Permanently Closed Marketplace Sales Thread

[nam6641]

Not trying to be an ass, but XRumer is something like a $500 flat fee and you can run unlimited backlinks forever. You're software is $299 for 1 month and it will only run 25,000 backlinks/month.

If I was going to buy one verses the other, sell me on why I would buy yours at that price point? In the end your software will cost significantly more money and give significantly less backlinks so what benefits am getting for all that extra money?

 

[platinvm]

It doesn't give you a report of all the backlinks it only tells you how many links it has attempted to make but not where, which is a big let down and it is the deal breaker for me.

 

[sk1ll]

It doesn't give you a report of all the backlinks it only tells you how many links it has attempted to make but not where, which is a big let down and it is the deal breaker for me.

Ugh.. seriously? Damnit.. I need to know where. For one, to guarantee that I am getting backlinks.. and two because, for almost all of us, we run multiple SEO campaigns and we need to know which is performing well, ect..

 

[bbob1970]

some valid point are made, does the serivce not give a list where is has attemted to make a backlink ?

This makes the question what are you paying for even more relevant. Am I paying for 3000 attemps to create a backlink for $79 a month. As according to someone here the software doesn't even show where how can this be checked. So in the end we are paying $79 for 3000 attemps per month not knowing where and how many really stick.

I am really looking forward to get some hard answers and facts about this service.

 

[CoolAsh]

Looking forward to a review from anyone who has used this...

 

[monsterclicks]

@liberpax - This is not a $10 toy for kids to drive and play . . . . I don't want to sound like a jerkwad, but $79 is super low cost for that this thing is doing. We cover proxies, servers, $50,000 in development.

@bbob1970 - I am not posting my keywords / domains on the boards, if you want it just PM me and I will gladly provide it there. Obvioulsy your links can be removed - we have no control over that which is why we over clock the system by 133%, and we just cant offer a gurantee for links that stick just like no black hat service can offer such a gurantee.

The question about why I have 185 backlinks is NOT a valid point and just shows a lack of understanding from the individual who made it here on the boards and decided to be smart and email me.

You would be foolish in my opinion to use this for a aged money site, its meant to be used for linking to doorway pages, articles, youtube videos, web 2.0 properties, etc. At some point I will probably stop saying that since people dont like to read the thread.

I paid 5 figures for the domain MonsterClicks.com a couple years back, there is no way I am using this software on a domain of its caliber . . .

@csaba - yes you can use it for any site.

@digitalcrew - fair enough.

@n8800 - Idle . . what do you mean? Links are flying out the doors fast.

@nam6641 - Xrumer focuses on Forums and requires a high level of technical understanding, Our service is inhouse - your not paying for servers / proxies / etc. (so its really not apples to apples to compare pricing) Each has their place and I own and love Xrumer.

Our service is a set and forget service. . . .

@platinvm - This is a new system, and the stats section is currently under-going a vast re-vampaing to include everything we can possibly toss at you. (the links are in the DB, we just have not skinned it to show yet).

@sk1ll - That information is coming, we just have to skin the admin.

@bbob1970 - just to clarify again . . we are overclocking the system at 133% based on post and natual link attrician. Once the stats page is skinned properly we will be posting the guestbook / blog comments / etc. links for each individual to see. Your pay $79 / month for links and I respect that hence we will provide a system that meets the needs of the clients.

@CoolAsh - There are a few reviews.

 

[monsterclicks]

**Special NOTE***

Links are being kept inside the database and nothing is being lost in terms of data.

The stats page is currently being re-built as is the check out (which those of you who signed up in the last 48 hours - knows that is was broken).

Like I said before this system has been running for months we decided to release it to the public.

This is a version 1 system and will grow in complexity and swagger.

We are committed to developing this based on everyones feedback - hence we don't want sugar coated feedback, because each of your voices are being heard.

Keep the honesty coming!

 

[bobbylove321]

I've decided to try the $79/month for a brand new site on a blogger platform. There's medium competition for majority of my keywords, but I'll give an update in a few weeks when I see links being added, etc. So far it's been an easy setup process, so I like that about it.

 

[sk1ll]

You would be foolish in my opinion to use this for a aged money site, its meant to be used for linking to doorway pages, articles, youtube videos, web 2.0 properties, etc. At some point I will probably stop saying that since people dont like to read the thread.

This concerns me. I have been in IM for quite a while and this has certain connotations. For example, an established well off website can endure thousands and thousands of links per month coming at them, without any negative affect on its SERPs, especially since it is aged. If it was that easy to be penalized, I would just backlink the hell out of my competition and sit on the 1st page. Link building is only a concern for new sites, unless;

The system is making backlinks to shady/spam sites in which case it could penalize a site, slightly, but still again this falls into the fact that I would go to spam sites and spread their link across the 'bad' sites and get them penalized. In theory, and this is widely thought to be, you aren't penalized for sites linking to you, because you do not have control of it as the site owner. But you will be penalized for linking to 'bad' sites.

