Massive Direct Scrapebox Blast on Brand New Website

bfellow said:

For this test domain I have not been deindexed. I have been sandboxed in the past but have always been able to get un-sandboxed. It's not as hard as most people make it sound. Sandboxing is not a permanent death.

those and some of the things I am doing if people are interested.

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how long do you get off from sandbox?

Ever thought about using 100% unique content

bennyb said:

I hate to be a party pooper but this tactic is a direct path to de-listing.And quick one too!
I've done it on three autoblog sites . Not on the brand new but on a 2 month old sites which had about 800 pages by the time of blasting.I was blasting for a period of four weeks about 800-1200 comments per day with back links to deep pages. I was on page 1 position 5 for the iphone related keyword before I started but when I blasted I lost about 200 positions right off the bat. From there on sites were only loosing rankings - no gain whatsoever untill all of them got delisted. At different times but all of them went off the charts and I don't mean through the top. They fell through the bottom. Right now they are nowhere to be found . Keep in mind,I am not a noob autoblogger.I have quite a few sites that are doing alright and all of them pretty much alike and using the same backbone.So the SB tactic was to blame.
I kept one site which was visually pleasant and removed other ones so before you jump on the crazy idea of getting page#1 with crazy SB blasts think twice.
Someone obviously smoked some crack and decided to experiment with other's sites , suggesting a possibility of getting #1 with soley sb blasts.

IMHO one ought to be very VERY careful with SB and use it for other pusposes related to SEO other then 100-200 k comment blasts

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Did you continue to blast and add content after losing rankings? if so how long? I think the autoblog thing is a whole nother issue, I have a few hundred ranking myself and I am very careful with them in terms of my linking strategies.

bennyb said:

I hate to be a party pooper but this tactic is a direct path to de-listing.And quick one too!
I've done it on three autoblog sites . Not on the brand new but on a 2 month old sites which had about 800 pages by the time of blasting.I was blasting for a period of four weeks about 800-1200 comments per day with back links to deep pages. I was on page 1 position 5 for the iphone related keyword before I started but when I blasted I lost about 200 positions right off the bat. From there on sites were only loosing rankings - no gain whatsoever untill all of them got delisted. At different times but all of them went off the charts and I don't mean through the top. They fell through the bottom. Right now they are nowhere to be found . Keep in mind,I am not a noob autoblogger.I have quite a few sites that are doing alright and all of them pretty much alike and using the same backbone.So the SB tactic was to blame.
I kept one site which was visually pleasant and removed other ones so before you jump on the crazy idea of getting page#1 with crazy SB blasts think twice.
Someone obviously smoked some crack and decided to experiment with other's sites , suggesting a possibility of getting #1 with soley sb blasts.

IMHO one ought to be very VERY careful with SB and use it for other pusposes related to SEO other then 100-200 k comment blasts

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With all due respect to your own experience, I understand the purpose of this thread to be to SEE WHAT HAPPENS when someone does a 'massive direct scrapebox blast on brand new website".

I for one am delighted that OP is risking a domain/niche to see what happens, and I'm sure that anyone who's trying IM and everyone who has bought SB - myself included - wonders if they should just 'go for it' and blast the living hell out of their money pages.

Google probably has changed since your own experience. Hell, they change daily if my own experience is any indication. This is a real-time clinical trial...using someone's baby!

Many thanks to OP.

bennyb said:

I hate to be a party pooper but this tactic is a direct path to de-listing.And quick one too!
I've done it on three autoblog sites . Not on the brand new but on a 2 month old sites which had about 800 pages by the time of blasting.I was blasting for a period of four weeks about 800-1200 comments per day with back links to deep pages. I was on page 1 position 5 for the iphone related keyword before I started but when I blasted I lost about 200 positions right off the bat. From there on sites were only loosing rankings - no gain whatsoever untill all of them got delisted. At different times but all of them went off the charts and I don't mean through the top. They fell through the bottom. Right now they are nowhere to be found . Keep in mind,I am not a noob autoblogger.I have quite a few sites that are doing alright and all of them pretty much alike and using the same backbone.So the SB tactic was to blame.
I kept one site which was visually pleasant and removed other ones so before you jump on the crazy idea of getting page#1 with crazy SB blasts think twice.
Someone obviously smoked some crack and decided to experiment with other's sites , suggesting a possibility of getting #1 with soley sb blasts.

IMHO one ought to be very VERY careful with SB and use it for other pusposes related to SEO other then 100-200 k comment blasts

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From my experience it's better to target pr>3 blogs with lower outbound links. It's better to target the intitle:"keyword niche" blog posts to comment on.

I schedule 20 blog comments a week and spin comments, anchor texts and website urls.

This applied in time may work and lets you stay under the radar.

Just my 2 cents.

Thanks for all the comments, both for and against. All comments are welcome if they are in the spirit of the thread, which they all have been.

To reiterate, this is purely for testing purposes and to give my experience back to the BHW community. I'm more than happy to risk a domain and the cost of some content so that I as well as all of us can learn. If I lose this domain, I could care less. It's about the knowledge gained.

To touch on a few points from previous comments above:

1) This site is using 100% unique content. While I have never taken a hard look into auto blogs, my personal opinion (purely an opinion, not fact) is that Google would take a hard look at copied content that is suddenly 100x more popular (in terms of back links) than the original and I think that yes that would send you to a de-listing. I think the rules change when the content is completely unique. And I'm not talking spun content, but truly authentic information, which is what Google is searching for.

2) For "how long did it take me to get out of sandbox?" It really depends. Normally 4-6 weeks. As long as 6 months.

