My Startup is Tanking -- Need serious consultation

blackerthanblack ,

Isnt it a little dangerous to gambit on alternativeniche markets simply by looking up what may be valuable on a search engine? The unreliability of sources everywhere is what has landed me in this humiliating review in the first place.

I need solid, reliable information. Not just with what to do instead, but what to do with the assests I have now. If I just take the first insight given to heart, I could end up in another fickle situation or worse.

Where would you take it from here?
 
Hm. You should definitely rethink your business structure. If your partner is headstrong until in a headlock. Is that the type of partner you really need to be investing time and money into? It took you a few years ago to save up and its dwindling in a seo piss pot? I would have done an individual or done more due diligence. If I can be of assistance. Let me know.
 
OP, my t̶w̶o̶ t̶e̶n̶ fifty cents;

a) Figure out the core of the problem as to why your traffic isn't converting.
I promise you, it will be simple. Do not over complicate it. The answer is not as elusive as you might think, and is most likely the stacked combination of a number of factors.

b) Determine the solutions to the problem
There's probably more than one way to fix whatever you define as the problem(s).
Do not look for a perfect fix as a starting point, rather, look for a minimum viable temporary fix to prove that what you think is the problem is actually the problem, and also that your fix will work (ie if you think you have shitty pictures and copy on your product pages, invest in professional photos and professional copy for just the two products that get the most traffic, and compare the before/after figures, before you apply the proposed fix site-wide).

c) Decide whether implementing the solution is a commercially sound decision
Pretty simple, again. If the cost to implement the solution is $500 and it's 92% likely to make you a return of $5k a month, it's a non-question - you would do it in a heartbeat.
However, if it's a 'lets try this $5k fix, and it might improve our conversion', you'd damn well want to have an upside of >$20k/mth to do that type of experimenting.

Figure out your own in-house Sharpe ratio. I have a totally bastardized and highly simplified version of the Sharpe ratio that I use for decision making when determining which opportunities to pursue and which to leave alone. For every dollar of risk in testing/playing/chasing dreams there needs to be $x of potential monthly return for a top 3 ranking - but the stop/go decision is further calculated by considering the time investment and operational complexity/simplicity of delivering whatever must be delivered to generate the cash once ranked.
Unfortunately it's usually the case that the inverse of that is that if the operational simplicity is high (ie a drop shipping site that runs 100% on auto pilot) the return is low, as well it should be, because I'm not particularly adding value to anyone's life or business. So when you see an opportunity that has simple operational execution, and the risk/reward is right for chasing it down, you know it's a good opportunity relative to other opportunities so you take it - and therefore you also stay away from the bad ones.
It's key to long term survival, and the failure to stay away from bad risks is also what kills most of your competitors before they become serious threats.

I suspect you should have crunched some brainfood before you took on your current project - however, it's not too late to either turn it around (assuming the problem is not a fundamental flaw in the model), or to cut your losses and make a better decision next time.
 
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Your site just looks like some junky amazon affiliate site that is commonly sold on Flippa for a hundred bucks or less.

https://flippa.com/4512335-pr1-huge-pet-store-16-000-pages-no-reserve-amazon-income-100-automated

And you have a "team"?

You would probably make some money if you just sold your crap on Amazon, and link out to Amazon to check-out.
 
if your partner is going to be 'furious' let him be. tell him the truth hurts and deal with it. that's business sometimes. what you have been getting here is the truth. you have some real problems there...two major issues being, cart provider and merchandise pricing.

need to change cart providers and do a redesign immediately. many of the largest ecommerce cart providers in the industry have much lower cart fee's and include free responsive designs which look much more professional.

pricing - did some quick comparison shopping with a few of your products and found them to be around 25% percent higher than competitors. its 2015 and shoppers are comparing prices more than ever before.

as a 'startup' with high prices and a poor site design you are in trouble. there is good news...you came here and got the truth early. start reading and learn in a hurry. good luck op.
 
Guys, this is obviously a troll. It is funny because he speaks like he has a startup but actually is just a template haha, dont fall for this one


You can call me a newbie, novice or even an idiot, but please refrain from slandering me as a liar.

I have come here to realize the severity of my 'Dunning-Krueger' and determine how to address the mistakes I made through the experience of professionals -- NOT be targetted as a victim for a flame war.

If you find it beneath you to apply constructive criticism in lieu of unssupportive bashing I must request you leave this thread. Its tough enough as it is hearing it from veterans.

