Matt Cutts may apparently be stalking BHW
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Frankie4Fingers
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Pretty sure he was kidding.
LakeForest
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Right? I'm so glad this thread has popped up again. It's vital information, and such unexpected news. I'm happy OP took time out of his day to not search, but to post this.
So, OP, you're MC?
partymarty4870
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Who ate all the pies?
Matt did
Matt did
Enchanter
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+1 for your thought (y)
So the video was posted previously, but I think new info has surfaced here such as that 3 Googlers tried to infiltrate the JrVip sections.
Basically the part of Google that would benefit from reading BHW, would be the part that dedupes content after it's stored in Big Table gzipped from googlebot. Once it hits the Map/Reduce phase that separates it by key/value pairs, it's too late.
So what the deduping process entails is matching content against a library of duplicate content hashes, or regular expressions that detect black-hattery. Generally whitespace is ignored, line endings, ect... Googlebot does process Javascript and AJAX, as well as flash, so these are no longer good ways to hide code from Google. Even outputting different content depending on googlebot being in the User-Agent doesn't really work too well because Google has the man power to check manually.
The info that could really hurt other BHW posters is when people post code snippets or HTML or DOM snippets, since Googlers can copy/paste those into it's dedupe library. Merely explaining how something works, can't really hurt a method, because without the implementation, Google is clueless on what regex to implement on it's side to stop it.
So just a heads up, if you have some method that really does make you money with Google, only post the concept and not any actual code or script. If you resell it as a service or as software, Google, or whatever start-up it's targeting will probably wind up getting it and using it to reverse engineer a block. Note that they probably will not pay for it in the process.
Basically the part of Google that would benefit from reading BHW, would be the part that dedupes content after it's stored in Big Table gzipped from googlebot. Once it hits the Map/Reduce phase that separates it by key/value pairs, it's too late.
So what the deduping process entails is matching content against a library of duplicate content hashes, or regular expressions that detect black-hattery. Generally whitespace is ignored, line endings, ect... Googlebot does process Javascript and AJAX, as well as flash, so these are no longer good ways to hide code from Google. Even outputting different content depending on googlebot being in the User-Agent doesn't really work too well because Google has the man power to check manually.
The info that could really hurt other BHW posters is when people post code snippets or HTML or DOM snippets, since Googlers can copy/paste those into it's dedupe library. Merely explaining how something works, can't really hurt a method, because without the implementation, Google is clueless on what regex to implement on it's side to stop it.
So just a heads up, if you have some method that really does make you money with Google, only post the concept and not any actual code or script. If you resell it as a service or as software, Google, or whatever start-up it's targeting will probably wind up getting it and using it to reverse engineer a block. Note that they probably will not pay for it in the process.
Aegroeg
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They probably outsource and hire their own forum spies where bots can't reach. Who knows. But either way they are very powerful and will be watching everything. Probably even have key loggers on some people. I know that is probably highly illegal without consent but hey, its G.
The Web Designer
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Probably he's already noticed this thread via Google Alert.
If that's the case...
Hi Matt!
:cheerlead: :cheerlead: :cheerlead:
If that's the case...
Hi Matt!
:cheerlead: :cheerlead: :cheerlead:
The Web Designer
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Wait, what? :google2:
Furious George
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He has tits on his chest.
srb888
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Matt is dim! Why did he waited so long to say what was obvious? Or was he banned recently from WF? And now that he can't fool their members, he is exposing and ridiculing his own technique -- "Earn Million and 135 Dollars 63 cents Tomorrow Afternoon on Wall Street", only $6.95 for WF members.
Sour grapes, Matt?
Sour grapes, Matt?
Matt is dim! Why did he waited so long to say what was obvious? Or was he banned recently from WF? And now that he can't fool their members, he is exposing and ridiculing his own technique -- "Earn Million and 135 Dollars 63 cents Tomorrow Afternoon on Wall Street", only $6.95 for WF members.
Sour grapes, Matt?
Another concpiracy theory..
Furious George
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He's rocking a lenovo.... he can't be too bright.
LakeForest
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You know,
I honestly hope there are some high level search engine execs in high level exec positions at BHW.
It wouldn't even be infiltration, it's humanization. They see that BHW users aren't the scammers or thieves that we're stereotyped as. And they also see just how much we line their pockets by being pretty much the reason that people can find customers to buy their products online.
They then try to improve their search engines, which helps the internet in general, and when they fail, they see how hard they failed as well as the cost of trying to close all loopholes, which only opens more loopholes.
I think we need to understand that there will always be easy money to be made online, but{*preaching mode activated*} we cannot allow easy methods from '08 to work in '13. Improve all systems, adapt all methods. We got to where we are by doing this, don't get lazy only going for the low lying fruits now. Google's only hope of changing how marketing works, online or off, big or small business, would be to literally change humanity(seriously, EVERYONE does black hat. they found MANY important forums/social network businesses populate their forums and sites with fake users in the beginning, and then sell off to businesses. Everyone does black hat, on and offline. Every-One). Good luck? {*preaching mode de-activated*}
I honestly hope there are some high level search engine execs in high level exec positions at BHW.
It wouldn't even be infiltration, it's humanization. They see that BHW users aren't the scammers or thieves that we're stereotyped as. And they also see just how much we line their pockets by being pretty much the reason that people can find customers to buy their products online.
They then try to improve their search engines, which helps the internet in general, and when they fail, they see how hard they failed as well as the cost of trying to close all loopholes, which only opens more loopholes.
I think we need to understand that there will always be easy money to be made online, but{*preaching mode activated*} we cannot allow easy methods from '08 to work in '13. Improve all systems, adapt all methods. We got to where we are by doing this, don't get lazy only going for the low lying fruits now. Google's only hope of changing how marketing works, online or off, big or small business, would be to literally change humanity(seriously, EVERYONE does black hat. they found MANY important forums/social network businesses populate their forums and sites with fake users in the beginning, and then sell off to businesses. Everyone does black hat, on and offline. Every-One). Good luck? {*preaching mode de-activated*}
B. Friendly
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"The Average Joe" is usually a fucking idiot more concerned with pussy and beer than anything else, and cries like a bitch when he is treated with the contempt he deserves.
On topic: Part of Cutts game is to undermine the legitimacy of black hat methods (particularly if THEY WORK), 1) Because it undermines Google's primary claim to providing the User "relevant search results" and 2) Because it encourages advertisers to use Ad-Words (which need to be paid for constantly, in a constantly competitive market) instead of having long-term organic placement for comparatively less money, and with a more "one-time", "up-front" payment.
You always hear about Google debunking all these evil blackhat methods, but you never hear an explanation as to why people pay for them. They can't ALL be suckers, two-bit rubes getting fleeced by a fast-talking, shuck & jive huckster, can they? Maybe some of those clients pay for SEO because it's cheaper and more effective than ad-words.
thetrustedzone
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i just saw the Corpses , didn't see them before .
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