Outsourcing work is a Pain in Ass!

Hi guys, I been making great money with my projects and have been outsourcing 50% of my work. I find it sometimes to be more difficult then doing it manually. Finding the right VA, training them, their internet not working etc.

How many of you outsource your work and what advice would you give to someone like me or any other marketers to "outsource" their work.

you should test the outsourcer first so you no where you stand, also look at feedback

outsource is brilliant cos yu can make good money outsorcer works for $1 yet you bank $20 "knowledge is power they who dont know will never know"

webwhizz said:

you should test the outsourcer first so you no where you stand, also look at feedback

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Yup its correct that it will take much time on outsourcing but many of them can give you best than other regular servicers. 10% out of 100% people will tell you that they facing some problem but they could deliver the operation in some extra time with successful result. They definitely will be encouraged if you provide 2 or 3$ extra when you complete project as encourage payment and you will get work soon in future. Its saving your money by sending work to big servicers.

as per experience, if you don't go cheap with your VA, they tend to stick.

I ordered some sites off someone 4 weeks ago, gave specific criteria that the domains MUST BE .coms, needless to say they came back with .Org. Even when you are clear with instructions some people hear but don't listen.
Outsource can be the same, had it before where the trial service was very good, hired them for seo and the resulting work was not as good.
Used Odesk ( as was ) a couple of years back, for some seo work, the work was actually done by someone different to the person I hired and was a mess. Site fell like a stone in rankings.

What I have since found is pay a fair rate and look after the worker(s) and from time to time if yo've had a good month / quarter, give them a bonus.

I tried the outsourcing to Pakistan and India for some time ago, it's too much of work to train them and actually get them understand what they shall do. Now I'm doing it all myself.

I know it takes some time to train, but once that process is done it is really the best shit ever. Take a day or two and just help the person understand the process they will be doing. I would also say that you should test the person before doing anything. Do it on a test account/site/whatever and see how they do. Be clear with your expectations about no bullshit reasons of not working.

I had a guy writing for me previously that crashed his car 2 days in one week, got a skull fracture and his grandma died on the same week. He must have had a hell of a week...

Anyhow, now I got 2 full-time people. One writer that manages and uploads content for my sites and then another for another business. You must get lucky and remember to give bonuses show appreciation towards those that work for you. My writer made me $xx,xxx (read my journey if you want to see the process) his first 2 months so I gave him a computer, the second one should get a gift soon as he is already making stuff profitable.

Just keep trying and trying and after a while you'll become lucky with it I guess.

Good luck!

RuthSam said:

I tried the outsourcing to Pakistan and India for some time ago, it's too much of work to train them and actually get them understand what they shall do. Now I'm doing it all myself.

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Struggling right now... I give exact instructions, have to repeat it three times trying to explain it in a different way because they don't understand what I need. Then they demand Skype-chat. Last time I literally read off the screen what I wrote in the first instruction word by word - and magically when I tell them instead of writing - they understand.
Then magically shit gets done.

I am learning to be a freelancer coder now, I understand that you guys could meet some stupid unprofessional guys. I have met a guy here, he want to have a bot to collect email from a listing website. I did it but that guy refuse to pay me and he want to make sure that he could sell that bot for money too. I mean WTF is that? I could sell that bot for money, why I need to work for him? I think it's just bad luck when you meet these unprofessional guys, just forget it a move on.
It's not related but I want to work as a freelancer coder tooo, I have experience in: Java bot, collecting big database, basic android dev.... I am a nice guy that accept low salary, I need experience more than money. If I can't do it I will let you know, for me the most important thing is your satifaction. I won't take money if you are not happy about the result.
My email: [email protected]
Skype: vuongthanhlam001

Have known a freelancer guy who at one point got so many orders that had to start outsourcing a growing part of them. Had no time to test the first guy he hired - the job was done poorly making him spend couple of nights checking and tweaking by himself. He later done it right and found a couple freelancers with nice reviews and gave them some test orders. As soon as he was sure of their skills, he established nice and long going relations with them which became a key to his future development.

I know what you feeling and what you're going through.

When I first started outsourcing work, I ended up in the same position as you're in.

Make no mistake about it, as awesome as outsourcing can be in reducing your costs and increasing the amount of time you have, it can also be a trap.

This is especially true if you're dealing with people who speak English as a second language or there are cultural issues that get in the way.

In terms of infrastructure, this can be a headache as well because not all countries have smooth internet connections and uninterrupted power supply.

With that said, in terms of production, the best advice I can give you is to walk your virtual assistant through the steps of the project that you need done.

Don't skip any steps.

Basically, take a video of you going through all the screens to do a particular task.

Also, you should have a written version of the task as well as a quality control checklist.

This is eliminated 95% of my outsourcing headaches.

The other 5%, I'm sorry to break this to you, you really can't avoid.

I am of course talking about infrastructure issues.

They are what they are.

If the person that you're outsourcing work to lives in an area where there is a brownout pretty much once a week, then you just have to live with that.

Maybe you can work around it by having the person work different hours to compensate lost production time due to loss of power.

Outsourcing = running a legitimate business.

It seems like every single large corporation is going to outsource their work at some point - that's just the way it is!

Don't go with the first person you see and tea them out and see if they can do the tasks you need them to do. Regarding the Internet going down issue, not really much you can do there but if it's a common problem, find someone else.

People complain about poor outsourcing yet are sitting there paying pennies per hour essentially. Seriously stop and think about it. You pay shit, you will get shit labor in return because the guy you pay $0.30 to for a task is TRYING to stack more work on his plate to make up for slave wages... so he does a rush job on everything. The whole of India is rife with this.

Go find some connections, offer better pay, and demand better work. Don't be a virtual version of a sweat shop asshole.

Also BEWARE of middle men. People you might find posing as freelancers who are actually middle men from India/wherever that take your $20 and go pay a native $5 to do the job. Finding a direct source to a honest person, that you treat with respect and build a longterm relationship with is the key.

I never outsource my work until my project doesn't start to make decent money and the work volume isn't becoming bigger... Then I hire real pros and pay them good and I don't have any problems... Here Im talking only about running an authority sites...

Cha Wong said:

Outsourcing: Sometimes it's good or sometimes not..

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Amazing insight there Cha...

Cha Wong said:

Outsourcing: Sometimes it's good or sometimes not..

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Needed the post boost your post count didn't ya, lucky for you that i am not a mod here or your previous 13 groundbreaking posts would have been in the ban can, together with you.....


Wait......... Maybe i can get your dumb spamming ass banned

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In this industry, using a quality outsource (team) can cause you to grow exponentially.

I wrote a little thing about managing them here if that helps you some, OP.

Don't mind me sharing a quote: "Price is what you pay, Value is what you get" - WB.

Sometimes, it's not about high prices to attract the right talents, but testing them is really important. My fair share of experience is that I personally sourced from a low cost service provider (no brand, no name, nothing). Treated them with respect and honestly tried to pay above market (slavery) rates.

At the end, the outcome is still the same where crappy work is provided - with respect, above market value and after testing two of them. It seems that it's really third party service provider that sublets out contracts/projects.

Strictly disappointed but had faced the real world. The next time, a downpayment of 20% at max will be remunerated and nothing else if unsatisfactory.

Peace,
VXS