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New Google Update - Where the Hell is Everyone's Professionalism?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by azguru, Apr 27, 2012.

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  1. azguru

    azguru Elite Member

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    It is getting incredibly annoying to see all of these immature posts about the new Google update every time I log on to BHW. People are blaming this on Matt Cutts and creating obscene posts cursing the guy. I see people talking about dropping out of SEO, or straying away from Google and onto other search engines. Aren't you guys professionals?

    Yes, this update does kind of suck, but this is business. In business, shit happens. A good business man will evaluate the situation and start drafting new plans and implementing them immediately. NO good business man takes a hit and then complains about it being the end of the world on a forum. I come to BHW to learn more and hear about the great finds of others. I do NOT log on here to see a bunch of professionals bitching about a recent hit.

    It's embarrassing for BHW as a community to have tons of black hatters posting stuff about their business being completely ruined and their lives being over because of this Google update. We are black hatters. It's our job to remain confident and find the next new way to "beat the system." These posts are regressive and childish.

    I GET IT. Your rankings dropped and, consequently, so did your income. Fix it! Any experienced SEO specialist has been hit by a panda update, the sandbox, or something that negatively effects their SERPs. You CAN get out of it. There is always a solution. Luckily, I wasn't hit by this one, but I was hit by the last one. After that, I developed a new SEO plan which is probably what saved me from this newest Panda/Penguin update.

    This post may piss some people off, but it had to be said. Nothing ever goes as planned in business as business is a cut throat, sink or swim battle. Are you going to sink or swim?
     
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  2. Lowbrow

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    Like I said today to some random old person I was passing on the street (in reference to SEO): "This is a game. It's a big game. Just remember that. It's a game that my livelihood depends on...but it's still a game."

    Didn't we learn anything from Omar on The Wire? He said it all the time, when things would go bad for him or the people he jacked...it's all in the game.
     
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    It proves that in this business, mindset is more important than technique.
     
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    I hear you, but I think people have the right to voice a little frustration. I think the problem is that a lot of people don't look at it like trying to "beat the system." A lot of us are simply trying to provide a good experience for the people that visit our sites. Of course, we are also trying to profit from that good experience, but that doesn't make us evil webmasters.

    People are pissed because this update didn't accomplish anything. Google didn't improve on the overall user experience, and that has us upset, which I think says a lot about some of us. I think if the update actually did get rid of the shitty sites you wouldn't see so many people bitching. It just gets sickening when completely worthless sites now occupy the top spots, while some of our quality sites sit at #48.

    I'm not giving up (and I don't think most people are), but that doesn't mean we can't talk (or bitch) about it.
     
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    Exactly, this stuff happens. You can either complain about it or deal with it. Progression vs. Regression.

    Yep. I could reference the stories of many millionaires who failed 1000 times before they succeeded, but to avoid cliche motivational pitches, I won't.
     
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    While I agree, websites are often infrastructure... loss of infrastructure can be very serious. Especially when there's thousands of man hours behind something.
     
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    Sometimes we/all of us need to to bitch and complain as it helps to relieve some of the stress of lost income. If it makes you so mad, don't read it. I read what I want on this forum and what I don't want to read, I ignore.
     
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    I think the amount of negativity surrounding this recent update is warranted. You're going to sit there and tell me this update has improved search results?

    Please get off your high horse and come back to reality.
     
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    I agree that the new algo is shit and ineffective, but that's not my point. You don't get to choose what you are handed, only how you deal with it. Complaining accomplishes nothing.

    Once again, I agree completely BUT you have two options; give up and accept your losses, or rebuild and move forward. My post is not about the actual situation going on, it's about how everyone deals with it.

    It doesn't make me mad, I just think it needs to be addressed. Imagine coming to BHW for the first time and seeing all these complaint threads. You would think the forum is teeming with amateurs.

    Plus, this thread was a response to the SURPLUS of threads being posted. We really only need 2; one to complain about it, and one to discuss solutions.
     
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    I couldn't agree more!

    Get DIRECT with your marketing, not PASSIVE like search engines! F**K Goog, and F**k this Matt whoever the shit he is, get to mass mailing and bulk socialing and STFU about google already!
     
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    You are completely missing the point. I AGREE THAT THIS NEW ALGO IS SHIT. I have seen so many shitty sites in the top 10. Please read that loud and clear. I AM IN NO WAY DISPUTING THAT THIS UPDATE SUCKS. I am simply stating that there are proper ways to deal with negative hits in business -- Thus the reference to professionalism.
     
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    While I understand that there are some pissed off people but if you are being legit. You would have nothing to worry about. My sites were okay because I knew I was okay because I just build links naturally & add content, I know people always want a quick way out but honestly? What's it worth in the long run?
     
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    It's quite easy to say all that when you then say, "it didn't affect me". Hello. I get what you're saying, even respect to a degree, but when a person gets knocked for a loop like this they react. "To every action there's a reaction". It takes a while to regroup and venting is normal. Some may react more strongly than others, but we're all only human. "Scolding" sure doesn't help anyone.
     
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    You're naive and lying to yourself... the reason your sites are ok is because they weren't making enough to not be ok...
    Hint: white hat SEO doesn't mean you're ok...
     
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    Dude, 90% of the people on this forum are children. Of course you are going to hear nothing but bitching and whining when something doesn't go their way.
     
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    I'm upset, and I have not seen ANY drop in revenue because of the work I did post feb...
    I think every person who was doing well in this game is upset right now. Honestly, I have a MS in Nuclear Engineering from MIT, so it's not like I cannot make a good living no matter what I choose to do.

    That being said:

    I saw a site that was bought for $150k (EMD in a hyper competitive niche and had no backlinks before he bought it) drop from #1 (spent at least $25k/mth on backlinks for a year), to #11 in March, to #68 now.

    He was making at least $20k/day in profit... now I'd guess about 1/20th that... and that's only because he's still #1 on bing/yahoo....

    Seriously, can you even imagine that? That's a site with around 25 employees. The vast majority of them will be laid off within the month.
    This is a market where you have to have your own Visa/MC ISO to operate in... and you cannot exactly move that to the next site down the line...
     
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    actually there's nothing wrong with whining as long as they take action. If everyone stay quiet about everything, Google would believe the SERP is actually better (because nobody is whining).

    Imagine if there's no single protest in country like Egypt and everybody's just thinking like you "don't complain, this is how it is", then Mubarak could have stayed as president as long as he wanted.

    While I agree with you that whining WITHOUT taking action is childish action but there are also webmasters who still trying as best as they can. There's nothing wrong if you voice your frustration as long as you still try your best to adapt.
     
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    I think that we simply have to accept that we are in an field that has a lot of risk. There is so much that is out of our hands completely. Even if you play 100% by the rules, you can lose everything.
     
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    React how you wish. Dont make it public. Not going to lie...I was a little upset when I went to Subway today and they ran out of ham...but I didn't post about it. I also got hit pretty hard by the last panda update, but you won't find a thread I started complaining about it. I reevaluated my plan and moved on.

    Picture Matt Cutts logging on to BHW and realizing he sunk everyone's site: Mission Complete.

    Everyone who is getting upset with my post is missing the point here. THE EFFECTS FUCKING SUCK!! I don't know how much clearer I can make this. I am merely pointing out the immaturity in our BHW communal response. You don't see Bill Gates tweeting about how its bullshit that Apple is stealing their business as they progress to be the most cash-rich company in the world. Why not? Because it is unprofessional.
     
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    So, you are here on a BLACKHAT forum for what? To see what everyone here is doing so you don't accidentally do it?