Inboxing Hotmail with a fresh SMTP

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Hi,

I want our HTML emails (with a link inside the body of the HTML) to go in inbox for Hotmail from a fresh SMTP with new IP + new domain.
We have already done all technical stuff : DKIM / SPF configuration + SNDS + JMRP subscription.
We can provide VPS access + new domain + new IP or you can use some existing SMTP which has never been used if you prefer.

Our understanding is that Hotmail send in Junk folder when the IP has no pre-existing reputation.
The goal is to have a method to be in inbox with a new IP without having to build a reputation.

Please reply only if you know well delivrability matters & inboxing methods.

Thanks for your advises or business proposals.
 
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There really is no way to inbox hotmail without building some type of decent ip rep.

Sorry but there really isn't any shortcuts here.
 
--> sumax : we have optin databases with low spam complaint rate from 500 emails / day till 1M emails / day; we want to find a way to warm up a dedicated IP for our clients ; so our clients can start sending emails in inbox from their dedicated IP emails when we deliver the IP. If the database is good, client emails will remain in inbox ; if his database is not good, client emails will move in junk. our biggest concern is to start in inbox with a fresh SMTP.
--> fun4uoc : thanks. how to build some reputation ? can we have many hotmail accounts and send emails to them and click / open / non-spam button the email ? it should build the reputation, don't you think ? any other views ?
 
mailerforall said:
--> fun4uoc : thanks. how to build some reputation ? can we have many hotmail accounts and send emails to them and click / open / non-spam button the email ? it should build the reputation, don't you think ? any other views ?
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The only way to build good rep is to mail with a low hardbounce and complaint rate.

It doesn't just have to be to hotmail accounts.
 
mailerforall said:
--> fun4uoc : thanks. how to build some reputation ? can we have many hotmail accounts and send emails to them and click / open / non-spam button the email ? it should build the reputation, don't you think ? any other views ?
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Yup, with many hotmail accounts+forwarding and some tweaks I think you can achieve a good IP reputation.
 
Thanks for the article fun4oc, my advice was bad then... However i think if you stay under a certain number of emails account, you would still be under the radar, as I am sure many people are doing this trick.
 
schwarpitz said:
Thanks for the article fun4oc, my advice was bad then... However i think if you stay under a certain number of emails account, you would still be under the radar, as I am sure many people are doing this trick.
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Yeah, the only issue is something like that really wont be effective on a small scale.

Best just to mail to very clean lists, and build ip rep the right way.

It pays off in the end.
 
fun4uoc said:
The only way to build good rep is to mail with a low hardbounce and complaint rate.

It doesn't just have to be to hotmail accounts.
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Hi, I am new here and I am looking to diversify the current mailing solution I have.

Currently I am sending 7m mails once a month but I would like to spread the load between few solutions (providers).

Any help will be appreciated .
 
"Best just to mail to very clean lists, and build ip rep the right way. "
--> fun4uoc
yes ... but it means that during the warmup phase (several weeks), all emails will go in spam ; this is commercially not acceptable for a client which is having a healthy list.

if you start doing spamming with an IP with good reputation, your emails will land in junk folder very quickly ...

you are mentioning a lawsuit started in 2003 ... 10 years back ... Hotmail technologies had improved a lot since that time. I am pretty sure you can not use the same trick now.

--> andanbg
We are running the emailing solution mailinblue
we are working with marketers and we would be pleased to help you.
 
mailerforall said:
"Best just to mail to very clean lists, and build ip rep the right way. "
--> fun4uoc
yes ... but it means that during the warmup phase (several weeks), all emails will go in spam ; this is commercially not acceptable for a client which is having a healthy list.
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REALLY, ALL emails will go to spam???

All I have to say is lol!!!!!

The warm up phase is all about the speed at which you deliver to the majors, and knowing when you can increase the hourly rate. (Hint) They are not all the same.
 
"REALLY, ALL emails will go to spam???"

for hotmail, yes ... that is why I wanted to get some feedback from the community about any particular trick to avoid being in spam before the ramping up.

for yahoo and gmail, this is not the case.

of course increasing the hourly rate slowly matters and is important to be in inbox but the problem remains the same : at the starting, all emails will go in spam. for hotmail, no reputation = bad reputation

if you have any idea how to avoid it, please share it with us ; I think many people will love to know your solution :)
 
mailerforall said:
" for hotmail, no reputation = bad reputation
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[COUGH]Bullshit[/COUGH]

There are alot of other factors at play, one of those being the ip neighborhood.