3) For getting out of sandbox, you must keep up link velocity and add new content frequently. If you have a brand new site with little traffic from Google but tons of backlinks are being developed, then when Google sandboxes you, in theory from Google's prospective the links and content should continue to be built. But if it drops off right when Google stops sending traffic, I think this is a dead give away that the links are clearly not natural. But if there is not a hiccup in content and links, you will be removed from sandbox and all the content and links you built will count. This is what I have learned from my personal experience. Whether it is fact or not, only Big G will know.

UPDATE:

Just jumped on to the radar for three more keywords.

Here is where I stand on 4 keywords:

Main keyword: Page 1, #5
Sub keyword 1: Page 5, # 7
Sub keyword 2: Page 1, #8
Sub keyword 3: Page 10, #3

Interesting thing about Sub keyword 3, 14,800 local exact match searches, only 3.4MM competing pages, $3.81 CPC in Adwords. This is a keyword that I will track carefully and will probably target this week when I move into deep linking with SB.

Tomorrow I will give final traffic numbers for the week (once I have todays final), but here is a peak as to what has been going on in unique visitors:

4/25: 4
4/26: 4
4/27: 20
4/28: 27
4/29: 52
4/30: 49

Questions and comments are all welcome!

I will also try this. I have a list of 8K blogs from my country, which I am going to post on. Thanks for showing me results can be seen

@Dropdown

Thanks for your enthusiasm behind my idea, but to keep the thread clear and focused, could you provide updates to your experiment in a separate thread? I plan on updating this for a while and if multiple people start chiming in on different experiments, it is going to be really hard for anyone to follow and will not do anyone any good. I'm trying to provide a close to real-time analysis of this single experiment.

If you would like to post questions or comments about my experiment, that is awesome.

Great informative diary so far...extremely interested having used SB and other methods on some of my sites with varying success but never a pure SB driven method.

Can I ask>?

What proxy set-up are you running?

Is the content unique in as much as you are doing this 100% yourself or are you outsourcing any of it?

Great thread...keep it going....

Subscribed - I'm about to launch a new site and as a sb owner would be keen to see how your efforts are rewarded / penalised.

Like you say if it's burns you're only out a few $ and a little time. Good luck.

Thanks for this OP will be following this thread

Is this scrapebox links only or any other type of links?
Are you spinning your anchor or is it exactly the same for all your comments?
How many links indexed by yahoo, Majestic Seo and Google webmaster tool?

Please answer some questions if you can thanks.

IMO this is a great experiment for a number of reasons. First and foremost I see too many people paralyzed by fear about what other people tell them will get them sandboxed or de-indexed. It stops many people from using techniques that really work. I am very curious if this will turn out to be another example of that. This thread really got me to thinking.

I went ahead and purchased a new domain for a competitive niche and am starting to run my own tests as well. I am slightly altering your method, but I won't hijack your thread with my own results and I think one thread is enough. I would be happy to share/compare my results with you via pm as I go along though if your interested.

In the meantime, keep us up to date. We are all anxious to see the results.

I thank you for the generosity of sharing this with all, already learning a lot!!

One concept that I still don't get (new to all) is the mass pinging and rss submission. I understand the task is done to get G to index faster those backlinks, right?

1.- Is there a standar tool/service that is a must use for each tasks? what are they?
2.- which is more effective mass pinging or RSS submission?
3.- You said you hosted the XML lists on diff domain, why did they have only 100 links
each? Can't you just load one page with all your live backlinks for mass pinging?


Keep it coming!
thks

How many unique domains are those 288k pages on?

Great thread, thank you for sharing your results with us. I did a very similar thing with one site, blasted all the autoaprove I had, yahoo indexd a couple thousands links and in 1 month it got to 4th place. A score of 29=medium dificulty keyword, according to serp attacks. Exact mach domain.
I only blasted in 2 days, second blast after a 1 week gap. A lot of links (250k or so)
did not put any adsense on it yet, it was just a test. I can say from this that you can rank high in google just from blog comments but it will take some investing and the rankings in yahoo and bing will not be any near as good.
No sandbox for me, just some minor dance

Thank you for all the follow up comments and questions! I am glad people are finding this enjoyable and will continue to post as long as you all are interested.

I don't have enough time right now to go through all the questions, but I do want to provide a brief update. I'll answer all the questions later this afternoon or evening.

UPDATE:

The site has started to dance a little bit. Main keyword has bounced between #3 and #18 over the last 18 hours or so. My secondary keywords have bounced even more violently, from first page to non-existent and back again.

Google Webmaster Tools isn't showing any backlinks yet. Yahoo Site Explorer just started showing its first links this morning. It's currently at 2,196 backlinks and climbing. Will check again this evening.

As far as revenue, I've already made my money back from the domain name so worst case scenario now is I break even and learn, which I think puts me in the positive.

Will address all questions later tonight when I can! Thanks!

Who did you buy the site from? I don't think you mentioned that.

And this is some great information, thanks given for the share.

hey man can can you tell us how much adsense money have you earned with this site ? show us a screenshoot ? Thanks

Just thought I'd chime in and say that this thread has engrossed me.

I have only just purchased Scrapebox myself (..oh where have I been!) and of course I am looking for examples, tips and techniques on how to best utilize this great tool.

Personally speaking, since your site has been built on proper foundations such as proper SEO and Unique text. I would be willing to wager that once this Google dance is over with, you will find your site ranking slightly higher.

Just my opinion and its one thread I will follow closely. Good Luck!.