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[HELP] Facebook Automation : Accounts And Proxies

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  1. alvin.orrt

    alvin.orrt Regular Member

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    I've done some facebook marketing but right now i want to start doing some automation - looking to get 100 accounts or so (will start with 20 tho). I'll be using massplanner or face dominator - will try them both.

    My questions :

    1) if i won't be spamming - let's say with 100 account i'll be posting 100 posts per day (so 1 post per account per day) will i need proxies?
    2) if i'll be spamming (sort of) - 30 posts per day per account - will i need a separate proxy for each account or something like 1 proxy for 2 or 4 accounts will be ok?
    3) do i need special proxies (i'll be using private ones, but i know there are proxies for twitter, for craigslist, etc) - are there special proxies for facebook?
    4) if proxies are really important - i'm buying them monthly - at the end of the month, i usually get different proxies - if i switch the proxy associated to an account once per month, will that be a problem (proxies are usually from different countries) ?
    5) what's more important - not spamming or getting a separate proxy per account - in order to keep the accounts safe?
    6) can i use 10-20 accounts without proxies (if i'm not spamming) ?

    Any other tips on how to use bulk accounts and keep them safe are appreciated.
     
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    1) You cannot use 100 accounts without proxies, you'll get banned very quickly!
    2) I proxy per account is the safest, some people go up to 4, but that makes the risk a bit higher. Well-developed accounts should be more valuable than the price of a proxy for you to risk them by savings of that kind.
    3) It really depends on the quality of your provider. All kinds of proxies seem to work, sometimes the ones that are especially for Facebook are safer, sometimes they are just a way to charge you a bit more.
    4) Changing proxies on monthly basis is not a good idea, especially if the proxies change the country as well. And change will happen on the same day for all accounts, so this would be what you call a footprint.
    5) Both, but you should start with the proxies and then rev up the "spam" on a few accounts and see if they survive. You should also mix the spamming with human like behavior which will make your bots more difficult to detect.
    6) 10-20 would most probably still be way too many to sustain long term. It will probably burn quite quickly in the short term actually.
     
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    use a program.
    iPrograms that use the graph api is safe.
    'buffer' or 'post2x' or 'massplanner'
     
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    Using a program that exlusively utilizes the Facebook graph API is like asking to get banned in the long run.

    Also, get your facts straight. Mass planner does NOT use the graph api...
     
  5. alvin.orrt

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    Yup, with multiple accounts FB Graph is useless...
     
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    Well, the reason i'm asking all these questions : 2 days ago i purchased 10 fb accounts - fresh accounts, phone verified - i randomly checked 2 of them (by logging in with a private browser - they worked fine). I have some proxies, quite a few of them, so i added the accounts and the proxies to a fb automation software - when it started checking the accounts, a few of them died (including the ones that were working from the start, the ones i tested). 2nd day, a bunch of other accounts died as well - so right now i'm left with just 1 working account.

    I did no posting, no joining, no nothing - no activity at all - i just verified the accounts (with a private proxy for each account added in the software) and when i verified them the 2nd day they were dead, all but one.

    Don't know what's the cause, but before i move further with this, i'm hoping to find out...
     
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    1) No you don't need proxies, just use a residential line with dynamic IP setup and change the IP every time you use another account (or every 2-3 accounts).
    2) Yes you will need proxies, if money isn't that much of an issue, get 1 IP per account. But let me break your bubble right there, that unless your accounts are ID verified or been active/aged for quite some time (at the very least a few months), you won't be able to post in 30 groups per day per account, you will get temporarily (or even permanently depending on reports on your posts from users) banned as soon as you reach a double-digit number of posts and in most cases sooner than that. And I highlighted active/aged, because by that, I mean accounts that have been performing manual actions for sometime every day. Aged accounts that have been sitting ducks don't matter shit.

    3) There are no "special" proxies lol... A proxy is simply a datacenter IP address. Providers usually label them because of 3 reasons:
    a) The IP-s have not been used before or are not blacklisted by that service (for e.g. Twitter, Facebook, etc...)
    b) The providers themselves have restricted access to only some services for their IP-s. There are only a few providers that do this though, so it's not so common.
    c) It's just a marketing trick to make you pay more money per proxy.
    Just ask your provider for proxies that are not blacklisted by Facebook and you will be fine.