Other than that, this is something I would NOT discuss in an open forum.
 
HMMM are to many things about how to send inbox(emails,unsolicited emails,spam) today.. hotmail,gmail,yahoo have some great filters...so I told what you must to know.

1. Use your ONLY scripts/softwares to mass emails, DO NOT use PUBLIC softwares like Advanced Mass Sender (AMS 4.3) ; Something with new "headers" in the tool.
2. Use a machine with a clear IP(you can check on http://mxtoolbox.com) + SMTP server with a clear IP.
3. Your email list must have minimum 70% alive mails and from many domains, DO NOT try to send mails at the same domain(you make flood and the webmail mark your IP like spammer).
4. Your letter must have a clear code, don't use words like "Bank, PayPal, Craiglist"), in the same time with no more content, only what is important and low possibile you can write.
5. DO NOT put anchor text "click here" , "following this link" for the link... try to paste the link name for example: http://www.google.com or make another anchor text (IF you have only text in the content without link the mail send must go to inbox 90%)
6. Send maximum 2000-3000 mails/h.
7. Put at "From Name" settings the word "Support" (you can create from your hosting the mailbox [email protected] with same word "Support") , put at "From Email" [email protected] , DO NOT use reply section because the webmails marks your message like SPAM , use at Email Subject 4-8 words.
8. DO NOT use pictures!!! Only one, the logo from your business/company.(If you can't use is much better.)
9. Type of mail send chose HTML CODE + TEXT CODE , this is VERY important all webmails accept messages to inbox only have this option selected!

That's all I think... maybe I forgot something but these are most important things.
 
jsmith250 said:
HMMM are to many things about how to send inbox(emails,unsolicited emails,spam) today.. hotmail,gmail,yahoo have some great filters...so I told what you must to know.

1. Use your ONLY scripts/softwares to mass emails, DO NOT use PUBLIC softwares like Advanced Mass Sender (AMS 4.3) ; Something with new "headers" in the tool.
2. Use a machine with a clear IP(you can check on + SMTP server with a clear IP.
3. Your email list must have minimum 70% alive mails and from many domains, DO NOT try to send mails at the same domain(you make flood and the webmail mark your IP like spammer).
4. Your letter must have a clear code, don't use words like "Bank, PayPal, Craiglist"), in the same time with no more content, only what is important and low possibile you can write.
5. DO NOT put anchor text "click here" , "following this link" for the link... try to paste the link name for example: or make another anchor text (IF you have only text in the content without link the mail send must go to inbox 90%)
6. Send maximum 2000-3000 mails/h.
7. Put at "From Name" settings the word "Support" (you can create from your hosting the mailbox with same word "Support") , put at "From Email" , DO NOT use reply section because the webmails marks your message like SPAM , use at Email Subject 4-8 words.
8. DO NOT use pictures!!! Only one, the logo from your business/company.(If you can't use is much better.)
9. Type of mail send chose HTML CODE + TEXT CODE , this is VERY important all webmails accept messages to inbox only have this option selected!

That's all I think... maybe I forgot something but these are most important things.
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jsmith250, in your experience how long would you say it takes to warm up a cold ip? I'm sending 1000 mails a day (100/h) with no spam words or links but are getting about 30% soft bounce. Bouth subject and content are spun with the best spinner with carefully selected relevant words. My setup is within your guide lines above but I'm a little worried. I've been at it for 6 days now and are worried that the soft bounce rate are hurting my ip. Should I keep at it and expect the bounce rate to drop? My ESP told me that this is a 30-60 day strategy. Any additional advice would be highly appreciated.

Regards
 
Hi , there is no perfect way to get inbox with hotmail even if your ips are new .. important is to build reputation with hotmail

did you check email header with hotmail ? Aunthentications are ok ?

What you have to do is send mails to clean list with clean contents .. content should not contain spam keywords also you have to focus on you email subject .. follow warm up process ..

you have to increase volume every 3rd day and also don't forget to maintain your daily volume ,, otherwise you will get error " unexpected change in volume" and its really very important to build reputation

manage bounce and unsubscribers properly
 
I have no problem in inboxing hotmail, well if you have a clean set up and everything in place may be no need to worry!
 
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