So, why the comment about not using the link service for your money making site and just doorway pages?

 

[bambi]

I would like to know the answer to this question too. I would rather not give the link juice to Blogger, Wordpress, or other 2.0 sites. Why is it recommended to point the links to doorway pages and/or these other sites with links to our own? I understand the Linkwheel concept but I would rather give my own site the inbound links. Under which circumstances would this be a bad idea?

Thank you.

 

[bobbylove321]

bambi,

If your site starts getting 3,000 + links a month there's a chance of it getting banned from Google. They smell "cheating".

 

[sk1ll]

^^^ That's not true, for the most part. Firstly, no site is going to be deindexed from Google on the basis of backlinks alone, otherwise, as mentioned, everyone would do that to their competitors. Websites get penalized when they link to 'bad' sites.

The only side effect to gathering an immense amount of links a month is being sandboxed, for new sites.

Google does penalize sites, but not for backlinks (usually, I do not work at G so I cannot claim 100%).. just think about it though, it is out of your own control who/how many backlinks you get (what if your site goes viral..)

PLUS .. 3k backlinks a month is not a whole lot, if your site is established and active.

 

[character]

can you control how many backlinks you will receive a day? or does it just go out and post the 10k backlinks overnight?

 

[bobbylove321]

sk1ll,
What I'm saying to bambi is that I would not "risk" it if you don't want to get banned. Let's face it, when people get banned they come and blame the seller. So it's a warning.

Character,
Yes you can control the amount of backlinks in a day (I'm already set up in the system, and have set up my amount of links)

 

[bbob1970]

Comment above here funny you all seem to have the impression that you will receive 3000 backlinks a month but read carefull, you will receive attemps to create backlinks an d nu guanrteen they will stick.


Monsterclick

So based on the answer you are giving you can't guarantee the amount of links that will stick.

so basicly what you are offering is making 3000 links +33% is 4000 links and we can only hope that 3000 will stick and there is no guarantee that they will stick.

Links that don't stick are worthless.

If I look at xrumer, succesrate claims are 3-5% but in my opinion it's even a lot less.

so based on your 133% rul making 4000 links 3000 should stick so that is a succesrate of 75%.

75% seems very high even if there are lots of blog that are moderated and could remove the posting. So I really doubt that you will be able to achive a that high succesrate.

You write 3000 backlinks $79 a month but i reality you can't give any guarantee that there will be 3000 backlinks. For what I know it can only be 300 backlinks.

The only thing you are selling it 3000 (4000) attemps to create backlinks. Paying $79 for that seems very high when you can't even tell the succesrate if the links will stick or not.

You might want to change your marketing sayinbg 4000 attemps to create backlinks costs you $79 per month.

Looking at your current marketing might give the wrong impression and your answer is
:

and we just cant offer a gurantee for links that stick just like no black hat service can offer such a gurantee.

So be clear and write this on the first page of your offer.

sk1ll raised a good question why would you be in trouble using your software on a good domain, you have to come up with a good story.

You marketing says we are sanning the first 100 domains on your keyworkd, analyse backlinks from those domains and create backlinks on those backlinks that we found. If I read this why should creating backlinks on pages that those top 100 domains are receiving backlinks from create any problems for you.

As said an aged domain maybe pr3 should be able to handle many backlinks per month.

 

[monsterclicks]

@bobbylove321 - Thanks for the order, I am sure you will be satisfied.

@sk1ll - of course the system is making post in shady places. After all its only shady places who leave themselves wide open for these kinds of exploits. Again, its a bit like using Xrumer, think about it . . . does Xrumer work by making post here on BHW or any other reputable forum? The answer is no, and the reason is because its being monitored from such attacks. And we know that Google knows about it. At the end of the day I am putting caution out there because someone down the line is going to use this service and they will have more bling than zing . . . then buy the biggest package and toss all their links using 1 anchor text to 1 domain. Of course I be blamed for them getting sand boxed.

@bambi - Again I cite the answer above . . . you just have to use this in a strategic fashion (remember - you don't hunt bear with a bazooka).

@bobbylove321 - Dead on!

@sk1ll - I beg to differ . . . I can de-index a new domain using crap links and fake doorway pages it's not even funny . . . Its an OLD black hat technique called "Google Bowling" and its been around for years. And those of us who have also been in the biz for years have used this tactics to gain position against our competition. Now you are right that 3k backlinks is not a huge number, but again I cite that someone will abuse this and then blame me for not warning them. I have worked in the IM industry and SEO for 8 yaers, so the answers i am giving are not best guesses . . . I am giving up what I know to be true and if there is any solid evidence to say otherwise, i will gladly admit I was wrong . . . but go do a search on "Google Bowling" and I am sure you will get some good ideas.