    4) Yes that will be a big problem and headache. When you ask your provider for "virgin" FB proxies (not blacklisted, see point 3 above), make sure you also ask him to provide you stable proxies that will not change at the end of the month, preferably you need the SAME proxies for as long as you are using the accounts or until they get banned.

    5) Not spamming of course. I'm one of very few people that goes against the crowd and don't use proxies in most of my accounts (I think Inception_AC does the same), but then again, I know perfectly what the fuck I am doing. If you are a newbie and have no idea at all about FB anti-spam algorithms, IP-s and such stuff, just get proxies, it will be easier and the money you will make will be much more than the cost of the proxy which is insignificant.
    However, with or without proxies, not spamming is the KEY to make money on Facebook. No proxy in the world will help you if you spam like an ape.

    6) It's the same question as #1. Also, share more information on what exactly you consider "spamming", as I'm afraid your perception of spamming and mine are very different. Good luck!
     
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    By dead, you mean they got a re-verification? If so, which one?
    I think, 99% it's the proxies' fault. See my reply above and get IP-s that have not been blacklisted before, or even better, never before used on FB.
     
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    @ thunderelvi

    By dead i mean asking for re-verification (8 of them, and 1 of them is asking for ID verification), asking for a confirmation code via phone - the seller i purchased the accounts from can't help me out with these codes, so if this will happen in the future (and just that code is what's needed to fix the accounts) i would rather buy some sim cards and verify the accounts myself.

    I would rather not use proxies coz i don't know where i can't find virgin proxies that are also stable - i know there are a lot of proxy providers out there, i tested quite a lot of them, but there's no one i can actually trust.

    Regarding spamming - i'm just talking about a sheer number of shares / posts per day - like 30 posts per account per day - they will be quality posts, won't be duplicates, if there will be links involved there will be to reputable sites (like reddit or imgur or whatever). I won't be posting links to CPA offers or any kind of affiliate stuff, i'm just trying to promote some websites (legitimate businesses). So probably one of these 30 posts will be about the websites i'm tying to promote, the rest will link to other high authority sites.

    You say you're not using proxies, that's my goal as well.
    How many accounts are you running without proxies?
    If i can get ID verified accounts (yes, i can get them), will they be safe, even if they are new?
    Any place i can buy some of them active and aged accounts?

    I'm just trying to figure out how to scale this and which is the best way to go : more accounts and fewer posts per account (fresh accounts, cheaper ones, maybe even proxies - but that's an issue, finding good ones) or fewer accounts (either old and active or ID verified ones) and more posts per account. From your experience, what's the best way to spend $100 (just for testing) and get the best results (and lasting accounts, that's my goal here, not to get them banned - to sort of "establish" them, grow them, start posting slowly and in time grow the number of accounts i'm using). So what do you think i can get for $100 ?
     
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    That's exactly what I have recommended people to do for a very long time here - buy sim cards and verify them yourself. Yes, you are right, only the code is needed and you will get back access to your account. Sometimes, accounts that you buy from sellers will hit a phone verification straight away as soon as you log in them (with or without proxy it doesn't matter), because the IP/device/fingerprints that the account was last accessed (the IP the seller used) is totally different from the IP you are accessing it from (especially if the subnets or countries are different). Facebook tracks this and it's also a security measure in case your account gets stolen and someone else accesses it.

    So, when you buy accounts, make sure you ask the seller that if there are any problems (re-verifications) of this kind, they can provide you with a backup solution, either another account, verification codes, etc... If they don't, don't buy from them, otherwise you will waste your money if by any chance you get a re-verification roadblock. And in case you don't, as soon as you login, remove the number and input yours instead, so yeah, you have to buy sim cards locally or on Ebay, but don't worry, if you search deep enough, you can find really cheap ones ($1-3 each).

    I recommend you create accounts yourself, verify them with sim cards and age them up slowly yourself - it's the best way to go through with this method. Not only you don't have the headache of hunting down sellers, talking to them, finding reliable ones, etc... but also you will get re-verification roadblocks again later on when you start your marketing campaigns, it's inevitable. If you don't own the numbers, your accounts may be lost at any time, because you don't have access to the numbers and if the sellers don't as well or lose access or the numbers expire, you're screwed!