Thank you.
 
blackerthanblack ,

Isnt it a little dangerous to gambit on alternativeniche markets simply by looking up what may be valuable on a search engine? The unreliability of sources everywhere is what has landed me in this humiliating review in the first place.

I need solid, reliable information. Not just with what to do instead, but what to do with the assests I have now. If I just take the first insight given to heart, I could end up in another fickle situation or worse.

Where would you take it from here?

That's not what I said at all. Tell me, how did you find the niche you're in? Why do you think it's profitable? I didn't say to search 'profitable niches' on google and pick the first result. I said to research. How is that gambling? Research doesn't just mean a searching on a search engine. It means reading and making an educated decision.

I'm sorry but no wonder you're in this situation. You're telling me you don't want to do what you've already done. I'm here telling you NOT to do that. You rushed into it to begin with and now you want to rush into a fix.

My advice is to run far away from what you have started. If you're too stubborn to do that then I guarantee you'll remember this post 12 months from now when you have hundreds more put into this sinking ship.

Maybe my advice will seem a little more solid at that time
 
I need sales copy pieces you use to sell your stuff. Also, what are your prices compared to Amazon ... if they are sold on there? I don't need to know any sensitive information, so keep it as vague (price ranges and sales copy can be segmented to avoid niche revealing). If you have already bought your merchandise can you dump it for a loss in order to gain profits to invest in more profitable measures? I'd like to keep this thread updated and open as much as possible, since there is no overnight answer to fix your problems. I'll volunteer my brain as much as possible, but don't expect miracles without time and smart work.
 
Hm. You should definitely rethink your business structure. If your partner is headstrong until in a headlock. Is that the type of partner you really need to be investing time and money into? It took you a few years ago to save up and its dwindling in a seo piss pot? I would have done an individual or done more due diligence. If I can be of assistance. Let me know.

As of right now we are addressing all feedback goven up to this point. When we finish addressing the other issues, I will return a reply in this thread to you immediately.
 
@terrace17

Dude? Why are you being so defensive about what you have done, when you are trying to fix what you have did wrong? People are suggesting you things and you are like "Is that really the reason? I need solid information which is valid 100%". Are you kidding me with that? So everyone suggested you something is a moron?

If you are looking for 100% valid information, that is never going to work in real life, please buy a text book. Else, start reading what others are suggesting and act accordingly. Some of the people here have ecommerce sites themselves, so thats why they are suggesting you to do this,do that and so. And people here have the buying power, and always does buy things online. So they are telling you why they wouldnt buy a thing off your site. So fix that so your website gets better.

First thing I suggest you to do is to hire a kickass designer and get all the shit designed neat, and sleek and professional.
 
Repulsor,

I apologize for being rude. I did indeed get defensive after reading the development of this thread.

Even the derogatory posts have merit in criticizing the site, although I feel if someone is going to call out the efforts for as badly as they think it is, they should at least point out how it should be done, or at least where it should start.
 
Repulsor,

I apologize for being rude. I did indeed get defensive after reading the development of this thread.

Even the derogatory posts have merit in criticizing the site, although I feel if someone is going to call out the efforts for as badly as they think it is, they should at least point out how it should be done, or at least where it should start.

Oh, I get it. You're looking for the papal monkey generator. That's only for Jr.VIPs

Good luck with this one fellas. Peace, I'm out.
 
Repulsor,

I apologize for being rude. I did indeed get defensive after reading the development of this thread.

Even the derogatory posts have merit in criticizing the site, although I feel if someone is going to call out the efforts for as badly as they think it is, they should at least point out how it should be done, or at least where it should start.

If you are looking for serious suggestions as well as 'shake hands and well dones' together, I dont know if BHW has people that does that.

If you are here for people to congratulate what you have done till now, good for you.

If you are here after knowing something is wrong with your site, and seriously want that patched,good for you.

Helping you wont put a fucking dollar in our pocket. Still people are helping. And you want them to congratulate you. Seriously?

WOW. You have a nice little website with nice pricing structure and cool design.I am taking my card out to purchase few products off your site right away. Brilliant site. Cool design. Over all look and feel is excellent.


If someone tell you that, they are probably making you an ass, behind your back.
Patch your site, get things done instead of looking for appreciation and congratulations. Its your startup. Not ours.
 
where is your traffic coming from?

lots of traffic won't ever convert depending where you get it.

1) start driving paid traffic from google

2) setup conversion tracking

3) split test different ads / landing page designs, sales angles and elements like header, chckout button etc.

the end.

if paid traffic doesn't convert after testing quite a few different variables well then unfortunately you should shut it down.
 
