual pages) display a lot more than PR0.. mostly PR2-PR4 and that's not typically the results you would see from an Xrumer type link building campaign. So, its sort of contradictory to whats been said and I think there needs some clarity.

 

[monsterclicks]

@sk1ll - But sk1ll, the problem is that you keep asking repetitive questions (which I answer). . . .

For instance:

1st - I have said at least 4 times in this thread that the links are going to be shown (its being coded as we speak), but you insit to keep asking it . . . . to make your self appear smart?

2nd - The type of links . . . its been said dozens of times (read the thread again).

3rd - Knowledge of the OP . . . . ? Can you produce a system like this, the proof is whats in your hands not what you say on some post.

$15 - is not the going rate for 1,000 links (if it is, can you please link me to that thread)?

$80 for Xrumer service? . . . again please read the thread, but your benefit (since your obviously lazy) - our service is 1 - 2 - 3 click go . . . you don't pay for proxies . . . you don't pay for servers . . . with Xrumer you do . . . Is there anything about this that you don't understand?

Lastly, just don't buy it mate . . . you obviously don't get it.

** Now For Fun ***

I went and looked at your previous threads . . . (And Now Quoting You)

"Where to spend $1k on advertising? . . "

"Are CL posts only used for CPA campaigns? Or can they be used to drive traffic to a website to try and gain an audience?"

"A little help please?"

"I've been around in web development... for a long while. . . . Looking forward to deciphering all the great info on here."

***MY ASSESSMENT***

You are one of the guys who buys a cowboy hat and goes to a rodeo and then thinks your a real life cowboy.

You are the exact kind of guys I am talking about by saying just because you sign up a BHW, doesn't make you a master at black hat.

Your not black hat mate . . . and the truth is, you really don't know . . do you?

Do you even make money online?

** For The Record **

I hate this kind of thing in forums . . . those who know me and work with me know that my support is unparalleled and that I am always helping to pull people up and not push them down.

I am always on chat and willing to help ANY of you go the extra mile . . .

I just don't like D*Bags . . . who are posers and who truly don't appreciate whats going on.

Peace Out Sk1ll . . .

 

[bbob1970]

Monsterclick my $15 is just to make a point and the point is very simple but you don't seem to get it. Others have made the same point also.

Offer something like $10-20 dollar to test out the service and if 1000 links is to much, who cares make it 500 links or 400. I just gave an example but you seemed to have missed the point that some might want to test the service for a low price. Testing it that's the point.



@bagging, it's not about $79 which is per month and not to buy the software or were you under the impression that you would get this for $79 and that's it.
The point is there is no reference for this servce, there are many contraditions in the statements and yes even spending $79 on something which has not proven it works (onlythe seller tells us) is still giving someone you don't know $79 which is still money. But maybe if it's not to much for you, I can give you my paypal and you just sent me $79.

 

[bagging]

The Point is that you are allways looking for some sort of proof that this will make you money and in the end it's up to the users skills.

Mate it's like buying a new kind of soda, you don't know how it tastes before you go buy it. You can do some research, talk with your friends, but you are an unique human and maybe this taste is the best you ever had you don't know before you try it.

And at last. THINK!!!!!!!!! Do you really think monsterclick would start at thread (and pay for it), use his energy on answering questions, have a subscription service ETC. ETC. Well knowing that his product suck and people would stop paying for it after a month or 2. It doesn't make any sens.

IF and only IF his product sucks, well then you both loose.

@bbob1970 - I was not trying to look "Rich" by saying that 79$ was like a grab in the pocket if that is what you are trying to point out. I was trying to explain something to you. No matter what business you run you would find youself in such situations like this. Should we buy this service or that service. And many times you would end up throwing your money down the toilet cause the service looked good but really sucked. So i understand why you are trying so hard figuring out if you should buy it - properly because you have flushed down some green in the past, but after years and years of trying you know excatly what services to use, what partners are good for you ETC.

If you wanna make money you got to spend money. In general i dont trust anything a sellers claims, i hope it's true!

And at last! It's backlinks on autopilot! How can this not be awesome?

Sorry for off topic, but this pisses me off.

