PBNs are the ONLY effective link method left.

Nargil said:

The problem with the PBNs is, that people are not aware of the situation how hard is it to find some decent domains. Everybody and their mother want niche relevant domains these days and there are some niches that are simply impossible. I encounter this every day:

- I want TF20+ beauty/health with RD20+, brandable, etc, bla bla.
- You won't find a domain like that ever.
- But I have already found 5!

And when you check, those domains are spammed to 7th hell.

So in regards to the latest "Google update" and all that crap... It's simply amazing how can people be super paraonid about Google crap. Ehmagerd, there was an update! Now I need everything to be super niche relevant, because one guy on the forum said that (Or my favorite "I read somewhere") they are resetting the links now aaa aaaa panic! So instead of caring about the first and foremost thing, getting clean domains only, people rather register spammed shit within niche. And there are services, some really high profile ones, even on this forum, that barely do any background check on the domains at all, check only archive.org and sell half broken shit, which will get kicked in the ass by Google down the road.

Have you seen the prices on auctions lately? RD100 domains going for $400 no problem? Some RD200 going for $800 etc. If you want a domain from auctions for a normal price and half decent strengh, you should take a mortgage. If you want to scrape a clean domain with decent metrics, you should buy at least 5 scrapers, 6 majestics and have fingers crossed to find at least something.

But no, people go for super fistfucking narrow niche relevancy, rather than clean domains with decent metrics. Why? Beyond me. "I am in a software coding java niche". Uhm, right, because regular "computers" aren't enough. "I want hair extensions niche", sure, because "shopping" is not enough. "I want parenting 20RD+ 15TF+ DA10+, never redirected in the past, brandable bla bla" - Fuck off - You have no idea how often I want to say this to a client, but I can't

In a year or two, the prices will be 2 - 3 times higher than what they are today. PBN will become a game for the wealthy and poor will be happy with whatever RD10+ domain they will be able to get their hands on. Of course, 90% of users here will gladly start registering shit without even checking the history and then, just like a week or two back, starting threads that there was an update and PBNs are dead. Yeh, maybe if you wouldn't register spammy domains, your PBNs would be perfectly fine.

I hope that some of you can see what I am trying to say in this rant.

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Nargil said:

Because there are different categories of mentally impaired. Some require longer posts and some shorter to understand. Sucks.

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Nargil said:

But no, people go for super fistfucking narrow niche relevancy, rather than clean domains with decent metrics. Why? Beyond me. "I am in a software coding java niche". Uhm, right, because regular "computers" aren't enough. "I want hair extensions niche", sure, because "shopping" is not enough. "I want parenting 20RD+ 15TF+ DA10+, never redirected in the past, brandable bla bla" - Fuck off - You have no idea how often I want to say this to a client, but I can't

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casperl said:

I don't know how many people look domains for this niche but if this is me I never thought that "computers" aren't enough.

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Nargil said:

I wasn't talking about you. Don't even remember what niche you were after. Why is everyone so touchy?

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Nargil said:

The problem with the PBNs is, that people are not aware of the situation how hard is it to find some decent domains. Everybody and their mother want niche relevant domains these days and there are some niches that are simply impossible. I encounter this every day:

- I want TF20+ beauty/health with RD20+, brandable, etc, bla bla.
- You won't find a domain like that ever.
- But I have already found 5!

And when you check, those domains are spammed to 7th hell.

So in regards to the latest "Google update" and all that crap... It's simply amazing how can people be super paraonid about Google crap. Ehmagerd, there was an update! Now I need everything to be super niche relevant, because one guy on the forum said that (Or my favorite "I read somewhere") they are resetting the links now aaa aaaa panic! So instead of caring about the first and foremost thing, getting clean domains only, people rather register spammed shit within niche. And there are services, some really high profile ones, even on this forum, that barely do any background check on the domains at all, check only archive.org and sell half broken shit, which will get kicked in the ass by Google down the road.

Have you seen the prices on auctions lately? RD100 domains going for $400 no problem? Some RD200 going for $800 etc. If you want a domain from auctions for a normal price and half decent strengh, you should take a mortgage. If you want to scrape a clean domain with decent metrics, you should buy at least 5 scrapers, 6 majestics and have fingers crossed to find at least something.

But no, people go for super fistfucking narrow niche relevancy, rather than clean domains with decent metrics. Why? Beyond me. "I am in a software coding java niche". Uhm, right, because regular "computers" aren't enough. "I want hair extensions niche", sure, because "shopping" is not enough. "I want parenting 20RD+ 15TF+ DA10+, never redirected in the past, brandable bla bla" - Fuck off - You have no idea how often I want to say this to a client, but I can't

In a year or two, the prices will be 2 - 3 times higher than what they are today. PBN will become a game for the wealthy and poor will be happy with whatever RD10+ domain they will be able to get their hands on. Of course, 90% of users here will gladly start registering shit without even checking the history and then, just like a week or two back, starting threads that there was an update and PBNs are dead. Yeh, maybe if you wouldn't register spammy domains, your PBNs would be perfectly fine.

I hope that some of you can see what I am trying to say in this rant.

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goblinsystems said:

I'm not calling you out or anything, so please don't take this the wrong way. It's just for my own curiosity. I'm a total newbie, so I could be naive.

How long did you try outreach for, how many different ways did you try approaching bloggers (email, social media, etc...), how many different types of content (infographics etc..), before you decided that it was not worth your time and effort?

Don't get me wrong, I'm building PBNs out at the same time... but I read a bunch of @t0mmy 's posts about infographics, I signed up for Piktochart and spent a few hours putting something together based on facts from another, older page I found online.

