More Backlinks...Lower SERP

bartgatsby said:

10 links from trusted sites with related content to your will beat 300 random backlinks.

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How effective are backlinks within the signatures on forums?

I am kind of in the same situation as you.

My freelancer published my articles on a blogspot domain.. I finally got him to take them down and now I do not know whether to move forward with my seo or purchase new articles because G might have flagged my site for dupe content.

i was not ranking before that though. my site came up with a "mysite[dot]com" search but not when i was searching for my keyword. Should I carry on with this camp or not?

Just give more time on quality backlinks and create lenses and hubpages as much as possible with quality content and anchor links of your site!!

janexus said:

How effective are backlinks within the signatures on forums?

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Effective compared to what though? These links are effective, will show some good short time results. But compared to links from pages with relevant content to your link, they dont compare.

mrtornado said:

As long as you can find yourself with "domain.com" in a google search you are not sandboxed.

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Exactly, a simple search for site:mydomain.com will reveal if you have been sandboxed or not.

milian said:

Effective compared to what though? These links are effective, will show some good short time results. But compared to links from pages with relevant content to your link, they dont compare.

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So I could basically rent/pay someone to add my sites link to their singnature since most people have several thousands posts on forums, and every post with a signature counts as a backlink.........that's like, I don't know, a lot of backlinks.

well yeah I guess, as long as they are do follow. Thats all those angelas type backlinks are, no? But quality over quantity rules here. But if your having a hard time finding quality then use the quantity. Have a nice mix.

janexus said:

So I could basically rent/pay someone to add my sites link to their singnature since most people have several thousands posts on forums, and every post with a signature counts as a backlink.........that's like, I don't know, a lot of backlinks.

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If i'm not mistaken, multiple links from the same website counted as only 1 link.

yes. you need ip diversity and if you are getting links from the same domain it will not create a great effect. try linkwheel. and Do it on your own. i have not seen great results from the purchased linkwheels.
they are not well interlinked. so not much of use.

ROTFL! This has got to be one of the most straight-up comments I've read on BHW in quite some time! (and I am a daily reader) There are so many people who love to comment on stuff they know nothing about other than what they read somewhere... This place is riddled with misinformation that people have gleaned from worthless WSO's or DP garbage and not real world experience... It is very difficult for a newb to learn how to wade through all the junk to get to the truth. I know this first hand because I am no expert and have only been at this for about a year now and it was only after I started actually experimenting with things myself that rankings started happening for me... Its sort of like learning to ride a bike... One day everything just clicks and you start to really GET IT and things start coming naturally to you and you are able to see through alot of the crap. Thats not to say just because you know how to ride a bike there is not more to learn if you want to compete with the professional bike riders who are doing stunts and stuff right? Anyway... here is my non-expert basic (I am not a stunt rider YET) opinion of your problem... and without full disclosure by you we are all left to speculate so here goes... If you on-page SEO is not cutting the mustard, or is TOO obviously an attempt to keyword spam your page, google knows what you are up... If your keyword keyword density is too high it's a strike against you. Also, <h> tags make a differentce, but again not too heavy... And like several others have said, you dont really know how many backlinks another site has because google does not report on all of them... The site I am working on at the moment I have hundreds of DIRECT backlinks that I know about and google says I have only 2-3...

IMHO "Link Juice" is what its really all about and I think thats why google hides it... Lets say I have a huge farm of linkwheels all with relevant content surrounding them and drop keyword links on all of them and point them to some blogger blog, and the only link on that blogger blog is to my money site, that basically transfers a shit-ton of "link juice" from my entire blogfarm to my money page by redirecting all the juice through my blogger blog... but even siteexplorer is only going to show I have 1 backlink to my money page. I have several sites on the front page of google for my keywords that are less than a month old and purposefully only have about 10 backlinks pointing directly at my money site. Those backlinks however were groomed specifically for that purpose... Each contains unique content (which I for one do believe makes a difference, but I suppose some people love to debate this). Behind each of those backlinks are hundreds of backlinks pointing to them with the proper anchors, surrounded by spun but relevant content. Several of my pages sit at #2 or #3 positions on a front page of google with sites no less than 2-12 years old (and mine are 1-3 months old (one is actually a week old), with hundreds of thousands of domain backlinks (amazon, target, youtube etc...), and most have more page backlinks SHOWING than I do... Its not scientific, its the magical powers of "link juice" Get youself a couple of bottle of Crazy G's "Link Juice" today! But, you better act fast before its all gone! hahahah it sounded like such a sales pitch I couldn't resist

Good luck bro...

SPB7878 said:

That's about as generic as advice gets.

Sometimes I wonder if half of the people leaving responses like this have ever actually ranked a site, or if they are just repeating some regurgitated crap they picked up in a $10 PDF.