 

[monsterclicks]

@bbob1970 - Fair enough, but my answer is still no . . . I am not letting you or anyone else in for $15.

@bagging - <<<<<<<<< For the record, I don't know this guy and we are friends (yet), but thanks again mate for stepping in on this thread!

We did launch this product in 0.5 version so that we could gain the experience of having real user feedback on how we can make the system better.

With that said - WE DO VALUE your feedback (both positive and negative) . . . I am never offended by asking tough questions and putting the system to the test. If there is any loopholes to the system, we will plug them and help make Monster Clicks Backlinks Builder even more awesome than it already is.

 

[sk1ll]

Wow, you took legitimate questions and I'm assuming because you didn't have good enough answers you retreated to try and be insulting to make your service not withstand any kind of negative impacts.

I think that you may the one with the problem reading and speaking, because for;

1 - Never have I taken a stance on the service, positive or negative

2 - Never did I say insult your intelligence. I merely pointed to the fact that you are quoting out dated techniques and assessed that you are more of a programmer rather than an SEO

3 - I defended many of your responses, considering that you and any op providing such a service needs to do just that, for people that will abuse themselves with any service.

4 - I asked some similar questions at more than 1 time because my questions simply weren't answered.

5 - I never claimed that I am a black hat - In fact I do the opposite and am mostly white hat.

6 - I think its utterly immature for you to have to dig up posts that anyone can, but for your own entertainment and the potential customers I will play your game;
- I do not do CL - you'll find plenty of profitable money making SEOs that don't use CL as a form of marketing; I merely asked if some on BHW do.
- I don't BH - asking where a BH forum would spend 1k in advertising is called gaining experience.
- Not sure why you quoted that I am looking to decipher info on BHW - anyone on a forum should look to do the same.
- If you pull up the BST thread you'll see plenty of threads where you can buy links much cheaper than yours. Need an example bc YOU are too lazy?

Edit: Can't post the thread link, although the op requested one, it's against the forum rules.

Guaranteed 5,000 links at least for $39.99 which equals $8 for 1k links, or .008 a link. Compare that to your 0.026 a link.....

Apparently you aren't a black hat either, considering you're selling a service that is arguably grey hat.

"knowledge of the op" was a general trait of approaching any service, you obviously took it offensively which must be because you are questioning your own knowledge. Again, I merely made the observation that you appear more of a programmer than SEO.

Type of links have been said plenty of times. So what's the problem? You say one thing than another, asking for clarification would only be moving towards actually knowing what your service is, something you should already do when opening a thread.

"80 for xrumer service..." After several threads this is what YOU boiled your system down to, not me, and I tried again and again to seek what it was really achieving. If it is ONLY an xrumer service than your system doesnt provide SHIT for benefit. Screw 1.2.3. click go for $80. Guess what? There are PLENTY of threads that offer Xrumer service for HALF the price and you know what ?? I don't even have to the 1.2.3. part! I can just send my link/anchor pay half the price and GO.

***My Assessment***

do your own homework and see who is actually worth value to you. "Flaming" potential customers with valid questions doesn't help your thread, it only makes you look less reputable to potential customers.

"peace out sk1ll" <--- That just makes you look like a tool.

"Proof is whats in your hands, not in your post" You should listen to your own words. Your front page has a script saying that a link was posted and a PR.. but what good does that do? A kid can write that script that fool people links are posted. No proof there, so I guess we shouldn't believe what comes out of your posts then.

Verdict? Think before you post m8, not doing so just hurts you more.

Now, if you actually want to talk and contribute something of value, then please either keep posting things that can help, or send me a PM and we'll get on AIM to talk outside BHW. Contrary to what you think or wanted to portray, I'm sure I know much more about IM than most and can contribute a lot of worthy bipartisan information.

 

[bbob1970]

Mate it's like buying a new kind of soda, you don't know how it tastes before you go buy it. You can do some research, talk with your friends, but you are an unique human and maybe this taste is the best you ever had you don't know before you try it.
And at last! It's backlinks on autopilot! How can this not be awesome?

Sorry for off topic, but this pisses me off.