I feel if someone is going to call out the efforts for as badly as they think it is, they should at least point out how it should be done, or at least where it should start.

I've concluded the OP is a kid with no real-world experience, but plenty of mistaken views on what he thinks the real world is like.

He's the kinda guy that if he was a notch dumber, would have "CEO" in his username.

Probably already got it on his business cards, for his "startup" that is a reseller of products competing, with no competitive advantage, against thousands of other resellers.
 
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I once worked for a website that sold gaming supplies.

They started as a forum and went into selling. How they made it work:

- Found a Niche within the market (Single cards and unique supplies)
- Created partnerships with other small vendors with inventory and re - sold on their site with profit sharing.
- Leveraged free resources such as a forum to become an authority in the niche.
- Had a plethora of 'how to' guides for new people playing the Game.
- Strategy guides featuring products they sold.
- Hired people to create 'budget guides' for people which combined products which were cheap (Under 100) and had a huge mark up.
- Social sharing and forums sharing where the audience would reside.

Apart from the IM and SEO issues with your site preventing it from success, you have a cookie cutter theme, a massive inventory, no added value to an over saturated niche and no unique selling point. You are selling products people can get at the local Walmart. You need to provide value or undercut prices. If you already bought inventory, knowing your niche, I bet you paid the bulk vendor prices so you have a little bit of room to profit. But you are still selling the margins too high. Some products you make money, others you can't because your competition does not to draw in visitors.

Some easy incentives you can offer for people to buy in your niche:


- Buy $XX get a free booster pack
- Free Shipping on orders of $XXX
- Ect

This is how a lot of businesses do it in your niche. You need to go into Social Media and find the facebook groups which discuss the games you sell. You can find them on Reddit, Youtube Comments, Facebook primarily.

The MTG, a lot of adults play the Game and spend the money. You are going after a niche which has played the game a long time, have relationships with actual physical businesses and already have a preferred website to buy from. You need to steal clients by offering value or most beneficial cheaper. This is a game with a lot of big spenders but they are older.

For other games, you are dealing with kids and parents. You need to convince parents to shop from you. Think soccer moms and divorced dads. Busy. Not a lot of time. You need to get their attention. Considering I know your niche and worked in it for a few years, I can rudely and plainly tell you this:

1. Your competition spends a LOT of money to provide value to the niche and retain clients.
2. Your competition has a BIG MARKETING budget.
3. Your competition has a history with their customers.
4. Your competition sells nearly every product cheaper.
5. Your competition has a larger and more diverse inventory.
6. Your competition consists of trusted brands.
7. Your competition 'has a staff' of up to a hundred and are real businesses with a warehouse, full staff, and buys every product cheaper than you do and can sell it cheaper than you can while still making a profit.


Honestly, your niche is harder online than it would be to open a store. As far as the internet marketing issues, you can turn this around if you have the resources to fight it out and stick around for a few months.

I would suggest:

1. Mapping out product releases.
2. Creating informational pages about them on your site.
3. Rank those new pages.
4. When the product goes live, change the ranked page to the new product.

A lot of vendors offer pre - sale of items as soon as the information is leaked from the vendor. This means they have the page ready to go live before that. Not many vendors offer 'Rumored' or the Japanese released information. You can rank for the Japanese name, or the rumored set or product name before it comes out fairly easily and get residual converting traffic.

With your niche, this is the tip of the iceberg. You need to be ahead of the curve, sell everything cheaper, sell things other people do not, and have heavy social media interaction to build trust. This is not a niche you dive into. This is because of the competition. I would cut my losses now. I know the niche and can tell you are not ready for it. You are fighting against a group of buyers who are educated on the products, shop around, and have a high level of established trust with their vendors. Before buying inventory you should know which product will move because you know the market well enough.

Bottom line is this:

If you knew the niche, you would know this would be hard and expensive to make a dent. If you did your homework you would have promoted heavily and built trust with the industry before you paid for inventory. To get SEO traffic you are fighting big budgets. To get referral, direct, forum or social media traffic you need to build trust with your clients.


A side note, you can throw a life vest on your business with Facebook ads. You can easily scrap the Facebook email ids of users who already are active in or on existing gaming websites fan pages or groups and create targeted and cheap ads to your client base. It is the least expensive way for you to get to your audience. With proper split testing and promotional offers you can actually make some money to at least sell your inventory. Good luck.
 
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Poor kid seems to have got screwed.

If I got burned on a site that bad I'd look into a refund, or charge back, or whatever is allowed.
 
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