New Panda Refresh Today!?! My rankings have returned

pangolin123 said:

@manny521,

I believe that you mentioned that you were hit with the Unnatural links penalty somewhere few months ago? Could it be that the penalty have been removed and you have been recovered from the penalty? Is it 3 months since you received the Unnatural links penalty message in the webmaster tools? Is there any message dispplayed at your webmaster tools?

I am also reaching my 3rd month of the Unnatural links penalty and was wondering..

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Could be, but I was hit on April 24th really hard by penguin. I have no doubt in my mind that I was hit by penguin.

Then yesterday they did a penguin refresh and my site came back.

Chicilikit said:

I'm happy for you guys who regained your positions, unfortunately my main site got hit again. It is very competitive adult term (name of one solo girl) I was on 1-2 position before penguin, after penguin I was 2-3 page, yesterday page 13 and now its nowhere to find. My sub pages and web 2.0 are above me. Its really strange, because I never used many black hat stuff on this domain and zero since penguin. I'm gonna try that interlinking stuff. I would also like to ask you what kind of links should I use for better anchor variation, is there any kind of backlinks that seems to be penguin proof?

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I wish I could answer your question with a direct answer, but to tell you the truth, I don't know.

Probably the safest backlink type is a social signal, plus one's, facebook likes, retweets...not sure how those work with an adult site...

my site that got over optimisation penalty got its sitelinks today, and no keyword rank yet, ranking came back shortly few weeks back, they all gone agian.

my sites also came back )))

google is getting so fucking annoying , every month they have a new animal update and fuck everyone in the ass
I'm fed up with them

Razvan said:

google is getting so fucking annoying , every month they have a new animal update and fuck everyone in the ass
I'm fed up with them

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It's like being on a roller coaster. You go up, you go down, you go up, you go down...

Razvan said:

google is getting so fucking annoying , every month they have a new animal update and fuck everyone in the ass
I'm fed up with them

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i was reading through this forum and it seems many people got hit on this refresh that made it through on the first penguin...

penguin makes no sense...

Razvan said:

google is getting so fucking annoying , every month they have a new animal update and fuck everyone in the ass
I'm fed up with them

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Yes, this is BHW. Isn't there anything we can do to get them to stop this, or are we all pussies?

Because if they are allowed to carry on destroying people's businesses like this without a care, they will just continue until we have all shot ourselves. #justsayin

pangolin123 said:

@manny521,

I believe that you mentioned that you were hit with the Unnatural links penalty somewhere few months ago? Could it be that the penalty have been removed and you have been recovered from the penalty? Is it 3 months since you received the Unnatural links penalty message in the webmaster tools? Is there any message dispplayed at your webmaster tools?

I am also reaching my 3rd month of the Unnatural links penalty and was wondering..

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You got me thinking and what I am thinking is that the penalty I received on Feb 17th + penguin (april 24th) might of combined to create the penalty I received...

I use the word "might" b/c I really don't believe this to be true, but it could be a possibility...but highly unlikely...

I too received the Unnatural links penalty on 18/03/12 according to my webmaster tools and site dropped to No 9 from No 1 for my main keyword. All my other keywords also start to lose ranking to 100+ positions except for my main keyword until 24/04/12 (Penguin update) and the main keyword dropped its ranking from No 9 to 300+ position. I too have done high PR submission, Wiki submissions to diversity the anchors, social media backlinks, twitter retweets, etc. But, I am yet to see any inprovements in the rankings.

Maybe its still too early as the Unnatural links penalty usually recovers in 3 months. Hoping for the best..

I just saw the oddest thing. Someone in the same niche as me is on page 2 for a two word phrase (high competition, excellent keywords, etc) that penguin dropped me for. I can't complain because I came back from disappearing all together and the keywords I came back for are excellent. I came back for all the keywords except for this two word phrase. But I'm very confused as to how this happened that he is so high up for this phrase that others in my niche would rejoice over being in google for. Anyway, the competitor has a store in California. His site has no more than 10 pages. His products aren't for sale on his site. There is a picture of his physical storefront on his site. The title of his site is his store name. His site is a generic "come visit my store in California" site. The site isn't optimized and he made zero use of keywords on it. His domain shows up in google only 2,500 times and those are just stat sites. I don't get this at all.

pangolin123 said:

Maybe its still too early as the Unnatural links penalty usually recovers in 3 months. Hoping for the best..