I contacted 10 bloggers (I plan on contacting 100 just in one random niche) with a very soft approach 'mind if I send this over? I thought you might get a kick out of it', and already 3 have responded. Out of those 1 has already told me to go ahead and write a guest post. These are not my direct competitors, I just linked two kinda unrelated niches together in a quirky way.

So the niche relevance is kind of a stretch, but the guest post I'm writing is certainly contextual to my niche. The guy has 539 RD to that one blog. The infographic took me like 4 hours of work, it was my first time ever making one. It doesn't look pro by any means, but it's colorful and has some interesting facts on it. It's still very novel because most people spamming these guys aren't offering even that much value. The emails I'm banging out in 5 minutes or less, just skimming their site for something to comment on and offering to show them my graphic.

If I could get a 10% response rate, contacting 100 bloggers, based on maybe 8 hours of actual work (probably stretching it, I'm lazy and procrastinate a lot). And these are REAL sites with REAL traffic, with hundreds of RD. How efficient is it to build and maintain a good PBN to get links at that rate?

Maybe I'm being naive and haven't hit the real roadblocks yet. I'm def an introvert so I hate reaching out to people and facing rejection. I'm just seeing it work so easily, that I'm wondering how many people have actually gone out there and tried.

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uesat said:

For anyone who doesn't know, OP's post was bullshit. He does not rank medium competition keywords with only 15-25 PBN links. We have way too many of these shit talkers in BHW.

And guess posts and web directory links do still work as part of your link building strategy.

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freckletone said:

Strongly disagree. You should check out big authority sites like Healthambition which are huge and do outreach on a mass scale using Skyscraper technique and a tool like Gmass to outsource the process. These guys are getting 1-5 links per hour... Massive scale is not contacting 100 blogs but thousands... per week.

You should read these posts... They were written buy the guys who run HealthAmbition who do nothing but run authority sites with white hat link building and their sites are stronger with higher income than many low quality sites.

SEO is about the art of building links which is not really PBN; there is an art to obtaining white links naturally and it's not necessarily slow if you have developed and efficient process.

https://www.authorityhacker.com/pareto-outreach/

https://www.authorityhacker.com/buy-contextual-links/

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bstuffer said:

I strongly like the idea of scaling and making outreach campaign more effective and less time consuming. I will definitely read these articles, and what I've seen so far, is their authors are pretty big fans of manual outreach and stuff, they are good at it - but they seem to completely ignore and drop ALL the tactics which - wait for it - violate the google recommendations! I mean - they claim that buying a contextual link on forbes is a bad idea simply because google is against it and they can ban forbes. That doesn't seem like a strong point against it to me.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate all the types of knowledge I can get, but as for me, they are pretty narrow-minded in regard of choosing the tactics. As I see it, you need to know when to use super-white tactics, and when grey schemes are acceptable. It's just the question of goals and methods. It's not wise to completely ignore one side or another.

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fedez said:

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Ok well lets define "medium" here I mean like, anything on semrush thats keyword difficulty of 80-85... Ill be honest I got on first place started making 150 a month affiliate commision and then google penalty hit. Now Ive done that 3 times with medium keywords using 3 different PBNs however. Its definitely not easy. Especially because my PBNs are fucking good. I mean strong link juice and relevancy flowing.

Hmmm....

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fedez said:

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Ok well lets define "medium" here I mean like, anything on semrush thats keyword difficulty of 80-85... Ill be honest I got on first place started making 150 a month affiliate commision and then google penalty hit. Now Ive done that 3 times with medium keywords using 3 different PBNs however. Its definitely not easy. Especially because my PBNs are fucking good. I mean strong link juice and relevancy flowing.

Hmmm....

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freckletone said:

Ahrefs keyword difficulty is more accurate... what is the ahrefs KD? Semrush says EVERYTHING is keyword difficulty is 80-85... it says the same thing for my site for ALL my keywords whereas on ahrefs it's KD 15 for my main keyword.

What's the DA of your strongest PBN?

I'm in a "medium" KD niche... main keyword has 14,000 searches.. its a "best" kw and mainly everyone targeting it is selling Amazon. My competitor has 103 referring domains; out of those its maybe 80 PBN's... his strongest PBN that I can find any way is DA 48... many of his PBN's are in the DA 30-48 range... much stronger than what you find for sale on PBN...

He's still struggling; dropped to the second page now constantly dancing anywhere from #13-#18....

KD 15 in Ahrefs is no joke; there's no smaller Amazon affiliates on the first page... It's all authority sites (Mainly national magazines like Good Housekeeping and Allure) with DA 60-90 and referring domains in the thousands.... Majority are DA 80 and up... lol I picked the wrong niche.

If you made $150 being #1 it was a super low competitive niche... check your KD in ahrefs tho; im willing to bet its not the same as semrush.

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kasher9 said:

The goats point was definitely serious, everything else definitely sarcasm. #goatlivesmatter

.... SEO 101; so long as SEO exists, strategies such as PBN's will always be prevalent, the execution just changes (when i was in seo years back, web 2.0's on steroids was still a thing, now the same strategy probably won't do much).

I've been ranking a poker site i created in 2015, what I've noticed is that metrics such as ctr,site speed, social signals have made a bigger impact than simple link building. I had an influencer in the poker scene send out some social signals for one of my articles, i saw an immediate jump within a week. Conversely, i did some pbn posts, i mean it made some difference, but not as significantly as other strategies have done. But, without the pbn posts, i know some of the keywords wouldnt even be visible in serps so something like ctr would be useless.

I think you need an amulgamation of strategies to be successful these days, saying only pbn works is stupid, saying pbn don't work at all, is stupid. That's my 2 cents anyway but who gives a shit about the goatlover.

I end with #goatlivesmatter.

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