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More Backlinks...Lower SERP

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by TheTRUTH, Jan 13, 2010.

  1. TheTRUTH

    TheTRUTH Regular Member

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    I need some advice.


    I have a website that has more backlinks than even the #1 spot(not to mention with tons of linkwheels and angela-type backlinks).Yet my position is not even in the top 50! Most of the websites past page 2 or 3 are garbage and not even competing...
     
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    wayyyy to broad of a question... sorry...

    wayyy tooo many answers.... :-(

    Can you be more specific?
     
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  3. citizenx28

    citizenx28 Regular Member

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    maybe you are sandboxed by google for too fast backlinking
     
  4. cody2689

    cody2689 Registered Member

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    definitely playing in the sandbox with the neighbor kids at grandmas house. same thing happened to me
     
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  5. TheTRUTH

    TheTRUTH Regular Member

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    Yes i know there are MANY other factors that come into play.But i mean shouldnt my site be atleast in the top 50 or so?considering thoose sites ahve little to no PR.

    Would anyone of you experts mind awnsering a quick pm?It would be very appreciated.
     
  6. trophaeum

    trophaeum Senior Member

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    TRUSTED links is what you need
     
  7. TheIM2010

    TheIM2010 Newbie

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    Maybe your on-site SEO stuff is not as good as the other sites are. Plus it can be sandboxed too.
     
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  8. richcamp

    richcamp Regular Member

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    Just load up market samurai and see where your site fall short. Possibly domain age?
     
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    where can i get the market samurai?
     
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    Do you have the keyphrase you are targeting in your page title, and in H! tags and in the main text on the site?

    How old is your domain and what PR?
    How old is the domain of your competition?
    Do you have all spamy links or are there a good mix of differnt types of links and link sources, and a mix of related and non related links? (The more related the better...)
     
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    raotnv Junior Member

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    Use the IBP to analyze and compare with those top 10 sites for onpage SEO factors. IBP will give you very detailed report on each item wise step by step instructions to fix them. If you fix initially if you won't see results then you can further digging about backlinks.
     
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    Have patience and keep building links you will rank it just takes time.
     
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  13. cdc515

    cdc515 Power Member

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    if your site is less than 3 months old this is why you dont see yourself google limits new sites from ranking well. If you built links to quickly then google sandboxes you for about 3 months but then you will come back super strong. do you see your website in any of the searches such as your webpage.com if it dont show up then your sandboxed and all i can say is build a nice sandcastle while your in their. lol
     
  14. TheTRUTH

    TheTRUTH Regular Member

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    I have the keywords phrase in my tittle, and H1 tag...In market samurai the only advantages the competition has is Domain Age and PR.My site is a little over 1 year old.I have a good mix of backlinks

    EDIT: My site is showing up in site:mysite.com searches as well as mysite.com
     
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  15. bigwali

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    Do you have a good domain name? You don't have any dashes or underscores in your domain name do you? Also, if Google notices activity that is not considered normal, then you will get penalized for it. I always start with the bare minimum backlinks and then proceed from there depending on my initial position in the serps. It allows me more precise control and understanding what it takes to get improvement in the SERPS.
     
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  16. TheTRUTH

    TheTRUTH Regular Member

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    Yes, my domain has a dash( - ) so does the #1 site also.


    After a year though, I figured the "Sandbox" would not affect my site?
     
  17. blazen

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    There can be many different factors. First are these backlinks even found/indexed by google? If not then they will not help you.

    Also the number 1 website may have more backlinks than you think, but may be the search engines are not displaying them.
     
  18. bigwali

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    Excellent points, plus how many backlinks are related to your niche. I would go for quality over quanity.
     
  19. TheTRUTH

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    I am going by yahoo site-explorer/backlinkwatch.com and marketsamurai.


    I would say this is the case.But sites past page 3 are not even competing for this keyword and have little to no backlinks.yet my site is not even in the top 50.
     
  20. blazen

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    I have not used backlinkwatch.com and marketsamurai, so I'll talk about yahoo explorer. So many people use yahoo explorer to view a competitor's backlinks, but the truth is that really only good for yahoo, and gives a vague idea for google. Google might have found a lot of backlinks for your competitor but yahoo did not, so yahoo site explorer will only show what yahoo finds. If you want to rank for google, then what matters is how many backlinks that google indexes. Unfortunately google's "link:" command only show a small amount of links, so google will not let you know all of the backlinks that it has found.

    Sites past page 3 may have the keywords on the text with enough trust, backlinks, or link juice to rank even they are not targeting your keyword.
     
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