My first blind date and I like her already.

Krazie said:

I know females like this. If you fall for her she will end up getting mad at you and/or hating you. Take my advice, concentrate on your money and stay away.

I know it's probably not the advice you wanted to hear, but it's the honest truth from my experiences. Women like having guy friends, but the ones who are actually loyal to their bf's get really mad and never talk to guys again once they cross that line.

Either way goodluck with whatever path you choose, but don't ever let anything come before your real happiness, and of course BHW ;D

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euhero said:

no bro, she is really in to you. go for it.










and then cry.

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srb888 said:

She has a BF who she cares about coz she wanted to talk to him (and her family there) and couldn't, it got her pissed off for a long time. Canada is where she belongs and she will go back soon... that western life is in her blood and the infatuation is one way -- from your side; she obviously has a lot of other male friends and for her you seem to be just one of them. IMO, move along and then when time comes to part you'll not be shattered.

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Dazzler said:

Well no matter what, she is going to go back to Canada eventually. So I guess your choices are stop talking to her and feel like shit now, or feel even shittier later.

I just don't think she's going to change her mind if she's made it clear about the situation with her boyfriend. So personally, I'd probably just move on, try meeting other girls, it's probably going to tear you apart to keep hanging out when you feel that way about her.

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Frostedbutts said:

Abandon ship chief, you're in the friend zone and you're going nowhere fast.

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I agree it was not a date. Lets say we met for coffee. She isn't going to break up with him for no reason. Even if she starts liking me, I would never tell her to break up with her BF. If she really likes me and wants to break up, she will.

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Eliminate Contact For A Few Weeks

Remove yourself from her for a while. Sometimes 2-3 weeks is enough, sometimes a month or two. And I mean COMPLETELY. You should not see or talk to her. Your goal is to reset your associations with her and come back to her as if your "catching up" with each other and haven't seen each other for a while. When you come back to her it is important that you reverse the frame on her within the first few times you see her. Don't set a sexual frame at all, it will be unknown to her and she probably won't expect one of her "friends" to act like that. It will "shock/surprise" her. And you don't want that in this case. With a random sexual frame, she will react as being uncomfortable and it will be awkward.

Reverse The Frame

When I say reverse the frame, I mean to reverse it by carefully making it seem like she is the one who is wants you. This is one of the few situations where I would definitely disqualify her at an opportune time.

For example, since you are friends, it's likely she will say something positive about you at some point. Especially if you haven't seen her for a while. Such as "I missed you!" Just say things like "oh geez, don't be clingy, you know I'm too good for you anyways..". But say it in a VERY jokingly way. Give her a gay little shuv even just for good measure. Make sure your smiling and she knows your just teasing . This should be done less cocky and more funny.

Out Of The Friendzone, Into The "Flirty Zone"

When you say these kinds of things every now and then, it will adjust your friendship into a flirty sort of one. This is how you eventually will get your opportunity to move from flirty to sexual. But once your LJBF'd (Let's just be friends), you cannot achieve the perception of a potential suitor until you cross into the "flirty zone". Once you achieve a flirtacious friendship, then you can advance it to flirting + light kino . See below for kino tactics. Flirting with her should start from the minute that you see her after your little two or three week "break".

At first, it will be you flirting with her, keep it sarchastic and funny. Eventually, you should start to see her initiate flirtyness more often when you see her. The more often she gets flirty with you, the more closer you are to being able to move to the next step of getting out of LJBF.

Proper Kino Escalation In A LJBF Situation

Initial Kino should be punches in the arm, butt bumps, and lame gay shit like that cuz it is non-threatening. Speaking of your kino task. You should escalate in this order:

1) nudging/arm punching/butt bumps when joking with each other

2) Sitting closer together (if your on a couch, see if she lets you lay your head in her lap as if you were tired and falling asleep, lay your head on her lap with your back to her -- its less threatening)

3) Put your arm around her neck while your walking&talking. Do this only for like 10-15 seconds or so, MAX, then release her. Keep doing this every so often until she responds by wrapping her arms around your waist. Until she wraps around your waist, do not move foward to the next kino step.

4) When your walking with your arms around each other each other (above), let go and grab her hand. Then walk while holding hands for a minute or two and then let go.

Act like this is all happenning naturally. It is important that you release her before she has the option to push you away.

5) If you got away with holding hands, you can get away with kissing her. Don't kiss her the first time you hold hands.

6) To kiss her: Wait until the 2nd time you hold hands (while walking&talking) and when you stop walking, so will she. Turn your shoulders towards her to face her slowly and closely. Lean in and kiss her. Don't lean in too much tho.

These 6 kino steps should be a slow process that may take place over a few different days with her. Seperate each kino step by atleast 1-2 hours. Calibration is very important. If you go to much too fast? You blew it.

You should never discuss "Dating" with her or say anything that implies that you want to date her. If you ask her out, tell her you want to "spend the day with her". And take her out and just chill with her, tease her, kino escalate, release. Your going to be doing A LOT of Bait Hook Reel Release.

A great place to take her to accomplish a "day together" is the beach. Take her somewhere that you will do a lot of walking. Preferably the state fair, the beach, avoid the mall. Take her wine tasting, etc.. You'll need to do a lot of bumping/teasting/nudging/teasing etc... and you can't do that sitting down in a gay ass movie theater. DO NOT TAKE HER TO THE MOVIES.

100% of the time you should maintain the idea that you didn't expect this to happen bla bla bla. But don't say it unless she says something first. You need to down play this whole experience. It will be very awkward to her if you push to fast, get to aggressive, talk about needy shit, have needy body language , etc...

and thats "Get out of the LJBF Zone 101"... folks

Best of luck.

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corky20 said:

Like others have said looks like your heading for the Friend Zone!

If you really like her here's what to do. This is advice from a world famous pick-up artist on how to get out of the Friend Zone and into the "Flirty Zone"...

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corky20 said:

Like others have said looks like your heading for the Friend Zone!

If you really like her here's what to do. This is advice from a world famous pick-up artist on how to get out of the Friend Zone and into the "Flirty Zone"...

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Kikerinka said:

I knew such girl some time when I lived in Spain... It's a sad story, but you may find some help there for you:

She was very beautiful, intelligent, with "open eyes" and simply someone you can talk about anything whole night and it makes you feel so good. I mean, usually I am pretty tired at night, but with this girl I can walk some empty streets of Barcelona late cold night and I just felt so wonderful.

The thing is that like every hour (even in late night), some other guy texted her or called her or emailed her or what ever. And she replied all the calls with such a smile and nice approach to people.

For me (let's say I consider myself being people expert) it was clear that many of these men are in love with her just from those phone calls I heard (got I was also in love with her!). But from her point of view it was a different story and believe me or not - she did not realize these guys were in love with her. She taught it was just a friendship....

And doesn't matter how hard I tried (without anything too physical) to show her that my feeling isn't friendship but love, she simply in her beautiful simplicity can not understand that...

After some time of deep thinking and lonely walking in Barcelona I understood that such girls are simply to great to be a possession of just one guy... I left Spain (what was planned) and forgot on her - at least partially. Every Christmas I send her a postcard and am somehow happy that such person exists.

Than on the other day, I go and sleep with someone else... But what to say...

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