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Where have you seen that the site recovers after 3 months? I have seen people mention that the message disappears after 2 months but not that the site recovers. Or do you have experience with this on another site?

Here is an interesting video put out by SEO nukeX: http://www.senuke.com/blog/?p=276

Basically, they postulate that Penguin is only onsite SEO focused...Up to this point, I have 100% disagreed with this and believed it was 100% offsite...

He makes a decent argument and what I am concluding now is that most likely its both...why wouldn't it be both? why would it be so one sided? why can't it be both?

Nonetheless, my belief is that my site recovered b/c of the strong interlinking between my pages which helped my site get out of penguin, so if this is true, and this is a big if, so onsite seo is what would have pulled me out...

but this doesn't really explain why only my money pages were effected by penguin and not my 1000+ blog posts, none of those pages lost their rankings...

so, i still have a question mark over my head about this...

Watched it.. I don't buy it.

I had an 10-page adsense website going from 2 or 3 (for its EMD keyword) to 67 after penguin. Did nothing (went on vacation) and when I came back it was back to 5. It wasn't link dilution or anything seo-related (everybody seems to think his tactics did the trick) that saved that page, seems they just changed their algo.
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I watched the video yesterday too Manny, and I am of the same belief as you. Penguin is a combination of onpage and offpage factors. Also, not that senuke would put out anything inaccurate, but one would have to question their opinion being unbiased. As one that sells software to build links, any change Google makes could impact their revenue.

I had a boatload of sites with unnatural link notices in webmaster tools. It took about one day to clear that up on all of the sites, which by the way are all small inconsequential sites compared to my main money makers. My main money makers have nothing related to Google on them nor were they in webmaster tools. Anyway, I recovered one of these small sites from around position 6-> 490 (penguin) ->9. The same technique was applied to the other sites and none have recovered. The only reason why that single site recovered is likely due to Google tweaking Penguin some.

So how can we fix our sites so they rank better? We can't. Google's algorithm is still in a state of flux and more algorithm tweaks will follow. Search for python hosting and the top site is a forum thread from 2008. Search for car wax and the top site is a meguiars.com page which does not have the word wax anywhere at all on the page (not in the title, description, visible text, alt image, etc.). One would think turtlewax.com would be above that, considering their brand in the car wax market and the fact that they do at least have the words car wax on their page. But turtlewax.com is sitting at position #4, which is below consumerreports.com too.

If we hatchet up our sites now, when Google settles down our sites are likely going to be buried deep in the serps. Be careful in what you change on your sites is my best advice. Doing nothing is better than taking quality content and diluting it to appease penguin.

I think the big G is trying to make this Panda thing random and unpredictable, so that it can be hard to really figure out what their system is doing.

Bloghat said:

I had an 10-page adsense website going from 2 or 3 (for its EMD keyword) to 67 after penguin. Did nothing (went on vacation) and when I came back it was back to 5. It wasn't link dilution or anything seo-related (everybody seems to think his tactics did the trick) that saved that page, seems they just changed their algo.
My 2ct

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This is possible. Maybe its nothing I did to recover from penguin, google just changed their algo and my site no longer got caught in the net...

The problem is that there are so many variables its hard to pinpoint the one that caused me to escape penguin...

Knock on wood my friend.

My sites still tanked. I added 30 pages of new content to it on friday and am waiting for a reindex. Congrats though i hope it's not short lived.

Nordajgt said:

Knock on wood my friend.

My sites still tanked. I added 30 pages of new content to it on friday and am waiting for a reindex. Congrats though i hope it's not short lived.

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I would think I should be good until the next refresh a month from now...whether I will pass the next refresh, flip a coin and we will see...