So that brings me to my next point . . can you use MonsterClicks as a weapon against your competitors?

YES - make fake doorway pages - spam them with backlinks - put up your competitors info and then report them. (vicious I know - but truth is the real black hatters are doing it). For the record, I don't use this tactic, but I do know guys that do.

http://www.webpronews.com/expertart...n-sabotage-you-what-google-should-do-about-it

Notice the articles date 2005 <<<< . . . .

Remember, just because you registered at BHW doesn't make you a black hat SEM . . . its kind of like buying a cowboy hat and getting a ticket to a rodeo . . . if you want to get on the horse and ride . . . the Pony's name is MosnterClicks.

@character - Yes, you have control over / day / URL. So its easily managed.

@bobbylove321 - << For the record, I am not asking him to say this and I don't know this guy . . . furthermore we are not friends (yet) but obviously he gets it and why I am telling people to be cautious.

@bbob1970 - You are correct, but there are several other factors . . . #1 - We only draw comparison with Xrumer because they are also a leading black hat backlink builder. #2 - We are different because MonsterClicks is easy to use (Xrumer is not) . . . #3 - With Xrumer you pay for servers / proxies / etc. (With Monster You do not - we pay for all that as a part of the service) . . . #4 - Our links can stick / not stick because they are blog comments, guest book entries, etc. Just like with Xrumer a web master can stop paying for hosting and his forum that Xrumer has been rapping for the past 1 year goes down as well. There is NO reputable link building group can guarantee that 100% of the links will stick . . . Thus we make every attempt to ensure you are obtaining at the level of above in terms of link count.

Now to the question about 100 domains * 1000 reverse queries . . . (think about it - that gives sys 100,000 domains) for every single keyword users enter in to our system. . . So if you enter in 10 keywords - we just scrapped 1,000,000 domains.
Next after we scrape for things like /wp-admin/ , guestbook.php, etc. we come up with THOUSANDS of duplicate places to post (no matter what the keyword is) . . . You are assuming that these are some kind of High PR blog comments and they are not that at all.

At the end of the day you can ask a wrong question, if you don't get it then of course asking questions like "how Come Monster Clicks only has 185 backlinks" will sound ULTRA smart . . . but alas it's the wrong question to ask.

 

[sk1ll]

For starters, the fact that you are sighting Google Bowling is unsettling to say the least and the fact that you specifically stated 'new domain' when the point had been behind people's established money making sites.

Now I have to dig a little more deeply (mind you all of this would be unnecessary if you gave a free trial period for people).

1 - Why are you claiming that the software only leaves links in 'shady' places? You say it operates as if it scraped the top 100 urls, then its backlinks through Yahoo! Site explorer. Surely there will be non-shady communities where the software drops a link, if this is how it operates. Is it only targeting a certain CMS, blog, ect? Also, just because a place links to you does not mean that it will harm you.

2 - Google Bowling won't work nowadays. As I said before, it's unsettling for you to cite a 5 year old illegal tactic and claim that it is a risk today. You even posted a link to a 5 year old article, which makes me think that you aren't actually in the business of SEO (which I am and have been for many years) but in the business of writing software (which is ok) I don't really think I need to go further into that.

3 - You specifically mentioned 'new domain' which is key, because these are the sites likely to be penalized by using the software, if they overdue it. As far as penalization, de-indexing probably won't occur, if their site is legit, and the worst they will get is the sandbox. If they are a Spam, malware, virus site then obviously, even without your software, they will get deindexed.

What do I think?

I think that it's a bunch of jargon to protect yourself, e.g. if some n00bs come here with a brand new site that are on page 2 of google looking to get to the first page then find themselves with a 150 keyword ranking (which is needed)

I also think that if the program operates as you say it does, there should be no reason why a legit site can use it (while it would be frowned upon, but um... who do you have to impress?) with discretion.

Which really just gets back to my first question of why would you say a legit site shouldn't use it, because that makes me wonder about the quality of sites that the software can pick up and if it is even worth the $79 a month to begin with. If it scrapes the usual pligg crap, dead blogs, and spammed forums... well.. why even bother with it? I understand it will pick those up as well, but with you saying that legit sites SHOULDNT use it, that makes me think that all of the sites backlinked from are crap or malicious in some way.

 

[gimmedat]

When are we going to be able to see the sites the software posts too?

I would think for all that MonsterClicks does already, it shouldn't be too hard to pull the url's from db and display them in the stats section?

 

[platinvm]

When are we going to be able to see the sites the software posts too?

I would think for all that MonsterClicks does already, it shouldn't be too hard to pull the url's from db and display them in the stats section?

He said he doesn't want to show the links because he is scared Google might make an account and see them

 

[gimmedat]

He said he doesn't want to show the links because he is scared Google might make an account and see them

Well, that officially makes MonsterClicks the ONLY backlink service that doesn't give you the url of the backlinks they provide. Seems like a load of BS.