    Regarding proxies, you have 2 viable options:
    1) Use the marketplace here in BHW - do as I said and ask the sellers BEFORE you buy proxies. Only go forward purchasing them if you get a green light that they are good to go on FB. Ask for replacement if they somehow fuck up and give you dead ones (sometimes it happens, it's not their fault). Check the BST-s, there are plenty of providers there, I'm sure you will find someone.
    2) Use your residential home line if you have one and if your IP is dynamic. I understand it's a pain in the ass especially if your line sucks and has slow speed, you are on Mac, you have to restart the router every now and then, etc... But it's a good option if you aren't making any money and just starting out.

    I'm running quite a lot of accounts without proxies. I suggest when you start out, you only run a few, make money from them and re-invest in buying proxies later for each account, especially if option 2 above is not viable for you and you have to use a VPS. Remember, VPS-s run on datacenters and they can only use dedicated static IP-s (these IP-s are actually the proxies you buy), not dynamic ones. So, you are gonna need proxies for sure if you can't make use of your home connection.

    As for ID verified accounts, if you can get them, it's gonna be the best thing you will ever do. At the moment, they are the safest and you can post as much as you want, unless you get a lot of reports on your posts, but to be honest, that is just a hunch that you might get in trouble, because I've never had an ID verified account blocked, but then again my posts are quality and don't get reported, on the contrary they get liked/shared/commented a lot.

    Again, I have no experience with new ID verified accounts, because the ones that I can get my hands on are from real people and have been used for years (some of them since 2008). But, I think (again just a hunch) in my opinion, you shouldn't start mass posting in the first day even though the accounts are ID verified, just slowly increase the number of posts and by the end of the month, you will be able to post a ton of posts (above 30 that your initial goal is) every day without problems. Also, I have no idea where you can buy ID verified accounts, I get them from people that I know in real life. To my knowledge, there are no providers that sell them, at least here in BHW and most of other forums I am part of. But if you know any source, even if the ID verified accounts are new, I would appreciate it if you told me (PM me if you don't want the info to be public).

    Regarding spamming, as I mentioned above, you won't be able to do that many posts per day if your accounts are new, so keep it low at first and slowly add up. Other than that, you seem to get the idea of posting quality stuff (make sure the posts are engaging as well for extra free traffic from shares), so kudos for that! However, I don't get why you need to post 29 "filler" posts and 1 with your website?!

    Yes, it's a very good idea to be active on the groups and post other useful (or funny wherever it applies) stuff except your promotion posts, but 29 is overkill and actually hurts you, it doesn't help you. I really do suggest you are active and post other useful stuff in the group except promoting your websites, because you will get more reputation and won't come off as a spammer, but keep it a low number - this way you don't "piss off" the anti-spam filters and still get good engagement from the groups. Other than that, you are on the right track to posting the right way!

    In order to scale this, DEFINITELY go with more accounts and fewer posts per account per day, BUT age/warm them up first before you start posting at all. An exception is of course ID verified accounts as I mentioned above, and the older and more active they are, the better. To better spend that $100 and give you recommendations, I need to know whether you are going to use a bot or do things manually and if you are going to use a VPS or handle things with your home connection.

    P.S. Holy shit this is one hell of a post I wrote, I didn't realize it got this big lol, probably deserves its own thread :D
     
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    Thanks for your in depth reply, i really appreciate it, it kinda confirms some of the things i knew and it should be a great read for everyone here at bhw.

    In terms of setting up, i'll use my home connection - yes, i have a dynamic ip as well (it changes once a day automatically - but i can force changes whenever i want). I will definitely use automation (massplanner or facedominator) so i can scale this up if it works. And i have an extra computer which i use for my seo tools so i can use it to run massplanner or fd without any problems.
     
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    Thanks for your kind words, glad to know the long reply I wrote is appreciated, as I'm usually too lazy to write so many words :D
    Alright then, with $100, I would recommend you do the following:
    1) Create FB accounts yourself (free) - start with 10, if you are going to do things manually at first.
    2) Buy sim cards and verify the accounts ($10) - best option would be to get $1 cards, which is doable.
    3) Proxies - not needed, just get a new IP every time you use a different account (or every 2-3 accounts, experiment a bit with this).
    4) Automation software - not needed, do things manually at first, especially if you don't have any experience what niche works and what doesn't in FB. It will be a pain in the ass, but push yourself forward and think that after a while, you will automate almost everything and it will be well worth it.
    5) Take care of browser fingerprinting when doing things manually, that matters 10x more than IP-s.
    6) As you can see, the cost is pretty low to start, only sim cards cost. You can create more accounts and get more cards, but you won't be able to keep up with doing things manually as you will go crazy working 10 hours doing repetitive shit on FB. So, start slow, save 70-80% of the money, make a couple hundred more dollars and then scale up with software.