Like mentioned above, there's really no fool proof way to know. Consistency is key with anything WH. Keep at it.

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kallen said:

ROTFL! This has got to be one of the most straight-up comments I've read on BHW in quite some time! (and I am a daily reader) There are so many people who love to comment on stuff they know nothing about other than what they read somewhere... This place is riddled with misinformation that people have gleaned from worthless WSO's or DP garbage and not real world experience... It is very difficult for a newb to learn how to wade through all the junk to get to the truth. I know this first hand because I am no expert and have only been at this for about a year now and it was only after I started actually experimenting with things myself that rankings started happening for me... Its sort of like learning to ride a bike... One day everything just clicks and you start to really GET IT and things start coming naturally to you and you are able to see through alot of the crap. Thats not to say just because you know how to ride a bike there is not more to learn if you want to compete with the professional bike riders who are doing stunts and stuff right? Anyway... here is my non-expert basic (I am not a stunt rider YET) opinion of your problem... and without full disclosure by you we are all left to speculate so here goes... If you on-page SEO is not cutting the mustard, or is TOO obviously an attempt to keyword spam your page, google knows what you are up... If your keyword keyword density is too high it's a strike against you. Also, <h> tags make a differentce, but again not too heavy... And like several others have said, you dont really know how many backlinks another site has because google does not report on all of them... The site I am working on at the moment I have hundreds of DIRECT backlinks that I know about and google says I have only 2-3...

IMHO "Link Juice" is what its really all about and I think thats why google hides it... Lets say I have a huge farm of linkwheels all with relevant content surrounding them and drop keyword links on all of them and point them to some blogger blog, and the only link on that blogger blog is to my money site, that basically transfers a shit-ton of "link juice" from my entire blogfarm to my money page by redirecting all the juice through my blogger blog... but even siteexplorer is only going to show I have 1 backlink to my money page. I have several sites on the front page of google for my keywords that are less than a month old and purposefully only have about 10 backlinks pointing directly at my money site. Those backlinks however were groomed specifically for that purpose... Each contains unique content (which I for one do believe makes a difference, but I suppose some people love to debate this). Behind each of those backlinks are hundreds of backlinks pointing to them with the proper anchors, surrounded by spun but relevant content. Several of my pages sit at #2 or #3 positions on a front page of google with sites no less than 2-12 years old (and mine are 1-3 months old (one is actually a week old), with hundreds of thousands of domain backlinks (amazon, target, youtube etc...), and most have more page backlinks SHOWING than I do... Its not scientific, its the magical powers of "link juice" Get youself a couple of bottle of Crazy G's "Link Juice" today! But, you better act fast before its all gone! hahahah it sounded like such a sales pitch I couldn't resist

Good luck bro...

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Really thanks for your share, so your point is not the quantity of backlinks but the quality right?
So here is the steps.

create for example 10 websites with unique content, of those sites you can use blog comment whatever to make backlinks for them. Then point those 10 websites to 1 blogger site, and then this blogger site point to your money site. (most importantly, no need to build other unrelated backlinks "for example blog comment" to the money site?)

Is this the process? Thanks for your time!

Count as one link eh, good to know.......lol, so no need for pointless comments just to boost signature backlinking.

no more needed to be said, nice work tropheum

how many pages is your site? do you have the basics in place... about us..privacy policy..contact us..links...faq..home... in addition to minimum of 50 related internal pages.. organized in a silo/pyramid structure...

Could be a lot of your links changed to no follow or were no follow without you knowing so when you acquired them.

My website is an ecommerce website if that makes any difference.

Ive been using scrapebox for deeplinking the past week roso and my rankings are plummeting(from 7 to 60 or so for yahoo).Funny thing is in yahoo the sites in front of my website have no back links at all.

I've been having the same troubles. I am #2 in Yah00 but page 5 on big G. Seems like the more links I get the lower SERPS I recieve from G.

Is there a surefire way to tell if you are sanboxed? I assumed that the term meant you would be temporarily de-indexed.

I have been using Scrapebox to get higher PR links but nothing I try seems to work for goggle.

Choronzon said:

I've been having the same troubles. I am #2 in Yah00 but page 5 on big G. Seems like the more links I get the lower SERPS I recieve from G.

Is there a surefire way to tell if you are sanboxed? I assumed that the term meant you would be temporarily de-indexed.

I have been using Scrapebox to get higher PR links but nothing I try seems to work for goggle.

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are you using site-wide links?

Also backlink tools do not show you all the backlinks for the site due to nature of algorithm. If they did, everyone would know how to get that #1 spot.

millhugz said:

Also backlink tools do not show you all the backlinks for the site due to nature of algorithm. If they did, everyone would know how to get that #1 spot.

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Exactly. You'll never know ALL of the backlinks a site has.