Outsourcing work is a Pain in Ass!

Outsourcing is pretty much a hit-and-miss.

Once you find someone reliable and efficient stick to him. Remember to reward them for their efforts, not to the point that you'll spoil him tho.
 
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ThopHayt said:
People complain about poor outsourcing yet are sitting there paying pennies per hour essentially. Seriously stop and think about it. You pay shit, you will get shit labor in return because the guy you pay $0.30 to for a task is TRYING to stack more work on his plate to make up for slave wages... so he does a rush job on everything. The whole of India is rife with this.

Go find some connections, offer better pay, and demand better work. Don't be a virtual version of a sweat shop asshole.

Also BEWARE of middle men. People you might find posing as freelancers who are actually middle men from India/wherever that take your $20 and go pay a native $5 to do the job. Finding a direct source to a honest person, that you treat with respect and build a longterm relationship with is the key.
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ThopHayt nailed it.

Pay your VA a better price than market rate and you will see that it pays in long run.
Also a person with good skills will always charge more than average joe.

Also when you hire a VA, don't go for a long tern contract at first. Try them for a week and then decide if you want to keep them or not.
 
It takes some time to find a great one, but when you do, you just know it. I agree that it can be a pain in the butt, but keep looking and you will find yours.
 
Jesus christ arent there thread for that?I need money and im not a child,got plently of time,tell me what to do and will be done..
 
I am outsourcing 70% of my works. all going well
 
Hiring a VA today to get some bulk orders done, hope it works out!
 
natedogg said:
...How many of you outsource your work and what advice would you give to someone like me or any other marketers to "outsource" their work.
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I outsource most of my work. The key is to keep testing new people, and keep the ones thats good - remove the bad apples. Don't listen to their excuse, remove them and move on.
When you make a lot of money, increase the pay of the good ones to keep them, and find better quality outsourcers. There's no VA that can do everything for you (unless you paying extremely high), so stick to sending each person their jobs.
When you do find someone thats good, make sure to keep them.
 
cocoholo said:
as per experience, if you don't go cheap with your VA, they tend to stick.
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This is the whole issue. The bargaining have reached a stage where the outsourcer wants one free service for one paid service.

MisterF said:
I ordered some sites off someone 4 weeks ago, gave specific criteria that the domains MUST BE .coms, needless to say they came back with .Org. Even when you are clear with instructions some people hear but don't listen.
Outsource can be the same, had it before where the trial service was very good, hired them for seo and the resulting work was not as good.
Used Odesk ( as was ) a couple of years back, for some seo work, the work was actually done by someone different to the person I hired and was a mess. Site fell like a stone in rankings.

What I have since found is pay a fair rate and look after the worker(s) and from time to time if yo've had a good month / quarter, give them a bonus.
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Exactly.

RuthSam said:
I tried the outsourcing to Pakistan and India for some time ago, it's too much of work to train them and actually get them understand what they shall do. Now I'm doing it all myself.
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It is not too much work to train, but definitely if you find the right talent and are willing to pay a bit more than what you might want to pay then you will be able to the job done at the quality that you have in mind.

MonsterMag said:
Struggling right now... I give exact instructions, have to repeat it three times trying to explain it in a different way because they don't understand what I need. Then they demand Skype-chat. Last time I literally read off the screen what I wrote in the first instruction word by word - and magically when I tell them instead of writing - they understand.
Then magically shit gets done.
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To be very frank, agree to start with pennies and when you see that the guy has talent then increase it. Pennies can never get work done even in India. If someone is claiming to do it, then they are just trying to get a foothold in business or they are just shit.
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Pay shit and one will get to see only a$*hole# and this is applicable anywhere not just India. Cheap labour only means it is cheaper than the place from where you are outsourcing, don't consider it is going to be the cheapest. Talent costs money anywhere irrespective of place/country.
 
It depends on whom you choose! Some of the best professionals out there can give you a bigger and better pain in the ass with their timely and top-quality services! lol
 
It's going to take a lot of time and even paying more to find the right people. I must of gone through hundreds of writers just to find the 20 good ones I use today.
 
It can be a pain at times, but creating good systems that are easily copied and learned is the key.

I create clear work flows for the tasks I want my VAs to perform, complete with video instructions. It takes a little bit of time for me to begin with, but then it's quick to train them up.

I try and make sure there is no reason for them to have to think to much.
 
Its tough to find good VAs and if you go for those on low pay from third world countries, you should be ready for internet problems and what not.
 
I have found a pretty outsourcing company to use but I they aren't extremely cheap but still less than a minimum wage worker in the US. The key is in the training. If anyone wants a recommendation let me know.
 
outsourcing is never bad if you you find the right VA or service who hold the potential and passion do tasks , or else they can be a pain in the ass. I also wont feel wrong revealing things to my VAs to an extent. Content , link building tasks can be outsourced, but the strategy to rank and bank is never revealed . outsourcing is the best way to grow an efficient team of roleplayers. Never let go a good VA and give proper acknowledgement to their efforts and services.
 
honestly the hardest part is finding someone competent. i've outsourced several hundred jobs, on average it takes about 15-20 before i find someone i want to hire privately for higher-end stuff. the key (for me at least) is to test several while always keeping a keen eye for who's exceptional, when u find them go from there.
 
I find the clearer I am on writing the requirements, and the stricter I am on making sure the person I hire has deep experience and solid reviews doing what I need them to do... the better the result. Every single time I've hired the low price person I've regretted it.
 
I don't know whether I'm unfortunate or not having enough research, but my experience outsourcing is pain in the ass.
They are either not up to the point even training them for times or they're too clever after training and have their own mind and leave.

P.S: I'm not a cheap ass in outsourcing!
 
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