Is China lying about their Coronavirus cases?

One thing though, the draconian measures must have done the trick ...they waited out any incubating cases until it was all clear. Its possible the data from china is off by plus or minus 10% but I think due to their draconian measures which is very hard to implement in any other non communist country, they actually brought the epidemic under control. Nevertheless, the same communism trampled on early warning information that could have saved other countries. By censoring early negative reports, valuable time was lost. Perhaps its with this sense of responsibility that china is now trying to help other countries combat the virus. Sad really...preventable and sad.

I don't think they are 100% lying. The virus also hit them hard with them hard.
What I am glad for its now people will pay more attention to the product made from their country and not seek only the cheapest one from China.

I'm not Chinese and I don't like the state control or the total lack of environmental rules.. but consider this
What if China are actually reporting the death rate accurately ?
In the last 24 hours there's been a bit of controversy over how Italy and Spain are reporting COVID19 deaths.
It turns out that if a person dies and has been tested for C19 and found to be infected either before or after dying, their death is recorded as a C19 death.
But they could have died of a heart attack, been A symptomatic for C19.. yet its still recorded as a C19 death.. that makes no sense.
A person can have both seasonal flu and C19, so could have died from normal flu during the seasonal flu peak which is winter and then tested positive for C19 and reported as a C19 death.
What if the Chinese followed the standard corona's guidelines ? Reported the actual cause of death with added complications where applicable?
I'm not saying China is being totally truthful and I reckon they have made the most of the epidemic to push their state socialist world agenda, but what if they simply have done the correct reporting and they have got C19 under control ?
What if China are looking at the rest of the world, scratching their godless marxist heads and thinking .. "what the fuck is everyone doing?" and "btw we will buy up trillions of dollars of falling stock and shares whilst the rest of the world believe we are a bunch of bat shagging lying bastards and make a killing" ?

Actually its not our business whether they lie about their numbers or not. The Chinese population should care about it, because they are the ones who might suffer from it.

Right now most of the countries have lots of trouble. Especially western countries. Not only because of the virus and the health system, but also the economy. This will be the worse. Many people will lose their jobs, their homes, their existence. Many people might suicide or becoming mentality ill. What makes me worry is when people are desperate, they might do something they wouldn't normally do.

Lets not care about whether China lied or not. Of course they might do that, but will it change anything for us? Do you guys think they will be held responsible? Or do you think there will be any consequences within China? I don't think so.

I dunno bout the lying part but its definitely hurtin business like helllll.

ATuringtest said:

It turns out that if a person dies and has been tested for C19 and found to be infected either before or after dying, their death is recorded as a C19 death.
But they could have died of a heart attack, been A symptomatic for C19.. yet its still recorded as a C19 death.. that makes no sense.
A person can have both seasonal flu and C19, so could have died from normal flu during the seasonal flu peak which is winter and then tested positive for C19 and reported as a C19 death.

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Exactly same in Germany! They even said it in the press conference a few weeks ago. This means the mortality rate is much higher, than it actually is. Are the people dying BECAUSE of the virus or are they dying WITH the virus? This is the main question.
Then there is one other thing playing into this: Most people won't have symptoms or just slight symptoms. These people won't go to hospital. They won't get tested.

Result: less infected people on paper than there actually are + people count as corona death, even if they didnt die from it = high mortality rate

nakamura said:

Exactly same in Germany! They even said it in the press conference a few weeks ago. This means the mortality rate is much higher, than it actually is. Are the people dying BECAUSE of the virus or are they dying WITH the virus? This is the main question.
Then there is one other thing playing into this: Most people won't have symptoms or just slight symptoms. These people won't go to hospital. They won't get tested.

Result: less infected people on paper than there actually are + people count as corona death, even if they didnt die from it = high mortality rate

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Exactly u summed it up perfectly "Are the people dying BECAUSE of the virus or are they dying WITH the virus?"

They're 100% lying

Woa, I'm not a fan of China but people here act like goverments lying is something strange to them.

The hole Covid-19 is a bit wierd.
Whether China started an outbreak, is covering up information about it.
Is not what I’m concerned about.

What I’m am concerned about is how all of the governments are printing massive amounts of money and how fast the media is adopting this breaking news story.