    After you get a couple hundred dollars, then scale up like this:
    1) Purchase an automation software. MP is the best really, it will cost you $10/month and the modules that you will need for FB will cost you $100 once only (and you can use them forever without recurring costs as long as you have a $10/month subscription). Make sure you buy them all at once, because in that case you get a 40% discount, otherwise it would cost you $170 to purchase them 1 by 1.
    2) Scale up to more accounts and more cards, because MP will do everything for you in terms of posting, handling browser fingerprints, doing manual actions, etc... You need to learn first how to handle the bot, but it won't take you more than a couple days really.
    3) Buy proxies for each account, because since MP will handle everything, you can't really control the IP-s anymore. MP doesn't have any in-built module to change your IP every time it does stuff with a different account, so you have to assign proxies to each account. On average, you will spend $1-2/account/month on proxies.
    4) Optional - move everything over to a VPS if you want. Cost varies depending on how many resources you need (between $10 and $50 per month on average).

    You will also have other costs, such as:
    1) Hosting - start with SSD shared (approx. $6-10/month) and if you start getting a shit ton of traffic, switch to a Linux VPS ($10-20/month is enough).
    2) Domains - if you use coupons on different hosts with different credit/debit cards, you can get a certain number of domains for $1/each/year. Otherwise, on average it will cost you $8-10/domain/year.
    3) Theme (if you use WP) - $40-60 one-time fee, but you can get most themes for free right here on BHW.
     
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    Thanks man for another very detailed and helpful reply. Here's how the situation is standing :
    - money is not a huge issue, i can definitely invest more than $100 into this for start
    - the vps server i have right now (with my current setup) was able to take 40k unique visitors yesterday without a problem
    - i have tons of websites and domains, so again that's no problem
    - i'm not doing this to make a quick and easy buck, i'm doing it to drive traffic to my new and established sites (i'm not doing any cpa or stuff like that) or client's websites
    - automation software - tried and tested facedominator and mp - i'm pretty familiar with both, the cost for any of them should not be a problem

    Browser fingerprinting : i'm using firefox portable and always cleaning cache and cookies - should i be doing more (i can set it to use a different user agent every time)
    Right now we're 3 people on facebook on the same IP using about 7-8 different accounts and everything is still ok (all the accounts are old, active and phone verified).

    What i would like is :
    - to buy some goooood proxies to use on MP - or would you suggest using 10 accounts (aged and active) with no proxies ?
    - to buy some good accounts (aged and active) so i don't have to create them (and take care of everything myself) - if i want to scale, i won't have the time to create the accounts...
     
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    I'm definitely not new to this stuff, but the experience you shared was actually quite relevant and I'm sure it's appreciated by more people than just the OP. I especially liked the fact that you are not using proxies.
     
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    Thank you very much. I've learned a lot from your discussion. I read a lot valuable threads here but I think this is the top one.

    I have questions:
    1. How do you find good group to join by manual?
    2. How do you make good content to post because I think we are not able to create good unique content for 10+ accounts. I assume I will post 3 times per day per account per group.

    example: we have 10 accounts, 80 groups per account. then we have 10*3*80 unique contents per day = 2400 contents

    Please help me.
     
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    It looks like you are one step ahead of the majority of people who try this method for the first time. With money not being that much of an issue, having VPS/domains/websites and an automation software already, I think you are pretty much set. Regarding browser fingerprinting, if you use MP, you don't need to worry about it, as the developers have already done that job for you pretty well. I have used FD only for a couple things (scraping mostly), so I don't know what to say about that software.

    Manually, use a new instance of firefox portable or a new persona in Chrome for each account, don't ever clear cache & cookies again (unless you are really running low on HDD space) and use a few different user agents for the accounts (use the most popular ones). It's a pain in the ass, so I really suggest you use MP, as you don't need to do anything besides adding the account login details in the software.

    Regarding proxies, if you will use a VPS to run the automation software along with the accounts, then you definitely need them. Otherwise, you don't, unless you are running A LOT of accounts. Just make sure you use the accounts properly - do manual actions, don't post spam & don't get reported, and IP-s won't really be an issue to focus on.

