I'm not going to post in the "shit list" section for either of these 2 companies being that their p.r. goons will jump in. So I'll at least share my experiences so if you're in the market for hosting/VPS you can add this to your research. Disclaimer: I know how to run WordPress sites and have for years now. I don't use nulled themes or plugins and WordFence and lock down all my sites. So before these companys' damage control stooges get on this thread and make their cases (if they do at all) just know I tested with other servers and they worked fine. I'm not going to drop the names of the ones I use now because I don't want people thinking I'm an affiliate of theirs. 1. Hostwinds. Total scam operation as far as I'm concerned. I split tested plenty of websites on their servers in comparison to other shared VPS plans with other companies. Here's what happened: Stupid number of hacks. God damn, I can't count how many times I had to start from scratch with the sites I put on their machine. Compartmentalization. None of their "departments" talk to one another. One of the hacks had me opening tickets that involved both billing and technical support. Neither of which talked to each other nor knew what the hell the other was doing which resulted in a week's worth of confusion and my sites being down. They didn't even look at the same ticket or dashboard. They had to ask me what the ticket from the other department read. It was pathetic. No matter what stooge they get on this thread to say otherwise I'll laugh at them because I know for a fact it'll be damage control. And they know it. The split test. Whenever I had hacks (I had about 5 big ones during the course of a year) I'd contact them and they'd insist it was my installations. "It's your fault, we're not developers." So I literally put the same installations, themes, plugins, all of it on another VPS just to see if it was my stuff or theirs. All of which by the way were light as hell and barely had any traffic running to 'em. The wp installations and other installations worked just fine on servers with other companies. Stupid unprofessional. During one of my hacks I was working with one of their reps, who knew absolutely nothing about hosting. She was some minimum wage earning, hood rat in "Oklahoma" on the phone literally having sex, muting the phone between responses. I know this for fact because in between one of the responses she forgot to mute the phone. I know there are probably people who are happy with Hostwinds, and if you're spending hundreds or thousands a month with them I'd hope you are. But basically to me they're a huge outsourced network of people willing to do jobs they know nothing about for cheap. I don't believe their machines are even in the U.S. I mean they might be but it would surprise me if they are. 2. 1and1 Hosting. Another total scam. I was just hacked today and every "technician" I talked to had no idea what the hell was going on. I had all my white hat sites crash and all they said was "Apache broke and we don't know how." These goofballs make believe they're bigger than what they are. I literally have the same wp installations on another server, a DMCA ignored, cheap, offshore server and my pages with them load faster than these idiots. Unless you're spending a million bucks a month with these clowns you're wide open to all kinds of hacks as well. Kind of weird for a company that does so much business and has all the experts and super support. Conclusion: I literally had less issues back in 2012 when I was with Hostgator and Bluehost. I've had to move to VPS's due to scaling up and didn't want to stick with companies all belonging to the same owners especially when after the buyout a flood of bad reviews started coming in. I'm actually an easy-to-please customer but I'm not about to be told it's my wp installs/plugins constantly when I have the same installations, down to the node on another VPS and it works fine. P.S. Most of my posts thus far have been negative on BHW even though this forum has literally changed my life for the better. So I promise my next posts will be positive advice and a few free bots. Lol.