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app_pilot said:

what do you mean by working configration can you let me know more.

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Stay open to other possibilities.

Something might work, but there are always better options.

What you proposed is limited.

On blackhatworld it's all about making as much money as we can effortlessly. The effort is planning / testing. Work can be automated / outsourced.

it seems like your answer is auto genrated man I am asking something else lol

app_pilot said:

You should be using 25-30 accounts per device with app cloner.

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wouldn't they detected cause phone have MEI number or something like this i don't remember

tobi__sb said:

wouldn't they detected cause phone have MEI number or something like this i don't remember

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Why do this if desktop accounts can be made.

Their app is crap and it does more than people think.

I would only stick to desktop and gmail based accounts.

Otherwise, what's the point of playing the black hat game if you're limited to 30 accounts a day or 200 a day. It's nothing.

It's what I did in my first 3 months. Then I stopped as I had too much money for my age back then.

tobi__sb said:

wouldn't they detected cause phone have MEI number or something like this i don't remember

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can be spoof

OccultKingdoms said:

Why do this if desktop accounts can be made.

Their app is crap and it does more than people think.

I would only stick to desktop and gmail based accounts.

Otherwise, what's the point of playing the black hat game if you're limited to 30 accounts a day or 200 a day. It's nothing.

It's what I did in my first 3 months. Then I stopped as I had too much money for my age back then.

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desktop can get block thats why

No, it cannot be spoofed. If you want to believe app cloner is working at all, it's like believing the earth is flat.

Desktop is power and it crushes mobile toys any day.

Blocks are easy to skip. Simply buy TikTok ads. No problem. No accs needed.

OccultKingdoms said:

No, it cannot be spoofed. If you want to believe app cloner is working at all, it's like believing the earth is flat.

Desktop is power and it crushes mobile toys any day.

Blocks are easy to skip. Simply buy TikTok ads. No problem. No accs needed.

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yes but tt ads are expensive and we are talking about BH here tt ads are WH.
I am not mentioning app clonner here , there are a lots of other resources to achive that.
cheap sim data
one time mobile

app_pilot said:

yes but tt ads are expensive and we are talking about BH here tt ads are WH.
I am not mentioning app clonner here , there are a lots of other resources to achive that.
cheap sim data
one time mobile

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Tiktok ads is for sure cheaper than tiktok accounts.

app_pilot said:

can be spoof

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No, the IMEI, the MAC addresses, the real hardware IDs etc. of physical Android devices can't be spoofed without leaving footprints.

All attempts to achieve this can be detected by app owners with a few lines of code only. And this will lead to shadowbans, accounts bans and even device blacklistings.

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OccultKingdoms said:

Why do this if desktop accounts can be made.

Their app is crap and it does more than people think.

I would only stick to desktop and gmail based accounts.

Otherwise, what's the point of playing the black hat game if you're limited to 30 accounts a day or 200 a day. It's nothing.

It's what I did in my first 3 months. Then I stopped as I had too much money for my age back then.

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Point is we have different goal.

My goal isn't to create 100k account that will be shadow ban and detect after few week or month, but create long-term 100% legit account that i can grow for month and years

If i have to invest 500$ per month for 15 new phone every month, i will do it, and that will be profitable in 1 years maybe.

And i already tryied pretty everythings with desktop, finger print spoofing, Appium, custom emulator etc, at end always detected.

Just at start, tiktok put you in " suspecious " if you use a desktop, and emulator always detected

These guys are chiness and invest millions for we ain't do that, not that easy like facebook or other.

ReverseEngineering said:

No, the IMEI, the MAC addresses, the real hardware IDs etc. of physical Android devices can't be spoofed without leaving footprints.

All attempts to achieve this can be detected by app owners with a few lines of code only. And this will lead to shadowbans, accounts bans and even device blacklistings.

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What about spoofing iOS params without footprints? Is it possible?

andMass said:

What about spoofing iOS params without footprints? Is it possible?

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Maybe at dumb apps (I would have almost said "Truth Social" haha) for a limited time by using jailbreaks/tweaks and keep them patched.

But sooner or later they will detect everything, like Tinder starting in July/early August. And it's also possible that they kill your aged accounts you created weeks/months ago, because you left patterns. You can read hundreds of complaints at BHW about the Tinder jailbreak issue.