The media also quickly forgot about how Iran was threatening the US and not a thing about NATO still carrying out an exercise? I guess the military has some sort of immunity.

There’s a lot of sketchy stuff going on.
Stocks are falling, but look like the big companies will survive. Not saying that I’m a saint. I took the business package from the Danish government as well, so that the employees could keep their job.

But I still can figure out what there really is going on.

And oh, did you know that the Director-General
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tedros_Adhanom is the first director-general who is not a medical doctor and also is a member of the TPLF party in Ethiopia.

draco02 said:

Do you think china covers everything up?

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Do you have a doubt about this?

America the first real republic with truth and freedom of speech and they are lying like when they say 6% unemployment or whatever lie they have before the virus imagine the Chinese they are lying even more then the American's. So I think that everyone is lying it's just how much they can lie. I heard one of those American congressmen said I wish we can run our country like the Chinese can they are very "efficient".

They covered up how bad it was. In the future any outbreaks need to be reported to a global task force immediately and not by WHO, that dropped the ball big time on this. All nations must cooperate and take serious from the beginning, including China and North Korea every country or this can and certainly will happen again.

augustwu said:

HOW the hell ,you guys never come to China say we are lying,shit
How you guys never have my own factory's face mask then say it's low quality,shit again
I can't believe western people racial with china
I think the virus data may be wrong,but it's almost with the fact, It will
be a bit bigger since some people do not include at the beginning when the virus begin
But it won't infect the fact,
I AM not brainwashing by the government
In china, there is a voice the western will be hurt by your arrogant
You have more than one month to arrange, but western countries do nothing !!!
and your country's leader support going up.
At the begging of February, all the people stop out even though it's a new year,
all of mine and my neighbors
Also currently, the government use the mobile data to track users
HOW the hell, it's hidden 8 million mobile user data!!!
YOU are so hostility with the action we have done and our products even use it then say it's shit
What the hell, western people so Jealousy and arrogance
You do nothing when the virus begins just watch and laughing
Now you guys say we are lying

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https://twitter.com/TruthAbtChina

I Think China is a not a good example in the case of human rights, so yeah, no human right, no moral, lot's of lying

Haven't read the whole thread ... I might in times xD

But just stop spitting on china ... Do you really think your government is doing better ? States are just doing what they feel the best for their population but are clearly lying (not a question of democracy).

By reading BHW threads about covid I'm just laughing (ironically) but each country as a different POV about this pandemy ... Who is right, who is wrong ... Sadly, I don't know neither I know what I should think about that :/

But medias and marketers (like us or not) are taking part of this and it's really confusing...

I'm French and all I can say is (if all countries are behaving like us) each countries are underestimating cases :

I got many friends who have been infected and have never been screened, fact is, by now in Europe, Germany is the only country taking things seriously with a systematic screening (don't know if I'm using the good words as I had to use google translate).

The only thing I can say is France is clearly underestimating facts as only "serious" cases (IE : people going to hospital and being screened) are recorded...

The majority of people consulting, if they're not considered as "population at risk" aren't screened and just have to stay home.

Sad shit and fake stats (almost for France but I guess we aren't the only ones) ...

Off topic but Africa is, by now, quite "safe", I hope this will last, but as they haven't got our medical support I'm clearly fearing a high mortality rate if covid stikes population ... :/

amandine said:

xD

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There are still people using ecks dee?

Firstly the media usually has no important news and suddenly every news outlet is running more than a dozen headlines around there.

that;s one of the main features of communism, they can say anything and nobody can argue

In all fairness, and trying not to act as a devil's advocate here: I would like to say that once it comes to light that the reason of mass sickens and compounding demises is a result of an airborne virus spread by humans, the most appropriate measure is to quarantine, self isolation and imposed isolation. We have somany examples in front of us evidencing the fact that political governance ( wherever ) who didn't take this seriously and didn't impose forced isolation are facing the most widespread affect of COVID-19.

China was fast to act on it and they SEEM to have arrested the problem in good time because of their super-affective administrative measures. Let us all appreciate that forced isolation measures regardless of their political system or high-handed governance. The bottomline is that it SEEMS to have worked. Need of the hour everywhere is, similar action.