Nice example you give for the sode. Like many of the new products small free samples are provided to potential new customers. This is normal in the food industry. Walk down your local supermarket and you will see presentatations of new or even existing products where you can have a small sample or taste it.

Same for other products, the have been reviewed by magazines and testers before the products is launched. So if you want to compare with the real world you did not make your point.

Backlinks on autopilot, yes maybe but the question is really is it true or not ad again there are many contradictions in the statements of monsterclick.

We did launch this product in 0.5 version so that we could gain the experience of having real user feedback on how we can make the system better

Sorry but this is not getting better, your first statement were the system has been tested for several month and what you are now writting looks like the product is still in beta and you need paying customers to find out how to improve the system. Looks like you did not do your homework.

It's not about letting in someone for $15 it's about gaining trust and you can do that by offering a very small package to taste the product.
Since you seem to have automated the system and there are 3 packages I would not see a problem creating a demo/sample/tast or other name samll package.

Since you are unwilling to do that and your systems has not proven itselfs and the many contradictions in your statements and the serivce looking still under development it just doesn't look good to buy this service.

You could be a scammer and we could all find out after 3 month's that links in the amount you promissed are not showing up as you sold them. It's easy to trick people for 2-3 month as the standard statement will be it can take some time before the links show up and some links might be delted bla bla bla.

On the other side you will always find customers that want links links links and 3000 links for $79 is not much and they don't want to wait untill the system has proven itself. This is typical for a scam. I am not saying you are a scam but all you have sold is words and the fact that you are not letting people taste the service for a small amount does make me wonder if you can really deliver what you sell.

 

[monsterclicks]

@Sk1ll - Sure mate . . . I hear you, but by your admission you are not black hat so you lack the experience needed to comment effectively on the nuances of a black hat system.
The link you posted on this thread and the mod's rightfully removed was a Xrumer service.
So - 1 last time I will try to explain why this service is different from Xrumer.

1) We do not post to forums, there is only 1 point at which the 2 systems can compare and that's in general based on each ability to provide links in an automated fashion.

2) With Xrumer there is a ULTRA sharp technical curve which many new users find difficult to adapt to.

3) There is no need for you to buy proxy's or dedicated servers with our service since its fully managed.

4) ANY Xrumer service being sold for the price you posted is a college kid with no dedicated servers and he "estimated" the total number of back links you would get from the blast.

5) Xrumer only targets Forums . . . we do not target forums.

So in general if you decided to compare Xrumer to Monster Clicks, you really are comparing apples and oranges and insisting on doing so because they are both fruit.

I look forward to out online cup of coffee and you or anyone else on BHW is more than welcome to contact me via IM for any 1 on 1 questions / answers. (PM sent - lets chat on AIM)

BTW - thanks for the compliment about being more of a programmer than SEO . . . it really couldn't be further from the truth . . . but it did make me feel special.

@bbob1970 - It is a great example if I was selling food items loaded with trace amounts of cocaine and wanted to get you addicted (ie . . Coke), unfortunately this is not a super market and it's a judgment and this is not soda.

In my personal experience if you can't afford to ride, then you should not be allowed on the train. Again some might disagree, but this is my personal call and nothing more.

The statement is not conflicting . . . for the record:

The system has been running for months with raw scraps & SQL commands.

The Beta 0.5 that I speak of is the User U.I. that was only recently developed. This was also stated in the preceding post.

We could be scammers? . . . Perhaps, but consider the following 2 points:

If I was a scammer I would not be launching this under "MonsterClicks.com" where there is other product like my WP cloaker which gets great reviews.

And the fact that a few years ago we spent $15,000 just acquiring the domain name.
So for this to be a s bit scam would be utterly insane.

Again, if you want to "taste" then pay $79 . . . we already have clients with custom packages hitting $799+ because they understand the value.

I apologize to everyone who thinks I should let the $15 guys in, but the truth is I just don't have the time.

 

[sk1ll]

Sure thing, let's continue on AIM. Contrary to what people may think, I am out just to get the info straight, not to 'flame' or put down Monster's service, I haven't bought the service so I can't comment on its performance. Just trying to get the facts.