Matt Says no SEO AT ALL
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jetsetter883
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Those of you that have been hit.. please share what your backlink profile looks like. I'm beginning to think anybody with over say 1000 backlinks is getting hit hard.
CashGrower007
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A few of my sites that got hit had less than 300 backlinks which included almost all type of links.. homepage links, web2.0, private blogs, wiki;s, .edu's, bookmarks, comments, profiles..etc
Expertpeon
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No, this isn't the case... it's random...
my sites with full blown SB d0follow blasts (thousands of links from SB) are ranking very well in very competitive niches right now.
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zebrahat
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A balanced approach to this (for those still invested in pursuing SEO) is to stick to the bare essentials on-page and off-page. On page, get the keyword in the title, the url and 3% density within the article (with LSIs added). Off-page, get quality backlinks, and intelligently seek high quantities of links to buffer sites that directly link to the money site. Skip everything else. Google maybe looking at MNSs that have less than 10 pages on it, but dozens of SEO tweaks on page, and hundreds of backlinks, and saying "over-opt alert."
jetsetter883
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That could easily be post-algo Google dance, no?
0_inspiration
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What planet is Cunts living on?
He's been spouting way more misleading bullshit than before!
And this is the most obvious lie yet.
Unless Google starts delivering purely random results theres still an algorithm which means it can still be played by SEO's!
(I'd actually be more in favor of a random results upvote/downvote system as a search user, not as a site owner though
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He's been spouting way more misleading bullshit than before!
And this is the most obvious lie yet.
Unless Google starts delivering purely random results theres still an algorithm which means it can still be played by SEO's!
(I'd actually be more in favor of a random results upvote/downvote system as a search user, not as a site owner though
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thejake
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Matt might actually be hinting at a major sea-change that had its foundation in the corpus project, that I think was around 2006 and some hero developers started working on around 2008 and then left Google, for political reasons. For all the "don't be evil" things are still very political at Google, and challenging ideas like the primacy and relevancy of pagerank is dangerous. If you think about it, it's very possible for content to deserve a #1 ranking, even though it has no backlinks, and content that has no associated text to deserve #1, but there is no mechanism for that in Google's current search implementation.
Before Google won the search wars, SEO was not directly understood to be "rank #1," it was understood to be the combined efforts to make content easily indexed by search engines. Back then title tags, H1's, and even meta tags helped determine how your site would be indexed and thus how it would be ranked. Google changed the game by treating a backlink as a "vote" of some calculable magnitude and created a search product that worked better than their competitors', who were vulnerable to keyword stuffing and other techniques, but it also made a game-able system that spawned an industry to game that system.
On the web that existed when Google launched, Google's algorithm made a lot of sense. In this web, where the majority of users spend the majority of their time on social networking portals, Google's algorithm makes much less sense, and needs a thorough overhaul, not a series of bandages like caffeine, panda, and now 9 to 5.
Before Google won the search wars, SEO was not directly understood to be "rank #1," it was understood to be the combined efforts to make content easily indexed by search engines. Back then title tags, H1's, and even meta tags helped determine how your site would be indexed and thus how it would be ranked. Google changed the game by treating a backlink as a "vote" of some calculable magnitude and created a search product that worked better than their competitors', who were vulnerable to keyword stuffing and other techniques, but it also made a game-able system that spawned an industry to game that system.
On the web that existed when Google launched, Google's algorithm made a lot of sense. In this web, where the majority of users spend the majority of their time on social networking portals, Google's algorithm makes much less sense, and needs a thorough overhaul, not a series of bandages like caffeine, panda, and now 9 to 5.
The only thing that is dead is black hat seo. White hat seo will always be good in the eyes of google. I for one am glad that it is turning out like this, it means less competition for real SEO experts and those willing to sit down and do the research and proper writing. Now the market will not be flooded with all the spam services and lazy people. They can all go back to being full time burger shack workers or panhandlers.
Expertpeon
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These blasts were over 6 months ago, sooooooo nope!
haha you're sooooo naive...
Tons of white hat sites have been hit... tons...
A college friend (Princeton grad and syndicated columnist at the New Yorker) has a personal blog where all he does is post poetry. Mostly stuff he and his NYC friends write that wouldn't be published otherwise. It had grown quite popular among the NYC crowd and he had about 400 fans on facebook.
His traffic dropped by 80% on the 24th and he called me a bit ago to ask what was going on... What's ranking now? Tons of black hat!
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Wow, that sounds bad. I don't know if it is an isolated thing or not. I mean poetry can be a pretty vague type of thing to rank for. For me, my evidence is that zero of my sites were affected, and they have all been done with 100% WH backlinking methods, and their content is all unique and well written.
Expertpeon
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Fantastic news!
You must be in competitive niches!
Note: none of my traffic driving sites in even medium/high comp niches dropped either and all I do is black hat. Of course all of my site's content is hand written and exceptional.
Your point?
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BLIXX
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^Nice.
When Cutts said "or even no search engine optimization at all" I immediately interpreted it as the first official salvo of a major paradigm shift.
I immediately returned in my mind to every engineer I have ever known, how they think, how they work, their minds. 'Beware the parenthetic remark of the engineer' lol.
Part of me would absolutely love to see a shift away from a link-based model; the other part is somewhat apprehensive because the alternative is Social Media/Social Signals. And I can't stand Social Media.
Google is the king of scraping content and dupe content. If Google keeps going the route they our with placing ads everywhere. Someone new will pop up. I've been in online marketing for 16 years now and have seen many things come and go. Google is slowly becoming the new Microsoft.
Jeez buddy, no need to be snide and rude. If you don't get my point then I don't know what to say. I have no use in arguing with angry snide people, I was merely pointing out that the poetry example you gave could have been an isolated incident. Find someone else to stroke your e-peen with.:cat03:
Google cannot distinguish very easily a page without the backlinks. They use that as a guide to its popularity. Allthough they can check where it comes from and possibly decide if its garbage. But you hold up a two equally well written pages to google with no links and one with links....the one with links/backlinks will win.
I have a website that has insane article content and because its a forum, because it has no traffic and because its not well backlinked its no where even near first page. Allthough the few articles it does have they own but as far as searching for that type of forum...its a no go.
Does that mean that they will one day get better at that or start trying to use +1, likes and stuff of that nature. Sure....but when they do we just go there. Anyhow Ive got a heavily seo'd site and its working justttttt fine. In fact just got some more stuff going on with it and its actually improving today and the backlinking isnt all that special. In fact im wondering how far that Ive pushed it that its not doing worse. But the content is all legit and its a great product and is an eccomerce based site with not too much competition...its good for me.
I have a website that has insane article content and because its a forum, because it has no traffic and because its not well backlinked its no where even near first page. Allthough the few articles it does have they own but as far as searching for that type of forum...its a no go.
Does that mean that they will one day get better at that or start trying to use +1, likes and stuff of that nature. Sure....but when they do we just go there. Anyhow Ive got a heavily seo'd site and its working justttttt fine. In fact just got some more stuff going on with it and its actually improving today and the backlinking isnt all that special. In fact im wondering how far that Ive pushed it that its not doing worse. But the content is all legit and its a great product and is an eccomerce based site with not too much competition...its good for me.
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We want people doing white hat search engine optimization (or even no search engine optimization at all) to be free to focus on creating amazing, compelling web sites. As always, we?ll keep our ears open for feedback on ways to iterate and improve our ranking algorithms toward that goal.
Posted by Matt Cutts, Distinguished Engineer
What they are trying to do. They killed my business just in a single day.
My advice: Give us the Google Algorhytm and we take care of it. Fuck off!