    Regarding accounts, if you find a good supplier, let me know as well. The way I determine what an "aged", a.k.a "active" account really looks like doesn't fit well with every seller I have tried in the past, hence why I gave up and starting aging my own accounts, it was easier and 100% quality that way.

    1. 2 options: you scrape them by searching multiple keywords or by using grid search.
    2. If by content you mean the article on your website, you don't need a unique version for each website/link, just duplicate the entire site. If you mean lead-ins, you spin the posts as much as you can on paragraph & sentence level (and word level where it makes sense without screwing it up) and you also spin the links/websites/images in your post. Also, post once per day in the groups, 3 times is a lot and you will get red flags soon unless you use different niches or spin hard the lead-ins and especially links.
     
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    This thread is great and contains valuable information. I have another question, if i create more accounts with sim cards. can i add same credit card to all these new accounts? because i only have one credit card, plus one paypal. please help me, thank you mate
     
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    I'm sure it's appreciated by more people than just the OP.
     
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    1- Yes, you will need proxies. 1 account/proxy (make sure you get private proxies)
    2- If the accounts are new, posting 30 times/account will get you banned. Start with 1-2 posts in the first week, after that scale it up to max 5. After couple of weeks go with max. 10 posts/account
    3- Proxies for instagram, proxies for twitter, proxies for blabla are sh*t. They are just private proxies (marketing stuff). Go for private proxies, that's all
    4- Keep the same proxies. I recommend if the account get banned to change that proxy. Only then!
    5- Both. Do not spam and get separate proxy for each account
    6- You can try. But from my experience those accounts get banned quick.

    PS: Get a high end VPS. Massplanner with 100 accounts use a lot of resources. I recommend minimum 12gb RAM

    Keep it up and good luck mate!
     
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    Since you have already done a bit of FB marketing, you should have already know the potential of the platform.

    In fact, I myself am running 72 accounts from more than 8-10 months and have completely automated the process with FaceDominator, except that I have load the posts and check for blocked links. Since I started I have lost only 3 accounts at the initial stage.


    I've done some facebook marketing but right now i want to start doing some automation - looking to get 100 accounts or so (will start with 20 tho). I'll be using massplanner or face dominator - will try them both.

    My questions :

    1) if i won't be spamming - let's say with 100 account i'll be posting 100 posts per day (so 1 post per account per day) will i need proxies?
    - Though, many of FaceDominator users have told that they haven't had any issue running 2-3 accounts per proxy, I haven't tried that and will recommend people to use 1:1 ratio.
    2) if i'll be spamming (sort of) - 30 posts per day per account - will i need a separate proxy for each account or something like 1 proxy for 2 or 4 accounts will be ok?
    - Same as above, hope you already got the answer for this question as well.
    3) do i need special proxies (i'll be using private ones, but i know there are proxies for twitter, for craigslist, etc) - are there special proxies for facebook?
    - Some people provide restricted proxies, but the problem is sometimes your own site doesn't load on those proxies, this would recommend you with full fledged dedicated proxies. There are many out there on BHW, who sell affordable ones. Including, PVADomination.
    4) if proxies are really important - i'm buying them monthly - at the end of the month, i usually get different proxies - if i switch the proxy associated to an account once per month, will that be a problem (proxies are usually from different countries) ?
    - Majority of the proxies sold here are US proxies and if you ask the provider and renew your proxies, it won't be changed unless you ask for, some change immediately and some at the end of the month, so that's shouldn't be a problem. If you you a proxy for an account, always stick to it for your accounts' safety. Changing doesn't usually create any issues, but sometimes may ask for verification. You can't predict FB algo on this, just like Big G's.
    5) what's more important - not spamming or getting a separate proxy per account - in order to keep the accounts safe?
    - Both are important, if you have read BTB's thread, you will learn a lot on this. Why do you think, I still have my 73 accounts are still alive.
    1. I don't spam
    2. I have dedicated a proxy for each account without changing.

    6) can i use 10-20 accounts without proxies (if i'm not spamming) ?
    - Again, there is no way you can use so many accounts without proxies. In fact, sometimes even the dedicated proxies get blacklisted, so your should choose your provider carefully.

    Any other tips on how to use bulk accounts and keep them safe are appreciated.

    Using verging proxies, warming them up, not spamming, updating regularly will keep your accounts safe.