Real talk, you can either:

a) Modify iOS (e. g. with jailbreaks and tweaks) ... don't do it.

b) Modify the detection at the iOS app itself (Assembler knowledge required, tools like Ghidra/IDA Pro etc. required, burns a lot of time).

c) Rebuild everything related device <-> app server communication, and of course device detection, so you won't need physical devices anymore. Since our team did it with Snapchat, Tinder and other custom (not to be disclosed) apps. Pure HTTP/2.0 requests, nothing else.

tobi__sb said:

And i already tryied pretty everythings with desktop, finger print spoofing, Appium, custom emulator etc, at end always detected.

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You did everything wrong, so now you know what not to do.

All you need to do is simplify this process. Remove all that nonsense that a student algorithm can detect and use what a normal person would do.

I made an account on TikTok using a free VPN + gmail account and it works the same way as an account made using a mobile proxy.

Experiment and do notes about results. Test 1 thing at a time. Always work on default chrome browser on Windows (most popular browser in the world) or MacOs. You can do iPhones, but I can't see any advantage of that.

If you listen to other people about what works and what doesn't, that's an error.

tobi__sb said:

Point is we have different goal.

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Doubt it. Both you and I want to get financial freedom. The only thing that matters is how we can make it easier.

I found the easiest way is to use paid ads, search and simply be patient. If something fails, re-test some things and once views / purchases come, repeat to the limit.

My goal here is not to "crack the algorithm" or something. For that I can just do a simple ideation but breaking it from technical side isn't the source of money. The money comes from orders of customers.

I am not working as a hacker / reverse engineer. I only care about long term business. If I don't get it to run long term, it's pointless for me.

tobi__sb said:

These guys are chiness and invest millions for we ain't do that, not that easy like facebook or other.

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Facebook is harder to use than TikTok.
You don't get anything instant on facebook. It requires as much patience as a good SEO campaign.

They don't invest jackshit to battle spammers.

In fact they made an app called "CapCut" and "TikTok".
And CapCut lets a person cheat on TikTok skipping captcha etc.

The company is called "ByteDance".

All they're doing is they're collecting massive amount of data and selling to advertisers.

You're doing something odd on their platform hence they see you as suspicious.
For example, if you include certain keywords in your content, titles, descriptions, you get takedowns.

Reasons of failure are completely elsewhere than in "mobile phones". It's all about you trying to act as a spammer instead of running a normal campaign.

tobi__sb said:

If i have to invest 500$ per month for 15 new phone every month, i will do it, and that will be profitable in 1 years maybe.

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This is NOT business. This is testing.
If you get stuck in testing phase, that's not a good sign.

So far tests have shown mobile automation is not doing well for you.

You chose a very difficult angle that requires 10+ skills.

You're doing these hard things:
- marketing,
- automation,
- black hat,
- understanding how networks / anti-spam systems work,
- growing accounts,
- content creation.

An easier thing to do would be to do everything manually.

First learn how to create content that gets views.
Use only one account.
Once you are able to grow one account manually, add another.

Don't use proxies from marketplaces - this is very important as they're spammed to death.
Instead try VPNs, your own local phone based proxy or do nothing about it.

I personally do nothing about it and run 10+ accounts on one IP.
I only add proxies to not get a mass ban when I run 100+ accounts a day.

Set some strict rules at work, so you can see why your setup fails.

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15 new phones should give about $150 a day, so you should turn profitable in 4 days.
You speak about 1 year.

That's not a good sign.
Earn money manually. Get rid of those "automated dreams". It's not easy.
Post good content manually and learn to sell. Then you can start dreaming harder.

Nice bro @OccultKingdoms this is the mindset . It should be all about the money and the money is in the numbers. Truth is most people will get bored and quit running things the normal way using few accounts for months before seeing anything

ReverseEngineering said:

Maybe at dumb apps (I would have almost said "Truth Social" haha) for a limited time by using jailbreaks/tweaks and keep them patched.

But sooner or later they will detect everything, like Tinder starting in July/early August. And it's also possible that they kill your aged accounts you created weeks/months ago, because you left patterns. You can read hundreds of complaints at BHW about the Tinder jailbreak issue.

Real talk, you can either:

a) Modify iOS (e. g. with jailbreaks and tweaks) ... don't do it.

b) Modify the detection at the iOS app itself (Assembler knowledge required, tools like Ghidra/IDA Pro etc. required, burns a lot of time).

c) Rebuild everything related device <-> app server communication, and of course device detection, so you won't need physical devices anymore. Since our team did it with Snapchat, Tinder and other custom (not to be disclosed) apps. Pure HTTP/2.0 requests, nothing else.

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You simply cannot fool an app with only HTTP/2.0 requests and you know that There are some metrics that your real device is sending to the app